Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 3 4 ... 8
Send Topic Print
Now they are talking about a possible Depression ! (Read 6213 times)
corporate_whitey
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 8896
Archivist
Re: Now they are talking about a possible Depression !
Reply #15 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:36pm
 
We are going to have to start up a social economy again so people have an opportunity to get properly educated and skilled free of the Market capitalists conniving and exploitation's.  People have a right to be trained and skilled in trades and the market capitalist system is not delivering anything but economic failure and corruption.

this is a prick of a system.
Back to top
 

World Wide Working Class Struggle
 
IP Logged
 
Ex Dame Pansi
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 24168
Re: Now they are talking about a possible Depression !
Reply #16 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:44pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:12pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:11pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 12:19pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 10:00am:
Some economists are talking about the possibility of a world depression if Europe can't get its house in order.

I suppose we have to experience at least one depression every century followed by a massive war in order to kick start the economy again. Such is the capitalist system of greed  Sad


So what do you suggest we all do .. become communists?


you'll find all of those systems including capitalism will eventually fail. Capitalism requires exponential growth which the planet cannot possibly support so is doomed to failure !!


Again I ask .. what do YOU suggest we all do??



What do you want to do lisa? sell overpriced houses to people who are broke?  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin
Back to top
 

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Hendrix
andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....
 
IP Logged
 
Doctor Jolly
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3808
Re: Now they are talking about a possible Depression !
Reply #17 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:49pm
 
Grey wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:05pm:
Australia could easily avoid the catastrophe by going isolationist. Only the ideological nonsense of 'free trade stops us.


We'd have to make all our own electronics ourselves then.
That would suck.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Soren
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 25654
Gender: male
Re: Now they are talking about a possible Depression !
Reply #18 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:51pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:44pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:12pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:11pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 12:19pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 10:00am:
Some economists are talking about the possibility of a world depression if Europe can't get its house in order.

I suppose we have to experience at least one depression every century followed by a massive war in order to kick start the economy again. Such is the capitalist system of greed  Sad


So what do you suggest we all do .. become communists?


you'll find all of those systems including capitalism will eventually fail. Capitalism requires exponential growth which the planet cannot possibly support so is doomed to failure !!


Again I ask .. what do YOU suggest we all do??



What do you want to do lisa? sell overpriced houses to people who are broke?  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin



That's right!!!! Say no to houses!!

EAT MORE GRASS!!!!!



Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Ex Dame Pansi
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 24168
Re: Now they are talking about a possible Depression !
Reply #19 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 2:03pm
 
corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:36pm:
We are going to have to start up a social economy again so people have an opportunity to get properly educated and skilled free of the Market capitalists conniving and exploitation's.  People have a right to be trained and skilled in trades and the market capitalist system is not delivering anything but economic failure and corruption.

this is a prick of a system.



It's a failed system from go to whoa. Education is an industry, an industry that has been growing by deception.

Be a life-long learner, there will be a course or 100 for every stage of your progression, simply to hide the fact that we don't have jobs.

They tell us we have a shortage of skilled workers, yet we have more people in education than ever before.

Don't believe the lie. People should be trained in trades, people want to be trained in trades, but for some reason the government does not want people to be trained in trades, otherwise they would have trade schools for those people who are not already in the industry.

They have created a catch 22 situation, where a person can only be trained in a trade if they are taken on as an apprentice. That's discrimination for the person who wants to get into a certain industry, but does not get an apprenticeship.

It's all a big ponci scheme to benefit the capitalist pigs who are sucking the blood from the 99%.

Back to top
 

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Hendrix
andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....
 
IP Logged
 
gizmo_2655
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male
Re: Now they are talking about a possible Depression !
Reply #20 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 2:08pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 2:03pm:
It's a failed system from go to whoa. Education is an industry, an industry that has been growing by deception.


Just like ALL the others, so far.....

Communism failed (witness the USSR)
Facism failed (Nazi Germany)
Socialism is failing (France's economy is in the crapper)

Etc etc....
Back to top
 

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat
 
IP Logged
 
corporate_whitey
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 8896
Archivist
Re: Now they are talking about a possible Depression !
Reply #21 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 2:19pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 2:03pm:
corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:36pm:
We are going to have to start up a social economy again so people have an opportunity to get properly educated and skilled free of the Market capitalists conniving and exploitation's.  People have a right to be trained and skilled in trades and the market capitalist system is not delivering anything but economic failure and corruption.

this is a prick of a system.



It's a failed system from go to whoa. Education is an industry, an industry that has been growing by deception.

Be a life-long learner, there will be a course or 100 for every stage of your progression, simply to hide the fact that we don't have jobs.

