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Re: where do refugees get money from for boat trip ?
Reply #75 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:39am

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:32am:

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:59am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:53am:

No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners
As has been proven about six times on this thread alone, they are not. Roll Eyes

How should I read this then?

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A September 2007 media release from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) notes:
The Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) has refuted false claims circulating on the internet that refugees settling in Australia receive more in benefit payments than Australian pensioners.

'The figures quoted in the email bear no resemblance to income-support payments to pensioners, or to payments to refugees settling in Australia,' DIAC spokesman Sandi Logan said today.

'The text and figures in the email appear to have originated in Canadian emails, websites and internet chatrooms. We suspect that the email circulating here has been cut and pasted from these sources.

'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents.
'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents.

'There is no separate rate of benefit payments for refugees.'

Mr Logan said refugees received no cash payments under Australia’s Integrated Humanitarian Settlement Strategy.

Well if they gain resident status why wouldn't they be entitled to the same payments?? they're bloody residents.That has nothing to do with them whilst held in detention.

You've changed your position again.

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Re: where do refugees get money from for boat trip ?
Reply #79 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:46am

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:39am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:32am:

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:59am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:53am:

No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners
As has been proven about six times on this thread alone, they are not. Roll Eyes

How should I read this then?

Quote:

A September 2007 media release from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) notes:
The Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) has refuted false claims circulating on the internet that refugees settling in Australia receive more in benefit payments than Australian pensioners.

'The figures quoted in the email bear no resemblance to income-support payments to pensioners, or to payments to refugees settling in Australia,' DIAC spokesman Sandi Logan said today.

'The text and figures in the email appear to have originated in Canadian emails, websites and internet chatrooms. We suspect that the email circulating here has been cut and pasted from these sources.

'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents.
'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents.

'There is no separate rate of benefit payments for refugees.'

Mr Logan said refugees received no cash payments under Australia’s Integrated Humanitarian Settlement Strategy.

Well if they gain resident status why wouldn't they be entitled to the same payments?? they're bloody residents.That has nothing to do with them whilst held in detention.

You've changed your position again.

No he hasn't wesley, you're just to dull to understand it.

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'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents.

If they have a permanent visa then they have been accepted as refugees. They're not being held in detention centres, they are in the community and able to apply for the same benefits as anyone else. THEY ALSO HAVE TO PASS THE SAME RESTRICTIONS.

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'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents.

Refugees on TPVs have also been released from detention. The TPV system was scrapped and people still under them don't get full benefits - as stated in the article.

It's all right there in the statement you quoted. Next time you want The Truth, just ask. I'm happy to oblige.

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Re: where do refugees get money from for boat trip ?
Reply #80 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:48am

Gist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:46am:

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:39am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:32am:

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:59am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:53am:

No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners
As has been proven about six times on this thread alone, they are not. Roll Eyes

How should I read this then?

Quote:

A September 2007 media release from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) notes:
The Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) has refuted false claims circulating on the internet that refugees settling in Australia receive more in benefit payments than Australian pensioners.

'The figures quoted in the email bear no resemblance to income-support payments to pensioners, or to payments to refugees settling in Australia,' DIAC spokesman Sandi Logan said today.

'The text and figures in the email appear to have originated in Canadian emails, websites and internet chatrooms. We suspect that the email circulating here has been cut and pasted from these sources.

'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents.
'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents.

'There is no separate rate of benefit payments for refugees.'

Mr Logan said refugees received no cash payments under Australia’s Integrated Humanitarian Settlement Strategy.

Well if they gain resident status why wouldn't they be entitled to the same payments?? they're bloody residents.That has nothing to do with them whilst held in detention.

You've changed your position again.

No he hasn't wesley, you're just to dull to understand it.

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'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents.

If they have a permanent visa then they have been accepted as refugees. They're not being held in detention centres, they are in the community and able to apply for the same benefits as anyone else. THEY ALSO HAVE TO PASS THE SAME RESTRICTIONS.

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'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents.

Refugees on TPVs have also been released from detention. The TPV system was scrapped and people still under them don't get full benefits - as stated in the article.

