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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: Cannabis, it's time to have the debate Reply #60 - Nov 20^th, 2011 at 8:27pm We don't have Crack in Australia. Cocaine is way too expensive to make brewing up a batch of Crack a profitable pursuit.
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Re: Cannabis, it's time to have the debate
Reply #61 - Nov 20^th, 2011 at 8:27pm

MissFixItOrElse wrote on Nov 20^th, 2011 at 5:16pm:

qikvtec wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 9:48pm:

Lists of conditions known to be treated effectively with a harmless plant

Glaucoma
Period Pain
Anorexia
Cancer - if not directly related to tumour death, return of appetite, analgesia and deep restorative sleep.
Anxiety
Depression
General and severe pain
Epilepsy
MS
Parkinsons

The cost of policing this harmless yet incredibly valuable plant is enormous and could easily be better directed to studying the positive medical impacts, completely ignoring the obvious commercial benefits of fibre, oil and seeds.

Obviously you're not aware of the fact that there are similar legalised drugs currently manufactured and distributed by multinational corporations. Such drugs have similar properties and effects (in terms of molecular structure and pain relief) as cannabis.

And therein lies one of the main reasons for pot being illegal.

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Reply #62 - Nov 20^th, 2011 at 8:29pm

cods wrote on Nov 20^th, 2011 at 10:53am:

Amadd wrote on Nov 20^th, 2011 at 1:01am:

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The only problem with pot is that some people will inevitably abuse it -
in the same way that one person can have just a small glass of wine with their
dinner & others become alcoholics & ruin their lives.

I don't really think that you have any perspective there at all bobby.

Pot is not like that. It's very hard to abuse it. Most likely you will fall asleep well before you get any chance to abuse it. And abuse is rarely possible under any circumstance.

It's not an addictive drug, get it?ie: your body will not crave that particular chemical as it does for caffeine and other Mc. Substances.

then WHY is it illegal??

you guys all claim it is sooo innocent... so why is it ILLEGAL???

Ask yourself the question Cods, why IS the most versatile resource on the planet illegal?

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qikvtec Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1846 Queensland	Re: Cannabis, it's time to have the debate Reply #63 - Nov 20^th, 2011 at 8:30pm Life_goes_on wrote on Nov 20^th, 2011 at 8:27pm: We don't have Crack in Australia. Cocaine is way too expensive to make brewing up a batch of Crack a profitable pursuit. Quite right, a figure of speech.
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Reply #64 - Nov 20^th, 2011 at 8:36pm

skippy. wrote on Nov 19^th, 2011 at 2:56pm:

qikvtec wrote on Nov 18^th, 2011 at 6:10pm:

cods wrote on Nov 18^th, 2011 at 5:51pm:

qikvtec wrote on Nov 18^th, 2011 at 1:17pm:

... wrote on Nov 18^th, 2011 at 11:52am:

Oh I agree, I don't think it should be illegal. The only concern I have is that should it be legalised, the government will no doubt want a hefty slice of revenue, much like they do with cigarettes.
This doesn't bode well for anyone having the gall to grow their own - what attracts a minor penalty under prohibition will be termed 'tax evasion' and attract a much stiffer penalty. Go figure.

As a legal product I think it should probably be treated in the same way as alcohol would be taxed, nil tax for non commercial quantities, licensed and regulated production and distribution systems for the commercial operators.

wasnt it Amsterdam that had all those cafes where smoking was legal, very cool and advanced.. I read somewhere where they are shutting down..and only a few left for the local pot heads..

I am sure you enjoy what you do gik and hopefully is doesnt have any bad effects on your health..but my grandson comes from an addictive family..he is now 15... he has a cousin in jail for a hold up in relation to drug addiction.his greatgrandfather died of alcolism. his grandfather is an alcoholic.. his uncle that lives with his nan and grandfather is an alcoholic.
I am terrified that he will be one of those addicted from day one...to anything thats addictive..

words from his cousin.. whos doin g time... was he started off on pot.and from there it went steadily downhill..

you dont seem to think this can lead to more devastating things..

when you talk like this I shake my head as I see the problems we have now with grog and pokermachines...everyone trying to undo whats been done..and you think legalising this is a good thing..

treating another problem like we do alcohol!!!!!... ask the Salvation Army about alcohol abd what it is doing to society.

I have already had the abuse screamed t me claiming I know nothing about this...but I have eyes and I see a young man in jail for 5 years all thanks to drugs and his "mates" that got him sucked in again.

Cannabis is not addictive, it has no physically addictive properties.

I don't consume cannabis for recreational purposes, I use it for pain management, usually less than .5g per day (which is bugger all). The fact is, the illegal nature of the plant prevents me from consuming any other way; the cost would be prohibitive.