They tell us we have a shortage of skilled workers, yet we have more people in education than ever before.

Don't believe the lie. People should be trained in trades, people want to be trained in trades, but for some reason the government does not want people to be trained in trades, otherwise they would have trade schools for those people who are not already in the industry.

They have created a catch 22 situation, where a person can only be trained in a trade if they are taken on as an apprentice. That's discrimination for the person who wants to get into a certain industry, but does not get an apprenticeship.

It's all a big ponci scheme to benefit the capitalist pigs who are sucking the blood from the 99%.


People need to understand how to do things for themselves and each other and those skills have to be taught.  We have to understand for ourselves how things work and how they are fixed.  Its the monopolizing and hoarding of knowledge that is excluding people.  Market capitalism does not train and skill people, it poaches skills by outsourcing.  I am not talking about filling skills shortages to suit business demands that I could give a flip about, I am talking about giving people trades again spreading the knowledge and skill out as wide as possible.  We need to abolish the shareholder capitalists monopolization and control of  knowledge and skill and teach each other again.  the power of corporatism and control of wealth can only be broken by opportunities for Australians to learn trade skills and to be educated - that is a fact and we have to be able to be educated without accruing a huge debt over our heads to evil, greedy, lowlife, scumbag, shareholder capitalists.  knowledge must be shared not controlled - if you have access to text books and trade manuals FFS rip them and upload them to the internet.
Back to top
 

World Wide Working Class Struggle
 
IP Logged
 
Grey
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5341
Gender: male
Re: Now they are talking about a possible Depression !
Reply #22 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 2:20pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:24pm:
corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 12:42pm:
Organised Corporate greed and human inequality and its ultra right wing shareholder capitalist investor lobbies are openly calling for the scrapping of all benefits to hard workers, to make them work even harder and longer so they can kill them off faster, take the profits faster and up the replacement immigration intake.  they want the dole scrapped, the DSP and Aged Pension scrapped, public health scrapped ect.  They want compulsory credit cards issued to all workers and education on the benefits of gambling, suicide and compulsory sterilization to all working class slaves.  By doing this shareholder capitalists could channel even more wealth into their miserable lowlife greedy coffers.



These are all very good ideas. Win your groceries on the pokies - it is certainly more exciting than pushing your trolley at Woolies.

It's time that work, like a good deed, is be recognised as its own reward, rather somethingto haggle over, as we see with these ujnioist chappies. Disgraceful. Work ye bastards, that's why you are the champions of the working class. Leave the filthy lucre to the morally inferior red in claw capitalists.


Great Universe, Soren said something I agree with:-)

(enjoy RosenKavellier on Sunday? Smiley )
Back to top
 

"It is in the shelter of each other that the people live" - Irish Proverb
 
IP Logged
 
Grey
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5341
Gender: male
Re: Now they are talking about a possible Depression !
Reply #23 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 2:24pm
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:49pm:
Grey wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:05pm:
Australia could easily avoid the catastrophe by going isolationist. Only the ideological nonsense of 'free trade stops us.


We'd have to make all our own electronics ourselves then.
That would suck.


Smiley not if you enjoy electronics. And really we have to stop being hole diggers at some point.
Back to top
 

"It is in the shelter of each other that the people live" - Irish Proverb
 
IP Logged
 
Grey
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5341
Gender: male
Re: Now they are talking about a possible Depression !
Reply #24 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 2:48pm
 
For the most part I'm with Corporate Whitey, though I might not couch things in quite the same way. Not all systems fail. If you look at a rain forest you see a dynamic system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamical_systems_theory

Of course if humans set out with gay abandon to eradicate a dynamic system that's achievable. But in the natural way of things a rain forest will continue to self adjust until the sun goes nova.

That's the sort of system we need to emulate, one that has enough inbuilt chaos to adjust. Control is the enemy, that makes fascism the worst kind of system. Fascism can be left, right or theocratic.

People need to be free to do their own thing. The biggest single problem with liberal capitalism is the concept of ownership of land. Land in its natural state should not have a monetary value and land that has been damaged should have a negative value.

therefore if people want to make a community on damaged land the capitalist state should pay them a grant of restitution. We should make a society where different types of people can find a place to be.
Back to top
 

"It is in the shelter of each other that the people live" - Irish Proverb
 
IP Logged
 
qikvtec
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1846
Queensland
Re: Now they are talking about a possible Depression !
Reply #25 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 3:23pm
 
Grey wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 2:48pm:
For the most part I'm with Corporate Whitey, though I might not couch things in quite the same way. Not all systems fail. If you look at a rain forest you see a dynamic system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamical_systems_theory

Of course if humans set out with gay abandon to eradicate a dynamic system that's achievable. But in the natural way of things a rain forest will continue to self adjust until the sun goes nova.

