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imcrookonit

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Private Schools Secure More Money Than They Should
Nov 27^th, 2011 at 6:08am

PUBLIC and private schools face the biggest funding overhaul in decades as the Gillard government prepares to scrap the current system. Huh

Warning Australia risks a "two-tiered school system" that fails the nation's struggling students, Education Minister Peter Garrett has slammed the current system as "all over the place". Sad

And for the first time, he's confirmed the government's intention to legislate any changes next year -- before voters cast their ballot at the 2013 election.

Mr Garrett told The Sunday Telegraph that "a new model" will emerge from the first major review of schools funding n decades.

"Too many hard-working families feel they have to scrimp and save to get their kids a good education, when a good education should be the birthright of every Australian," Mr Garrett said.

"The school funding system is all over the place." Sad

Mr Garrett said the Gonski review will offer a "fundamental break from the systems of the past, and that supports the rights of every child to have a great education at a great school."

Mr Garrett pledged that "no school would lose a dollar" under the changes but failed to offer any pledge to index private school funding or guarantee any changes would not increase private school fees.

He said it was "not fair" that many similar schools secured different funding under special deals and "no loser" guarantees entered into by the Howard government. Sad

About 40 per cent of private schools secure more money than they should. Sad

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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: Private Schools Secure More Money Than They Should Reply #1 - Nov 27^th, 2011 at 6:38am Yes Mr Garrett, you are right, something must be done about this. Thank you for looking into it.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Private Schools Secure More Money Than They Should Reply #2 - Nov 27^th, 2011 at 9:24am Ha ha, another policy disaster on the way from Batt-man
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Reply #3 - Nov 27^th, 2011 at 10:12am

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"Too many hard-working families feel they have to scrimp and save to get their kids a good education, when a good education should be the birthright of every Australian," Mr Garrett said.

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The question is Battman: is the money following the kids or are the kids following the money? The perception is that private schools can deliver a much better education than public schools so the private schools should receive equal funding. When the public schools have the ability to dump those union-protected hopeless teachers things might change.

Lesson #1: a teacher at a public primary school near Seven Hills marked a student as wrong for the spelling of ANZAC. According to the teacher the correct spelling was ANZACK.

Lesson #2: a teacher at Blacktown Girls High School demonstated a maths problem on the blackboard. When our friend's daughter asked the teacher: how did you get your answer? the teacher shot back: are you questioning my method? The girls in the class didn't bother with questions to the teacher for the rest of the year.

Lesson #3: a teacher at the above school stood in front of the class and handed out work sheets and not much more. Her opinion was that all the girls should pass the final exam.

ETC.

Up in the Hunter region the school system is well represented by lesbians. If you aren't in the club your future is limited.

What's wrong with public schools? PLENTY.

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Reply #4 - Nov 27^th, 2011 at 10:22am

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Up in the Hunter region the school system is well represented by lesbians. If you aren't in the club your future is limited.

That's disgusting. How can a woman teach children the fundamentals of maths or grammar if she spends her weekends loving another woman?

Do you want to be in the lesbian club?

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imcrookonit

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Reply #5 - Nov 27^th, 2011 at 11:56am

VICTORIA'S 310,000 students at non-government schools would lose up to $45 million in funding under two Greens policies, according to independent schools. Huh

Independent Schools Victoria says up to 67 Victorian schools would lose all their government cash under the Greens' proposal to crack down on "wealthier" schools.

The group has revealed what it says would be the cost of Greens policies to re-direct subsidies away from some schools and to force independent schools back to 2003-04 funding levels.

The federal Government is due to receive a report on school funding from review panel chairman David Gonski later this year - after the Greens take the balance of power in the Senate.

School Education Minister Peter Garrett has said no school would lose "a dollar" per student, but future funding arrangements are uncertain.

Independent schools are concerned they will lose funding and parents will be forced to foot the bill.

Independent Schools Victoria analysed figures from the Government's My School website to model Green policies, using the example of "wealthy" schools provided by NSW Greens as a benchmark.

It ran three models of the policies' impact, depending on different definitions of school wealth.

It found that, nationally, schools would lose up to $1.61 billion.

In Victoria, the loss would be $377455.9 million. About a third of that loss would stem from the removal of public subsidies, affecting 54-67 Victorian schools.

Independent Schools Victoria chief executive Michelle Green said cuts would hurt families and close schools.

"It is likely that members of Parliament will be asked by parents how their children's non-government schools will survive," Ms Green said.

Greens education spokeswoman Sarah Hanson-Young said there was a clear inequity in funding, and if the Government wasn't going to take money from schools then it had to find another way to boost the public system by $12 billion. Wink

Senator Hanson-Young said plans for the new funding formula must be revealed before the next election.

