Grey wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 6:19pm:



LOL.  he has openly stated several times that he refuses to work a single day ever again, and then has the nerve to claim he is hard working and ethical.

... wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 6:09pm:

Work dodgers - this is what useless Shareholder Capitalists (Convict Overseers) call people they have flogged, downsized, bashed and driven to an early grave with their organised economic aggression, greed and sense of entitlement to productivity and profits.  Remember - shareholder capitalists wouldn't work if their life depended on it and they certainly do not believe in paying people for labor and skills, they are thieves and pirates - they are going they way of the do do - bye bye numb nutz,

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 6:50pm:


Why?  Because whatever system we live under there is one thing that will see you through - ability.  And as long as I've got food, water and a home for my family and I, we will be just fine. 
Im just a working pleb like you, but rather than bitch and moan that someone I'll never meet has more money than I do, I just focus on what I DO have, which is everything I need and more.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 7:09pm:



I have confidence in my ability to adapt.

But say I am naive - please do help and enlighten me.  

[quote author=longweekend58 link=1322524851/0#2 date=1322533032][quote author=culldav link=1322524851/0#1 date=1322530772]There is ONE major fundamental FLAW with the capitalist system, and that is; not everyone can be rich, because no one will be left to do the manual work.

If you have cash money in any bank is would be very prudent to pull it out and either invest in Australian bonds or just hide it somewhere safe.
Neither Communism, Socialism or Capitalism are any good for society if run by people without common decency.
The Rotten Systems, and is there an Alterative?

The so called Civilizations since mankind came out of the cave, or maybe came down from the trees have hardly changed over thousands of years, because we are now as brutal to each other as they were in the stone ages; the only difference is, that thousands of years ago, men fought each other with sticks and stones, and now destructive weapons are used to the point that the planet on which we live could be completely destroyed in matters of minutes, if the potent weapons, designed by very clever people, put into the hands of not so clever, so called leaders, be they Kings, Dictators or just Politicians, and none of the latter display any scruples or courage to speak up against what should be spoken up against.

But in the so called Democracy, are the Politicians only to be blamed?

If a Politician speaks honestly, if that is possible, will he/she be re-elected at the next election; most likely not, and that is the weakness of a Democracy, the citizens in a Democracy cannot accept the truth, which may go against the voters interests, be it economically or otherwise.

How could Democracy be improved so that it becomes a better system of Government than all the other systems that preceded it?

Considering the previous systems, Be they Oligarchies, Royalties, Plutocracies  or Communism.

The first three are only for the benefit of the few, based on either birth or other means, while the last would be the best, yet it completely collapsed after less than a hundred years, but why did Communism collapse so quickly?

The Capitalist always harp on the idea of being the human nature, and greed will always come out on top, when it comes to benefit humanity.

For Communism to work, the human mind has to broaden enormously, because if people think that Communism is a system made in heaven, they are very wrong, because it is obvious that if nobody is prepared to put the effort he/she is capable of, and everybody has no desire to limit their consumption, the system cannot function.

But in any system, the main problem is, that there are always people trying to usurp the leading positions, and there is nothing wrong with that as long as they are capable of being the leaders and are not just in the leading positions for their own benefit or boost their big ego.

As most of the aspiring leaders have the ability to fool the common people, by first crawling to them, and when they are in positions of power they will quickly turn around and often misuse the power vested in them.

The people in power also have the great ability of surrounding themselves with underlings who will lick the boots of their leaders, and empower the leader to overcome any attempt to challenge their leadership

Many male leaders are often also controlled by their wives or female partners and are rather weak in reality, but very cunning to outwit their opponents, but in the long run, the society with weak or unfair leaders always suffers.

In a Marriage, where a partner with less ability gains control through having a thicker skin, in the end both partners will not achieve their full potential, and this will also apply in every other Organization up to the leadership in Governments.

That does not mean that the more skillful partner in a marriage should debase his/her partner, but for the benefit of both and the community at large, fools should not be leaders, but use their skills and talents for the benefit of a family, a group or Government, and the so called Indians are just as valuable to society as are the Chiefs.

Never, never should the leaders in society be left in total position of power, but should  always be challenged  to explain and justify their actions.

Unfortunately many individuals which are prepared to challenge the leaders or the system are conveniently accused of “Rocking the Boat” or called “Whistleblowers” and many times they pay a high price for their actions.

Also the leaders of any society should not be put on a pedestal and idolized like super heroes, and when the people in power talk about serving the Community, they should really show their true colours and admit that they are not in those positions for their own ego and like to have the nose in the trough.

How many families become career politicians; now if to be a politician is such a hard and demanding task, a parent would hardly encourage their offspring to follow in their

footsteps.

One way how Democratic performance could be greatly improved would be is , instead of having the Senate and Legislative Councils, abolish them and set up Committees of interested citizens to perform the task of keeping a watch over the Governments, and they should not be paid, except being remunerated for any expenses in performing their tasks.

There could also be some risk that this committees set up to keep the “bastards honest” do not bec

... wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 7:12pm:



mmmmyeah didn't think I'd get a response to that.

It would take more than one sentence.

because there is so much debt, taxes and they are just printing money - people will no longer be willing to accept cash as payment for their services.  Basically you are working for free for useless share market capitalist parasites and organised corporate greed and the money is worthless, its just a token of the exchange marked payment to corporate welfare.  people will increasingly be exchanging services in barter as confidence in the global financial system collapses and with it the unnecessary element in the market exchange - shareholders.

<< people will increasingly be exchanging services in barter as confidence in the global financial system collapses and with it the unnecessary element in the market exchange - shareholders. >>
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I agree with this. As we go deeper into the recession/depression people will trend toward cottage industry and small community groups where they can exchange/barter for their daily needs.

It's a good system that worked well in the past. I'm not saying it will be a system that the western world would take on long term, but at least until paper money loses its appeal, or loses its position in the scheme of things.

It might be fanciful, but I can see us going back to small communities where we pull together more, where we help and support each other.

The planet can no longer support the wastefulness that we have got used to over the last 50 years. The throw away world of today will be replaced by a recycle/reuse world. We might even start making things that can be fixed when they break down instead of being dumped into third world countries.

One thing for sure, we can't keep going/growing as we have been.