That's the sort of system we need to emulate, one that has enough inbuilt chaos to adjust. Control is the enemy, that makes fascism the worst kind of system. Fascism can be left, right or theocratic.

People need to be free to do their own thing. The biggest single problem with liberal capitalism is the concept of ownership of land. Land in its natural state should not have a monetary value and land that has been damaged should have a negative value.

therefore if people want to make a community on damaged land the capitalist state should pay them a grant of restitution. We should make a society where different types of people can find a place to be.


In that situation, give me an island, a boat, a fishing rod, a net, a continuous supply of beer and water and a woman or two.
Back to top
 

Politicians and Nappies need to be changed often and for the same reason.

One trouble with political jokes is that they often get elected.

Alan Joyce for PM
 
IP Logged
 
Grey
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5341
Gender: male
Re: Now they are talking about a possible Depression !
Reply #26 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 4:00pm
 
qikvtec wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 3:23pm:
Grey wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 2:48pm:
For the most part I'm with Corporate Whitey, though I might not couch things in quite the same way. Not all systems fail. If you look at a rain forest you see a dynamic system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamical_systems_theory

Of course if humans set out with gay abandon to eradicate a dynamic system that's achievable. But in the natural way of things a rain forest will continue to self adjust until the sun goes nova.

That's the sort of system we need to emulate, one that has enough inbuilt chaos to adjust. Control is the enemy, that makes fascism the worst kind of system. Fascism can be left, right or theocratic.

People need to be free to do their own thing. The biggest single problem with liberal capitalism is the concept of ownership of land. Land in its natural state should not have a monetary value and land that has been damaged should have a negative value.

therefore if people want to make a community on damaged land the capitalist state should pay them a grant of restitution. We should make a society where different types of people can find a place to be.


In that situation, give me an island, a boat, a fishing rod, a net, a continuous supply of beer and water and a woman or two.


Sorry it doesn't work like that. Find your own unoccupied space on an island. acquire your own boat, rod, nets and water source, make your own beer. Entice your own women if you can. We undertake not to hastle you.  Grin
Back to top
 

"It is in the shelter of each other that the people live" - Irish Proverb
 
IP Logged
 
...
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 23673
WA
Gender: male
Re: Now they are talking about a possible Depression !
Reply #27 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 4:13pm
 
Grey wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 4:00pm:
qikvtec wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 3:23pm:
Grey wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 2:48pm:
For the most part I'm with Corporate Whitey, though I might not couch things in quite the same way. Not all systems fail. If you look at a rain forest you see a dynamic system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamical_systems_theory

Of course if humans set out with gay abandon to eradicate a dynamic system that's achievable. But in the natural way of things a rain forest will continue to self adjust until the sun goes nova.

That's the sort of system we need to emulate, one that has enough inbuilt chaos to adjust. Control is the enemy, that makes fascism the worst kind of system. Fascism can be left, right or theocratic.

People need to be free to do their own thing. The biggest single problem with liberal capitalism is the concept of ownership of land. Land in its natural state should not have a monetary value and land that has been damaged should have a negative value.

therefore if people want to make a community on damaged land the capitalist state should pay them a grant of restitution. We should make a society where different types of people can find a place to be.


In that situation, give me an island, a boat, a fishing rod, a net, a continuous supply of beer and water and a woman or two.


Sorry it doesn't work like that. Find your own unoccupied space on an island. acquire your own boat, rod, nets and water source, make your own beer. Entice your own women if you can. We undertake not to hastle you.  Grin



Sea steading is the way to go. 

But of course theres the enduring question of how to make 'da man' tolerate you removing yourself from their sphere of influence.  That's the thing with power - you always want more.
Back to top
 

In the fullness of time...
 
IP Logged
 
barnaby joe
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 1992
euchareena
Re: Now they are talking about a possible Depression !
Reply #28 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 5:03pm
 
not if you just go to mars. they wont be able to get us on mars for at least 50 years.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
...
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 23673
WA
Gender: male
Re: Now they are talking about a possible Depression !
Reply #29 - Nov 29th, 2011 at 5:13pm
 
barnaby joe wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 5:03pm:
not if you just go to mars. they wont be able to get us on mars for at least 50 years.



The problem with mars is that the lower gravity ensures anyone living there will soon become physically feeble compared to the earth-based ubermensch, with their robust 1.0 gravity. 
So, I propose that leftards be sent to Mars instead - after all, they are used to being weaklings.
Back to top
 

In the fullness of time...
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 4 ... 8
Send Topic Print