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Sappho Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 1406 Gender:	Re: Why criminalise kronic/k2? Reply #15 - Nov 28^th, 2011 at 5:42pm If society legalized all drugs, then society would control the amount and price of said drugs in the same way that society controls the amount and price of alcohol the legal drug. It would also spell the end of drug wars and almost all criminality born of the drug trade.
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Reply #16 - Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:49pm

Sappho wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 5:42pm:

If society legalized all drugs, then society would control the amount and price of said drugs in the same way that society controls the amount and price of alcohol the legal drug.

It would also spell the end of drug wars and almost all criminality born of the drug trade.

Wait till you saw what it would do to the many thousands who would become regular users if not for their prohibition.

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Reply #17 - Nov 28^th, 2011 at 8:54pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:49pm:

Sappho wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 5:42pm:

If society legalized all drugs, then society would control the amount and price of said drugs in the same way that society controls the amount and price of alcohol the legal drug.

It would also spell the end of drug wars and almost all criminality born of the drug trade.

Wait till you saw what it would do to the many thousands who would become regular users if not for their prohibition.

Users are not abusers....

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Reply #18 - Nov 28^th, 2011 at 8:59pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:49pm:

Sappho wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 5:42pm:

If society legalized all drugs, then society would control the amount and price of said drugs in the same way that society controls the amount and price of alcohol the legal drug.

It would also spell the end of drug wars and almost all criminality born of the drug trade.

Wait till you saw what it would do to the many thousands who would become regular users if not for their prohibition.

Portugal provides a decent reference here Helian, you should look into their drug policy and the effect it has had on use and problems associated with abuse.

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Reply #19 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 6:31am

Sappho wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 8:54pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:49pm:

Sappho wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 5:42pm:

If society legalized all drugs, then society would control the amount and price of said drugs in the same way that society controls the amount and price of alcohol the legal drug.

It would also spell the end of drug wars and almost all criminality born of the drug trade.

Wait till you saw what it would do to the many thousands who would become regular users if not for their prohibition.

Users are not abusers....

When is a pile a heap?

Drug use is usually insidious...

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Reply #20 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 7:24am

When will it become illegal to combine Johnson's shampoo with Loreal conditioner?
Is it only if there is an undesirable reaction which takes place?

Will laws enventuate where it is illegal to consume GM peas with Walmart GM carrots?

Obviously, it's already undesirable to mix freely available brake fluid with freely available clourine, because that may/will cause a chemical reaction....or explosion.
What other freely available chemicals aren't we allowed to mix?

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Reply #21 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 7:31am

Amadd wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 7:24am:

Obviously, it's already undesirable to mix freely available brake fluid with freely available clourine, because that may/will cause a chemical reaction....or explosion.
What other freely available chemicals aren't we allowed to mix?

If you're asking when will it be required to legislate that certain freely available chemicals are no loner freely available... My guess would be when enough people ingest freely available brake fluid and chlorine and/or blow bits of their bodies off with it (including other people's), then turn up at freely available hospitals and rehab centres to be saved from their own stupidity, would be a good time to start legislating.

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Reply #22 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 7:39am

OK, I was talking stark contrast there to get the point across.

The more chemicals which are allowed into the system, then all the more reactions that are possible and probable.

How on earth can it be illegal to mix two legal substances?

Do two rights make a wrong? ..Appealing to your mathematical mind there Helian Grin

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Reply #23 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 3:03pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 7:31am:

Amadd wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 7:24am:

Obviously, it's already undesirable to mix freely available brake fluid with freely available clourine, because that may/will cause a chemical reaction....or explosion.
What other freely available chemicals aren't we allowed to mix?

If you're asking when will it be required to legislate that certain freely available chemicals are no loner freely available... My guess would be when enough people ingest freely available brake fluid and chlorine and/or blow bits of their bodies off with it (including other people's), then turn up at freely available hospitals and rehab centres to be saved from their own stupidity, would be a good time to start legislating.

Is it safe to assume you are in favour of alcohol & tobacco prohibition. What's your position on consensual human procreation; plenty of kids turn up to freely available hospitals daily to be saved from their own stupidity.

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Reply #24 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 3:47pm

Kronic is stoopid.

One of the best things about dope is that you know (or should know) that it's not going to harm you. Sure the buzz is nice, but it's very mild compared to some highs that you could get, albeit at higher risk to yourself.

But you don't have that peace of mind with Kronic. As they are constantly changing the structure without testing, you never know what that next 'blend' is going to do to you. If you're going to take the greater risks, you might as well get a greater high for your troubles.

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Reply #25 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 6:06pm

qikvtec wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 3:03pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 7:31am:

Amadd wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 7:24am:

Obviously, it's already undesirable to mix freely available brake fluid with freely available clourine, because that may/will cause a chemical reaction....or explosion.
What other freely available chemicals aren't we allowed to mix?

If you're asking when will it be required to legislate that certain freely available chemicals are no loner freely available... My guess would be when enough people ingest freely available brake fluid and chlorine and/or blow bits of their bodies off with it (including other people's), then turn up at freely available hospitals and rehab centres to be saved from their own stupidity, would be a good time to start legislating.

Is it safe to assume you are in favour of alcohol & tobacco prohibition. What's your position on consensual human procreation; plenty of kids turn up to freely available hospitals daily to be saved from their own stupidity.

No point legislating against the unlegislatable.

Alcohol has been part of European culture for too long. Prohibition was tried in the US (not long after women gained suffrage). It failed. Alcohol has been part of the European Australian story since its outset. I'd like to see how much is left of the politician or party that tries to take that debate to the electorate.

Tobacco is being slowly throttled out of the culture by ever increasing taxation and prohibition on places to legally smoke... The aim is obviously full prohibition.

Prohibition on human procreation? Well the Chinese have taken a partial swipe at that...

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Reply #26 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 7:27pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 6:06pm:

Alcohol has been part of European culture for too long. Prohibition was tried in the US (not long after women gained suffrage). It failed. Alcohol has been part of the European Australian story since its outset. I'd like to see how much is left of the politician or party that tries to take that debate to the electorate.

Drugs have been a part of Human culture since the times of pre history... since before the advent of of alcohol. Prohibition is being tried and it is failing.

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Reply #27 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 7:41pm

No point legislating against the unlegislatable. - Helian

Yeah so think about that. You say that - mentioning 'alcohol' tobacco' and 'sex' as being unlegislatable.

Why the restriction???? Not logical to me,
but yeah - legalise it.!!

Least that way taxes are paid, money can come in to help mitigate harm, and criminals won't get any richer, and kids won't slip over to the 'dark side' ! Roll Eyes

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Reply #28 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 7:49pm

Sappho wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 7:27pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 6:06pm:

Alcohol has been part of European culture for too long. Prohibition was tried in the US (not long after women gained suffrage). It failed. Alcohol has been part of the European Australian story since its outset. I'd like to see how much is left of the politician or party that tries to take that debate to the electorate.

Drugs have been a part of Human culture since the times of pre history... since before the advent of of alcohol. Prohibition is being tried and it is failing.

They have (been part of Human culture since the times of pre history)... Not much trouble passing legislation in Euro-centric countries against the recreational use of most psychoactive drugs, but.

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Why criminalise kronic/k2? Reply #29 - Nov 29^th, 2011 at 9:04pm How could you legalise something life destroying like meth?
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