It's all right there in the statement you quoted. Next time you want The Truth, just ask. I'm happy to oblige.

and you've just moved the goal posts too.

It's getting to the point where I may have to conduct a class on how to read and comprehend what is actually written, and not add your own little embellishments out of convenience.

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Re: where do refugees get money from for boat trip ?
Reply #81 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:48am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:44am:

Gist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:40am:

chookface, wesley_no_truth, it'd be great if you engaged your brain before posting. You're just making yourselves look like total dills. Again.

And once again you've posted without actaully saying anything.

Learned it from you cap'n.

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Re: where do refugees get money from for boat trip ?
Reply #82 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:50am

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:48am:

and you've just moved the goal posts too.

It's getting to the point where I may have to conduct a class on how to read and comprehend what is actually written, and not add your own little embellishments out of convenience.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:44am:

And once again you've posted without actually saying anything.

There. You can talk to each other.

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Reply #83 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:55am

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'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents.

If they have a permanent visa then they have been accepted as refugees. They're not being held in detention centres, they are in the community and able to apply for the same benefits as anyone else. THEY ALSO HAVE TO PASS THE SAME RESTRICTIONS.

I've never said anything about it being limited to people in detention. Do people stop being refugees when they are released from detention? I'll kindly ask you again to not add your own conditions to my statements.

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'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents.

Refugees on TPVs have also been released from detention. The TPV system was scrapped and people still under them don't get full benefits - as stated in the article.

Wrong.

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About 1000 refugees currently in Australia on TPVs will now have their status resolved and will be afforded the same benefits and entitlements as holders of a Permanent Protection visa.

http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/media-releases/2008/ce05-buget-08.htm

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Reply #84 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:56am

Yes, my friends, we refugees are very cunning peoples.

Like Colonel Hogan and his heroes, we dress up in false mustache and monocle, sneak out of detention centre through false stove, and go to Centrelink office every two weeks to put in form.

We tell Centrelink lady to send money to:

Madame Karah
14480 Karl Marx Avenue
Kabul, Afghanistan, 23401.

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Re: where do refugees get money from for boat trip ?
Reply #85 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:57am

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:39am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:32am:

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:59am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:53am:

No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners
As has been proven about six times on this thread alone, they are not. Roll Eyes

How should I read this then?

Quote:

A September 2007 media release from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) notes:
The Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) has refuted false claims circulating on the internet that refugees settling in Australia receive more in benefit payments than Australian pensioners.

'The figures quoted in the email bear no resemblance to income-support payments to pensioners, or to payments to refugees settling in Australia,' DIAC spokesman Sandi Logan said today.

'The text and figures in the email appear to have originated in Canadian emails, websites and internet chatrooms. We suspect that the email circulating here has been cut and pasted from these sources.

'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents.
'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents.

'There is no separate rate of benefit payments for refugees.'

Mr Logan said refugees received no cash payments under Australia’s Integrated Humanitarian Settlement Strategy.

Well if they gain resident status why wouldn't they be entitled to the same payments?? they're bloody residents.That has nothing to do with them whilst held in detention.

You've changed your position again.

Oh really,how so?
maybe when you read this thread for THE FIRST TIME you'll get it through your head mellie started it claiming refugees get paid as much as pensioners while being held in detention. Here's a little tip,Einstein,people granted RESIDENT STATUS are not held in detention.

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Reply #86 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:01pm

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:57am:

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:39am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:32am:

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:59am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:53am:

No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners
As has been proven about six times on this thread alone, they are not. Roll Eyes

How should I read this then?

Quote:

A September 2007 media release from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) notes:
The Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) has refuted false claims circulating on the internet that refugees settling in Australia receive more in benefit payments than Australian pensioners.

'The figures quoted in the email bear no resemblance to income-support payments to pensioners, or to payments to refugees settling in Australia,' DIAC spokesman Sandi Logan said today.

'The text and figures in the email appear to have originated in Canadian emails, websites and internet chatrooms. We suspect that the email circulating here has been cut and pasted from these sources.

'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents.
'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents.

