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Re: Pretext for war with Iran
Reply #45 - Nov 30^th, 2011 at 11:02pm

Grey wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 9:39pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 2:55pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 2:10pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 12:20pm:

Or South Koreans who have watched several Taepong Dong missiles fired into the sea in 'exercises'.

Or how about to Israelis who during Gulf War I, when Israel was a neutral country, sawl Haifa and Tel Aviv targetted by missile fire.

Yeah, no danger at all eh?

I ask you again Hicks. What would the US do if some religious crackpots knocked on the Presidents door and said they want their land back in the middle of NY just because it said in some old book written thousands of years ago that they used to live there ??

What do you think the reaction would be ?? Same as the arabs eh Wink

Bullshit nails......that is one of the most incredible misrepresentations of the Israeli/Arab conflict I've ever seen....

I agree, polite requests weren't part of the Zionist agenda.

It doesn't actually have anything to do with Zionists...The errors are two...

1) The believe that the jewish people hadn't lived there for thousands of years......When in fact there had been a jewish population in what was Israel, Samaria and Galilee since before the Romans arrived, and a good percentage never left, right up until the delcaration of thhe modern state of Israel.

2) It had never been the country of what are now know as palestinians...
From the period of about 568 BC (or BCE for the politically correct) up until 1948, those lands and the people living in them had been ruled over by a succession of foreign conquerors including the Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Crusaders, Eygptian Mamluks, Ottoman Turks and lastly, the British Empire.......So precisely WHO was the land stolen from????

Bear in mind also, that from the time the Roman Emperor Hadrian renamed the place Palaestina in 131 AD, up until 1948...everyone living there was 'offically' a Palestinian, including Jews, Christians, Romans and Philistine Greeks, and most of the current Arab Palestinians are of the very same ethnic group as the original Jewish people...

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Re: Pretext for war with Iran
Reply #46 - Dec 1^st, 2011 at 12:08am

If the Jews attack Iran they'll have to endure over 3 months of rocket attacks
from Hezobollah in Lebanon.
Hezbollah has 40,000 Iranian rockets aimed at Israel ready to fire if Iran is attacked.
That's enough for over 400 a day for 3 months.

The chance of Israel succeeding to knock out Iranian nuclear facilities is low.
Their planes might even get shot down in large numbers.
It could be Israel's biggest defeat yet.
Also Israel couldn't risk a nuclear strike as Iran may already have a working nuke
& strike back with devastating consequences.
Remember it only takes one nuke & Tel Aviv is finished & so is Israel.
Of course that would then be the end of Iran but I don't think those crazy Muslims care about it.
They love war & death.

Therefore the only solution for Israel is to neutralise the threat of Lebanon first
by blitzkreig tactics in a quick lightening war to get rid of their missiles then -
attack Iran's nuclear facilities.
Since the last war in Lebanon the Israelis must have been watching Lebanon very closely
by satelite & other means to locate any missile sites.
They should by now have better tactics to destroy them quickly - before it gets out
of hand like the last time when Lebanon fired at will against them.

Bobby's opinion - expect a double attack from Israel- one following the other
in the near future.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Pretext for war with Iran Reply #47 - Dec 1^st, 2011 at 1:35am not nice reading , really. Everyone has an opinion. Only one mentioned Pakistan. Off-topic? Maybe. The very deliberate act by Pakistan to reject the US (get that sh.t outo'here), and very publicly declare for China, following Obama's Pacific tour,!! is much more significant IMO.
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Re: Pretext for war with Iran
Reply #49 - Dec 1^st, 2011 at 5:29am

Emma wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 1:35am:

not nice reading , really.

Everyone has an opinion.

Only one mentioned Pakistan. Off-topic? Maybe.

The very deliberate act by Pakistan to reject the US (get that sh.t outo'here), and very publicly declare for China,
following Obama's Pacific tour,!!
is much more significant IMO. Huh

I'm sure that there is no other country (probably lots, actually) that America would like to see wiped out than Pakistan.

