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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Islam is the way forward Reply #45 - Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 10:45am Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 10:18am: Happy new year, Abu. I don't know why you bother even replying to these comments. They are not interested in learning, just proving their own misguided points. and you are? Anyone here is?
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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Islam is the way forward Reply #46 - Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 10:57am I've altered my views on quite a lot of things and learnt from what other people have said, yes. These people know absolutely nothing about Islam and for the most part, they're not engaging Abu to learn, they're engaging him to prove him wrong on a subject about which they're ignorant.
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Reply #47 - Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 11:11am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 10:57am:

I've altered my views on quite a lot of things and learnt from what other people have said, yes.

These people know absolutely nothing about Islam and for the most part, they're not engaging Abu to learn, they're engaging him to prove him wrong on a subject about which they're ignorant.

Since when is Abu trying to teach us about Islam? All he does is criticize the West. Unless crapping on the West is a central tenet of Islam?

I challenged him several times a few months ago to a debate on the metaphysics of Islam and he ignored it.

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Islam is the way forward Reply #48 - Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 11:18am If you are genuinely curious about Islam, I can't see Abu refusing to answer your questions - unless you've got an obvious agenda like FD or the other Islamophobes (which you do, right?)
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Reply #49 - Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 11:25am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 11:18am:

If you are genuinely curious about Islam, I can't see Abu refusing to answer your questions - unless you've got an obvious agenda like FD or the other Islamophobes (which you do, right?)

I reply to what I see. And all I see is someone who hates Australia and the West. He shall be treated accordingly.

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Islam is the way forward Reply #50 - Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 11:31am You know Abu is a revert, right? He is probably more Australian than you are, Bolshevik.
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Reply #51 - Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 11:35am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 11:31am:

You know Abu is a revert, right? He is probably more Australian than you are, Bolshevik.

I know he has converted. He may or may not be "more Australian" (can he trace his ancestry back 7 generations?) Not that this is relevant at the moment.

It is not Islam itself I am attacking, but rather the relentless nihilists which seek to continually undermine the West.

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Reply #52 - Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 11:51am

I am ambivalent, about Islam &/or all other religions.

However, they are part of the complex world we live in, so they must be taken into consideration.

That said, religions of all sorts, often present as both part of the solution, but also part of the problem!

Religions of all sorts, are largely a part of the belief systems that many people acquire, as they go thru their formative years.

Many people will continue with those beliefs, religious or other, until the day they die, irrespective of what information may be presented.

Personally, I have come to the conclusion that all religions are part of the great dilemma -

"Everything that has ever and will ever happen, is pre-determined, is part of the great plan and therefore choice and freedom of thought, are just an illusion.

There is no god, chaos is the only universal rule and our choices will determine the future of humanity.

Which is more difficult to believe?
Which is more unpalatable?"

I have come to the conclusion that religions are more difficult to believe and that their consequences are more unpalatable.

I'm sure there are many who will not agree with my thoughts!

But, there is a large & growing number of people, who no longer accept the standard religious doctrines!

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Reply #53 - Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 12:45pm

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 11:51am:

I have come to the conclusion that religions are more difficult to believe and that their consequences are more unpalatable.

It is usually the people who say this that fanatically believe in the religion of Darwinism, which says that the universe and life on Earth somehow mysteriously began without any outside help, and goes on to claim that humans are descended from apes!

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Reply #54 - Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 2:22pm

falah wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 12:45pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 11:51am:

I have come to the conclusion that religions are more difficult to believe and that their consequences are more unpalatable.

It is usually the people who say this that fanatically believe in the religion of Darwinism, which says that the universe and life on Earth somehow mysteriously began without any outside help, and goes on to claim that humans are descended from apes!

http://adrishta.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Darwin-monkey.jpg

Take out those couple of words and you've got me!

I do find that more believable and platatable, than the alternative that says choice and freedom of thought, are just an illusion, because there is an all knowing, all seeing God/s, which have mysteriously been around, even since before the universe began.

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Reply #55 - Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 2:55pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 10:18am:

Happy new year, Abu. I don't know why you bother even replying to these comments. They are not interested in learning, just proving their own misguided points.

Oh and your pal is I suppose Annie? Listen lady when somebody says to me, " Actually I'd say they were so godless, they had no qualms exterminating people like roaches, because to an atheist, there is no intrinsic value to human life."

They are going to get paid off in kind. You know very well I'm a reasonable person so don't give me any bullshit. Angry

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Islam is the way forward Reply #56 - Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 3:05pm perceptions_now wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 11:51am: I am ambivalent, about Islam . Islam is not ambivalent about you and so it doesn't validated or reciprocate your ambivalence but sees it exactly for what it is.
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Reply #57 - Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 3:31pm

Grey wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 2:55pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 10:18am:

Happy new year, Abu. I don't know why you bother even replying to these comments. They are not interested in learning, just proving their own misguided points.

Oh and your pal is I suppose Annie? Listen lady when somebody says to me, " Actually I'd say they were so godless, they had no qualms exterminating people like roaches, because to an atheist, there is no intrinsic value to human life."

They are going to get paid off in kind. You know very well I'm a reasonable person so don't give me any bullshit. Angry

Must everything be about you? This argument has been going on since way before you joined Grey, so get over yourself.

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Reply #58 - Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 4:05pm

Soren wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 3:05pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 11:51am:

I am ambivalent, about Islam .

Islam is not ambivalent about you and so it doesn't validated or reciprocat your ambivalenc but sees it exactly for what it is.

Whatever religion you may wish to raise, Islam or anything else, makes no difference, I decide what I do and what influences me, not Islam or any other religion!

That said, of course Islam &/or any other religion could impact my life &/or anyone else's life either in a positive or negative way, by the decisions made by its disciples & hierarchy.

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Reply #59 - Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 5:44pm

Grey wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2012 at 4:18am:

If the 'human' was flaying a woman to death and throwing acid over girls for the crime of going to school I'd certainly favour the cockroach.

But the woman is just a bunch of random molecules isn't she? Why would it matter to an atheist if a container of other molecules (in this case sulphuric acid) happened to come into contact with her by means of a catalyst (another organism of random molecules)?

Where's the meaning in it all? What's right? What's wrong? From the viewpoint of an atheist there's nothing intrinsically wrong about any of it.

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