'There is no separate rate of benefit payments for refugees.'

Mr Logan said refugees received no cash payments under Australia’s Integrated Humanitarian Settlement Strategy.

Well if they gain resident status why wouldn't they be entitled to the same payments?? they're bloody residents.That has nothing to do with them whilst held in detention.

You've changed your position again.

Oh really,how so?
maybe when you read this thread for THE FIRST TIME you'll get it through your head mellie started it claiming refugees get paid as much as pensioners while being held in detention. Here's a little tip,Einstein,people granted RESIDENT STATUS are not held in detention.

How so? Well first it was "no they don't get more" but now it's become "ok so they do get more - so what?"

I don't care what "mellie" said. Are you not arguing with MY statements? Go and read what I have said, and then come back to me.

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Re: where do refugees get money from for boat trip ?
Reply #87 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:06pm

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

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'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents.

If they have a permanent visa then they have been accepted as refugees. They're not being held in detention centres, they are in the community and able to apply for the same benefits as anyone else. THEY ALSO HAVE TO PASS THE SAME RESTRICTIONS.

I've never said anything about it being limited to people in detention. Do people stop being refugees when they are released from detention? I'll kindly ask you again to not add your own conditions to my statements.

Skippy beat me to it. Read the thread. WE were discussing people being held in detention. If YOU want to go off on your own tangent then spell it out or start your own thread.

Now, where's your proof? Or shall I start calling you The_Lies?

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

Quote:

'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents.

Refugees on TPVs have also been released from detention. The TPV system was scrapped and people still under them don't get full benefits - as stated in the article.

Wrong.

Quote:

About 1000 refugees currently in Australia on TPVs will now have their status resolved and will be afforded the same benefits and entitlements as holders of a Permanent Protection visa.

http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/media-releases/2008/ce05-buget-08.htm

No I'm not. The people on TPVs can apply to go on PPVs. If accepted (as those mentioned in the quote have been) then they go on to PPVs and get the same treatment as anyone else on a PPV. As your quotes explain.

Your point is...???

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Reply #88 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:13pm

Gist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:06pm:

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

Quote:

'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents.

If they have a permanent visa then they have been accepted as refugees. They're not being held in detention centres, they are in the community and able to apply for the same benefits as anyone else. THEY ALSO HAVE TO PASS THE SAME RESTRICTIONS.

I've never said anything about it being limited to people in detention. Do people stop being refugees when they are released from detention? I'll kindly ask you again to not add your own conditions to my statements.

Skippy beat me to it. Read the thread. WE were discussing people being held in detention. If YOU want to go off on your own tangent then spell it out or start your own thread.

Now, where's your proof? Or shall I start calling you The_Lies?

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

Quote:

'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents.

Refugees on TPVs have also been released from detention. The TPV system was scrapped and people still under them don't get full benefits - as stated in the article.

Wrong.

Quote:

About 1000 refugees currently in Australia on TPVs will now have their status resolved and will be afforded the same benefits and entitlements as holders of a Permanent Protection visa.

http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/media-releases/2008/ce05-buget-08.htm

No I'm not. The people on TPVs can apply to go on PPVs. If accepted (as those mentioned in the quote have been) then they go on to PPVs and get the same treatment as anyone else on a PPV. As your quotes explain.

Your point is...???

Well, I'm afraid you are wrong.

From the very same link provided:

Quote:

‘Provided they meet security and character requirements, they will be granted permanent residency in Australia and will not need to have their protection claims reassessed,’ Senator Evans said.

And my point? There is no point - just truth.

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Re: where do refugees get money from for boat trip ?
Reply #89 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:16pm

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:01pm:

How so? Well first it was "no they don't get more" but now it's become "ok so they do get more - so what?"

I don't care what "mellie" said. Are you not arguing with MY statements? Go and read what I have said, and then come back to me.

Let's be very specific. YOUR burden of proof is to show that refugees on PPVs once released into the community are provided free food, shelter and medical treatment by the government IN ADDITION TO centrelink benefits.

That's your claim seeing as you weren't talking about people in detention. I want to see your proof.

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