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Reply #90 - Nov 25^th, 2011 at 11:37pm

Well said. I am still working my way thru the posts. Good to hear some positive input. I have no doubt as to the plant's efficacy in dealing with pain- it beats the hell out of paracetamol or opiate derivatives for its relatively harmless side-effects.

[quote Cannabis is not addictive, it has no physically addictive properties.

I don't consume cannabis for recreational purposes, I use it for pain management, usually less than .5g per day (which is bugger all). The fact is, the illegal nature of the plant prevents me from consuming any other way; the cost would be prohibitive.

Cannabis is often known as a gateway drug, but in most cases the gateway is Tobacco or Alcohol.

Alcohol is by far a bigger problem than all other illegal drugs combined, tobacco bigger again, in fact I'd be surprised if Coffee didn't cause more issues than Cannabis.

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I'm assuming you smoke it?
if you do and you want to limit health problems and reduce the amount you use try a vaporizer,you will cut your usage down dramatically without the effects that combustion bring.
As for cods points
1 -pot is NOT addictive, but if you mix tobacco with it you will become addicted to the tobacco.
2 can using pot be a stepping stone to other drugs?
that's like saying smoking cigarettes will make you an alcoholic, pot itself does not cause anyone to get involved in other drugs, BUT what happens often is people that use pot score it off people that also deal other drugs, when their dealer is out of pot they may be offered speed, acid or coke for instance, so NO pot does not lead to the consumption of other drugs, but keeping pot illegal DOES,as it often introduces the pot user to other drugs for no reason other than pot is not available. [/quote]

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Reply #91 - Nov 25^th, 2011 at 11:56pm

skippy. wrote on Nov 20^th, 2011 at 2:25pm:

Its not illegal because its addictive,what a stupid statement, if that were the case tobacco and alcohol would be illegal. Pot is illegal because of a beat up by pharmaceutical companies in the 1940s.I wish people at least attempted to find something out about a subject before they wrote crap on it.

So true Skip.
But logic - or action for the betterment of humankind ,is trumped EVERY TIME by Money, Greed and Contempt for your fellows.

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Reply #92 - Nov 26^th, 2011 at 12:02am

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"Marijuana and Its Receptor Protein in Brain Control Epilepsy." Sep. 30, 2003: "Individuals both here and abroad report that marijuana has been therapeutic for them in the treatment of a variety of ailments, including epilepsy. But the psychoactive side effects of marijuana make its use impractical in the treatment of epilepsy. If we can understand how marijuana works to end seizures, we may be able to develop novel drugs that might do a better job of treating epileptic seizures

- Courtesy of Muso

Here we see the scientific community's corporate approach. Angry

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Reply #93 - Nov 26^th, 2011 at 12:17am

'Obviously you're not aware of the fact that there are similar legalised drugs currently manufactured and distributed by multinational corporations. Such drugs have similar properties and effects (in terms of molecular structure and pain relief) as cannabis. '

So ???? what - its better to promote the drug companies and their drugs, ?? ... expensive, with many side-effects, rather than enable those who benefit from Cannabis to grow a few plants?
FO.!!

We all pay much too much to drug companies already. You seem to be stuck in the mindset that if it is legal, it must be OK.!
HOW WRONG are you??
Do you want me to list the legal drugs that kill people - everyday??? ..one way or the other

Because off the top of my head I could start with -

Alcohol
Tobacco
Paracetamol
Prozac
Librium
etc.
etc.
In fact, as has been said so many times before - you can kill yourself by overuse of practically anything..

You all are smart enough to recognise this , aren't you??
Why bastardise Marijuana?

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Reply #94 - Nov 26^th, 2011 at 12:33am

Still we will never progress when the level of debate is contained to the small minded ignorance of mums and dads whose experience and experise on the subject begins and ends with, "Drugs are bad". - Mozzaok

Aye therein lies the rub.
Its about Politics, and most politicians believe if they took up the cudgels and tried to introduce some commonsense into the debate, where it counts, they'll get voted out. Because lets agree here- it's very hard to overcome 60+ yrs of brainwashing,...especially when the discordant voices are those who many baby-boomers/ conservatives consider are somehow sub-human- impaired, unproductive etc. Evidence? Cod's vehement opposition is classic.!

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Reply #95 - Nov 26^th, 2011 at 12:40am

The Effects of Marijuana on the Female:

Just as in Males, marijuana effects the female in the part of the brain that controls the hormones, which determines the sequence in the menstrual cycle. Its been said that females who smoked or used marijuana on a regular basis had irregular menstrual cycles, the female hormones were depressed, and the testosterone level was raised. Even though this effect may be reversible, it may take several months of no marijuana use before the menstrual cycles become normal again.

Where do you get this from Cods. ?

I can , personally, say - what a load of Codswallop. AND that is also the point. What works for one, may not work for another, BUT that is no reason to deny access, on penalty of bastardisation, ostracism, fines, jail ..etc....

Why is it so hard to get through to people??

Oh yeah - already answered that = 60+ yrs of brainwashing BS. Angry

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Reply #96 - Nov 26^th, 2011 at 12:47am

qikvtec wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2011 at 10:07pm:

jame-e wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2011 at 8:39pm:

Totally agree that pot should be decriminalised and properly managed. And in time most of the rest should follow.

But what are all the crooks going to do? and the people that catch them?

Back to the time honoured tradition of gambling, prostitution, racketeering, extortion and waste management; that or run for parliament.

Yeah- spot on.

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Cannabis, it's time to have the debate Reply #97 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 9:49am Cannabis....maybe? as long as it doesn't have this affect. andrei would agree with this person, I'm sure. I'm hoping she's not from your family andrei?
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Cannabis, it's time to have the debate Reply #98 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 3:26pm She sounds JUST like some of the ratbag right in this country. But no, cannabis doesn't usually have that effect. Alcohol, on the other hand.......
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qikvtec Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1846 Queensland	Re: Cannabis, it's time to have the debate Reply #99 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 3:30pm My bet would be a fairly decent helping of Tourettes. I tell you one things for certain though; she's damn lucky she made it off the train alive!
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Cannabis, it's time to have the debate Reply #100 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 3:31pm qikvtec wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 3:30pm: My bet would be a fairly decent helping of Tourettes. Could be, certainly sounds like it......
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Reply #101 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 8:44pm

Now that was an interesting vid. I don't usually check them out but 'tram' caught my attention.

But obviously it's nothing to do with Pot.

Other dynamics play here.. Like mindless hatred.

She used her baby as a 'shield' - and her 'vulnerability' .. to slag off her fellow tram-goers.
For their race, and color?/ whatever -

it sort of shows 'rage' - hers-!! and it's totally inappropriate..and cowardly ... time and place...presence of children etc ..
- not a comfortable vid.

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Cannabis, it's time to have the debate Reply #102 - Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 5:05pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 9:49am: Cannabis....maybe? as long as it doesn't have this affect. andrei would agree with this person, I'm sure. I'm hoping she's not from your family andrei? She's been arrested. I hope they conduct some kind of investigation on her parenting.
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Reply #103 - Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 5:07pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 5:05pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 9:49am:

Cannabis....maybe? as long as it doesn't have this affect.

andrei would agree with this person, I'm sure. I'm hoping she's not from your family andrei?

She's been arrested. I hope they conduct some kind of investigation on her parenting.

20 years 're-education' in the gulag should sort her out.

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Cannabis, it's time to have the debate Reply #104 - Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 5:14pm Nah. Just some community service doing things that will benefit the people she hurt with her filthy mouth. And some parenting classes.
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