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imcrookonit

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Reply #6 - Nov 27^th, 2011 at 12:01pm

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Jeditutor of Brisbane Posted at 12:26 AM Today

Private schools are for the rich. They create elitists so why should I have to pay for the rich kids with my tax. You send your kids to private schools, then you pay for it 100%. Its a joke, that we have to pay and its exactly what is wrong with this greedy country. We are the only country in the world where private schools are paid with public money. Private schools, with millions in profits for their own needs. Stop this greed. If schools go bust, then turn them public. Sad

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Alan of Aspley Posted at 6:37 AM Today

if you want to send your kid to a private school, pay for it. If not send them to a public/state school, it still costs an arm and a leg these days. Sad

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Retrokev of Rockvegas Posted at 7:11 AM Today

Oh no here we go again, Labor passion fingers at work. I already took my kids out of public school because it has become so disfunctional and now if Garrett and his cronies start playing with the system we will have to send our kids overseas to get a good education.

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Reply #7 - Nov 27^th, 2011 at 12:04pm

What have you got against private schools??

Could it be the age-old envy of "Why can't I go there too?" or "I can't afford to send my kids to private school so nobody else should either"

At the end of the day mate, society is made up of those who can afford something and those who can't.

Get used to it and stop moaning about how unfair life is.

Life is only as hard as you make it for yourself.

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Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination - Oscar Wilde

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Reply #8 - Nov 27^th, 2011 at 1:30pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 12:04pm:

What have you got against private schools??

Could it be the age-old envy of "Why can't I go there too?" or "I can't afford to send my kids to private school so nobody else should either"

At the end of the day mate, society is made up of those who can afford something and those who can't.

Get used to it and stop moaning about how unfair life is.

Life is only as hard as you make it for yourself.

If they want to run a business and make a profit out of education then don't expect corporate welfare to prop it up and to build swimming pools etc !!

Elitist scams is what they are Sad

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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Private Schools Secure More Money Than They Should Reply #9 - Nov 27^th, 2011 at 3:28pm This is about the 50th thread on the same topic. it can be basically summed up as losers complaining about winners.
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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30089 Gender:	Re: Private Schools Secure More Money Than They Should Reply #10 - Nov 27^th, 2011 at 6:21pm longweekend58 wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 3:28pm: This is about the 50th thread on the same topic. it can be basically summed up as losers complaining about winners. Lets see how much of a winner they would be without the corporate welfare doled out each year !!
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Reply #11 - Nov 27^th, 2011 at 6:43pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 1:30pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 12:04pm:

What have you got against private schools??

Could it be the age-old envy of "Why can't I go there too?" or "I can't afford to send my kids to private school so nobody else should either"

At the end of the day mate, society is made up of those who can afford something and those who can't.

Get used to it and stop moaning about how unfair life is.

Life is only as hard as you make it for yourself.

If they want to run a business and make a profit out of education then don't expect corporate welfare to prop it up and to build swimming pools etc !!

Elitist scams is what they are Sad

The majority of students in private education have parents who pay significant sums of tax annually, to fund, amongst other things EDUCATION; why should they not be entitled to receive tax payer funding for their kids?

Who in their right mind would subject their children to the public system if they had a choice?

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Politicians and Nappies need to be changed often and for the same reason.

One trouble with political jokes is that they often get elected.

Alan Joyce for PM

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imcrookonit

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Reply #12 - Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:01am

Greens education spokeswoman Sarah Hanson-Young said there was a clear inequity in funding, and if the Government wasn't going to take money from schools then it had to find another way to boost the public system by $12 billion. Wink

Senator Hanson-Young said plans for the new funding formula must be revealed before the next election.

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Reply #13 - Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:23am

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Greens education spokeswoman Sarah Hanson-Young said there was a clear inequity in funding, and if the Government wasn't going to take money from schools then it had to find another way to boost the public system by $12 billion. Wink

Senator Hanson-Young said plans for the new funding formula must be revealed before the next election.

what would be the point in that? that only has value if the labor party's election policies can be trusted. and they cant.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #14 - Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:36am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 10:22am:

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Up in the Hunter region the school system is well represented by lesbians. If you aren't in the club your future is limited.

That's disgusting. How can a woman teach children the fundamentals of maths or grammar if she spends her weekends loving another woman?

Do you want to be in the lesbian club?

Sorry, I should have padded that out a little more. If you are applying for a deputy's job or perhaps a head's job and you are up against one of the members of 'the club' you don't stand much chance. Hiding the fact that you are married (to a man for G*d's sake) is impossible at the interview stage.

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The ALP, the progressive party, the party of ideas, the workers' friend, is the only Australian political party to roast four young Australians in roof cavities. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

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