Cannabis is often known as a gateway drug, but in most cases the gateway is Tobacco or Alcohol.

Alcohol is by far a bigger problem than all other illegal drugs combined, tobacco bigger again, in fact I'd be surprised if Coffee didn't cause more issues than Cannabis.

I'm assuming you smoke it?
if you do and you want to limit health problems and reduce the amount you use try a vaporizer,you will cut your usage down dramatically without the effects that combustion bring.
As for cods points
1 -pot is NOT addictive, but if you mix tobacco with it you will become addicted to the tobacco.
2 can using pot be a stepping stone to other drugs?
that's like saying smoking cigarettes will make you an alcoholic, pot itself does not cause anyone to get involved in other drugs, BUT what happens often is people that use pot score it off people that also deal other drugs, when their dealer is out of pot they may be offered speed, acid or coke for instance, so NO pot does not lead to the consumption of other drugs, but keeping pot illegal DOES,as it often introduces the pot user to other drugs for no reason other than pot is not available.

The tight arse in me won't shell out for a vape Skip. I smoked cigarettes for 15 years, +/- 30/day, so a few pipes each day whilst probably not great pales in comparison.

1. Quite right on that point.
2. A symptom of prohibition; if it were legal you could grow your own and wouldn't need to associate with the types who would have the harder more addictive drugs available.

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3. No straight man ever performed degrading sexual acts on a dealer for pot, I'm sure you couldn't say the same thing for meth or smack.

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Reply #65 - Nov 20^th, 2011 at 8:39pm

I wish people wouldn't use the medical aspect of pot as a reason to legalise it.

There's plenty of genuine pharmacuticals that do the job just as well and for cheaper.

Let's just be honest and say it's the buzz it gives that we like.

On the scale of things that give you a buzz, it's less harmful than both Alcohol and cigarettes and gives a far more pleasurable experience with far less adverse effects. When compared with the other substances out there that you can obtain (if you're keen enough) it rates as just a bit of fluff on the scale of pleasurable experiences.

It may be illegal - but it's so easy to obtain and with so few downsides that whinging about its legal status is pretty well pointless. The worst thing about its illegality is that people who in all other respects are straight up citizens can find themselves being processed through our legal system - which is somewhere that they definitely don't deserve to be.

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Reply #66 - Nov 20^th, 2011 at 8:47pm

My son was 6 years old when he was prescribed a drug for which a rare listed side effect is SUDDEN DEATH - but the pharmacist kindly placed stickers on the box warning of the more common side effects related to drowsiness, coordination and driving!

Many of us would currently have in our possession one or more drugs with that grave side effect listed on the insert!

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Reply #67 - Nov 20^th, 2011 at 8:55pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Nov 20^th, 2011 at 8:39pm:

I wish people wouldn't use the medical aspect of pot as a reason to legalise it.

There's plenty of genuine pharmacuticals that do the job just as well and for cheaper.

Let's just be honest and say it's the buzz it gives that we like.

On the scale of things that give you a buzz, it's less harmful than both Alcohol and cigarettes and gives a far more pleasurable experience with far less adverse effects. When compared with the other substances out there that you can obtain (if you're keen enough) it rates as just a bit of fluff on the scale of pleasurable experiences.

It may be illegal - but it's so easy to obtain and with so few downsides that whinging about its legal status is pretty well pointless. The worst thing about its illegality is that people who in all other respects are straight up citizens can find themselves being processed through our legal system - which is somewhere that they definitely don't deserve to be.

Genuine pharmaceutical analgesics for acute pain; hmmm options are limited, side effects not great, and almost guaranteed addictive with an ever increasing dose.

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Reply #68 - Nov 20^th, 2011 at 9:03pm

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Genuine pharmaceutical analgesics for acute pain; hmmm options are limited, side effects not great, and almost guaranteed addictive with an ever increasing dose.

I kind of agree if we're talking opiates. A lot of people have a problem with those because of their addictive properties and the stigma that's attached to opiate use..
But hell, if you've got chronic pain then there's nothing wrong with being an addict. The side effects can be managed and you do eventually reach a plateau in regards to the dose.

It's far more effective than resorting to smoking pot - unless of course you just like the stoned feeling - but then you may as well use opiates to control the pain and just smoke pot recreationally.

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Reply #69 - Nov 20^th, 2011 at 9:13pm

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3. No straight man ever performed degrading sexual acts on a dealer for pot, I'm sure you couldn't say the same thing for meth or smack.

I doubt many would for meth. Smack yes - meth no. You never really hang out for meth like you do for smack. The worst it ever gets with meth is that using again just seems like a really good idea - not an extreme necessity like with smack.

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Reply #70 - Nov 21^st, 2011 at 8:19pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Nov 20^th, 2011 at 9:13pm:

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3. No straight man ever performed degrading sexual acts on a dealer for pot, I'm sure you couldn't say the same thing for meth or smack.

I doubt many would for meth. Smack yes - meth no. You never really hang out for meth like you do for smack. The worst it ever gets with meth is that using again just seems like a really good idea - not an extreme necessity like with smack.

I've never booted anything, have had the occasional line and pipe though and would tend to agree. Don't think I could manage smack myself, if it's that addictive I may not be able to help myself.

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Reply #71 - Nov 21^st, 2011 at 8:45pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Nov 20^th, 2011 at 9:03pm:

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Genuine pharmaceutical analgesics for acute pain; hmmm options are limited, side effects not great, and almost guaranteed addictive with an ever increasing dose.

I kind of agree if we're talking opiates. A lot of people have a problem with those because of their addictive properties and the stigma that's attached to opiate use..
But hell, if you've got chronic pain then there's nothing wrong with being an addict. The side effects can be managed and you do eventually reach a plateau in regards to the dose.

It's far more effective than resorting to smoking pot - unless of course you just like the stoned feeling - but then you may as well use opiates to control the pain and just smoke pot recreationally.

Posterior fusion C3/C4, morphine and pethidine was used initially post op which was a bitch to come down from, codeine as a follow up, I could take 10 30mg Fortes and go to work. Long term use of that is not great for anything below the oesophagus.

I never actually liked the buzz of sativa's and much prefer the lower thc and higher CBD, CBN content of a potent indica. The problem is if I were caught growing it, my career is over, so am forced to take my chances with whatever's available wherever it's available.

If it were legalised those that want to smoke it for sh!ts and giggles could, and those who wish to use it medicinally can.

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Reply #73 - Nov 21^st, 2011 at 8:58pm

qikvtec wrote on Nov 21^st, 2011 at 8:19pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Nov 20^th, 2011 at 9:13pm:

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3. No straight man ever performed degrading sexual acts on a dealer for pot, I'm sure you couldn't say the same thing for meth or smack.

I doubt many would for meth. Smack yes - meth no. You never really hang out for meth like you do for smack. The worst it ever gets with meth is that using again just seems like a really good idea - not an extreme necessity like with smack.

I've never booted anything, have had the occasional line and pipe though and would tend to agree. Don't think I could manage smack myself, if it's that addictive I may not be able to help myself.

Smacks addictive - the most addictive by a long margin with what I've tried but you still need a couple of weeks of daily use to really get addicted. Not that that's hard to fall into that cycle - it is nice - nice beyond what someone who hasn't tried it could believe.

I've never booted it - only smoked it - but I have booted meth. Meth just gets old quickly - you want it, but you never really crave it,

Based on what you've said, I'd gp see an addiction specialist and see what they prescribe for pain management. Unless you're based in Qld - then your options are extremely limited and getting anything seriously strong is going to result in daily reporting for a dose which is neither a good look or often able to fit in with a career.

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Reply #74 - Nov 21^st, 2011 at 9:11pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Nov 21^st, 2011 at 8:58pm:

qikvtec wrote on Nov 21^st, 2011 at 8:19pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Nov 20^th, 2011 at 9:13pm:

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3. No straight man ever performed degrading sexual acts on a dealer for pot, I'm sure you couldn't say the same thing for meth or smack.

I doubt many would for meth. Smack yes - meth no. You never really hang out for meth like you do for smack. The worst it ever gets with meth is that using again just seems like a really good idea - not an extreme necessity like with smack.

I've never booted anything, have had the occasional line and pipe though and would tend to agree. Don't think I could manage smack myself, if it's that addictive I may not be able to help myself.

Smacks addictive - the most addictive by a long margin with what I've tried but you still need a couple of weeks of daily use to really get addicted. Not that that's hard to fall into that cycle - it is nice - nice beyond what someone who hasn't tried it could believe.

I've never booted it - only smoked it - but I have booted meth. Meth just gets old quickly - you want it, but you never really crave it,

Based on what you've said, I'd gp see an addiction specialist and see what they prescribe for pain management. Unless you're based in Qld - then your options are extremely limited and getting anything seriously strong is going to result in daily reporting for a dose which is neither a good look or often able to fit in with a career.

Based in QLD; The original police state.

I don't really mind having a couple of cones every night, 3 or 4 usually, no nic. If it were legal I would just grow 2 or 4 plants and use a solvent extraction to keep myself in a regular supply of the good oil.

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