The only problem is that they only ever take on soft targets, and fighting Pakistan right now, considering the cost, is not on their agenda.

That war would be too difficult for America to stomach, loss of life and money etc. considering their economic position at the moment.

They mistakenly thought that Afghanistan would be a quicky, but it turned out to be a drag on their finances and emotions Embarrassed

The one thing that we can be certain of is that there will be a 'new' war starting very soon. Some reports are saying before Christmas and that's three weeks away.

Jalane, convince me why it might be Pakistan. I would love to see America take on a tough opponent for once.

I hate war, but while ever we have an America we must have continuous war.....not my fault, all I can do is live with it and convince as many people as possible not to get involved, unless someone is attacking our homeland of course.

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toots Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146	Re: Pretext for war with Iran Reply #50 - Dec 1^st, 2011 at 8:13am It brings back memories of 1979 when 50 US diplomats and staff were held for more than 400 days. Every western country should withdraw and quickly before it's too late.
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Re: Pretext for war with Iran
Reply #51 - Dec 1^st, 2011 at 10:09am

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 12:08am:

If the Jews attack Iran they'll have to endure over 3 months of rocket attacks
from Hezobollah in Lebanon.
Hezbollah has 40,000 Iranian rockets aimed at Israel ready to fire if Iran is attacked.
That's enough for over 400 a day for 3 months.

The chance of Israel succeeding to knock out Iranian nuclear facilities is low.
Their planes might even get shot down in large numbers.
It could be Israel's biggest defeat yet.
Also Israel couldn't risk a nuclear strike as Iran may already have a working nuke
& strike back with devastating consequences.
Remember it only takes one nuke & Tel Aviv is finished & so is Israel.
Of course that would then be the end of Iran but I don't think those crazy Muslims care about it.
They love war & death.

Therefore the only solution for Israel is to neutralise the threat of Lebanon first
by blitzkreig tactics in a quick lightening war to get rid of their missiles then -
attack Iran's nuclear facilities.
Since the last war in Lebanon the Israelis must have been watching Lebanon very closely
by satelite & other means to locate any missile sites.
They should by now have better tactics to destroy them quickly - before it gets out
of hand like the last time when Lebanon fired at will against them.

Bobby's opinion - expect a double attack from Israel- one following the other
in the near future.

Are you psychic, Bobby?

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1608723/Israel-exchanges-rocketfire-with-sout...

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Re: Pretext for war with Iran
Reply #52 - Dec 1^st, 2011 at 10:24am

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 11:53am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 11:37am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 11:29am:

what's the bet the Iranian protesters are CIA operatives dressed up in the appropriate attire Wink

Nothing like a false flag operation to setup a pretext for war Wink

I always said that the next stop was going to be Iran and how convenient it is that Afghanistan is a neighbour of Iran. Ideal for a US military base Wink

There you have it. That is why they are still in Afghanistan Wink

Now you're starting to sound like Wharfy(it_is_the_light)....

So the invasion of Iraq was all about the Weapons of Mass Deception was it Cheesy

LOL

hey did anyone see where they found the remains of one of our lost airman from 1942 in France..they are also still digging up bombs dropped during WW11 in the Philippines.. they also just found WMD in Libya...

concidering the size of Iraq and the time he had to hide them.. I am still of the opinion they will come across them one day... so keep laughing sunshine.

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Re: Pretext for war with Iran
Reply #53 - Dec 1^st, 2011 at 12:08pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 10:09am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 12:08am:

If the Jews attack Iran they'll have to endure over 3 months of rocket attacks
from Hezobollah in Lebanon.
Hezbollah has 40,000 Iranian rockets aimed at Israel ready to fire if Iran is attacked.
That's enough for over 400 a day for 3 months.

The chance of Israel succeeding to knock out Iranian nuclear facilities is low.
Their planes might even get shot down in large numbers.
It could be Israel's biggest defeat yet.
Also Israel couldn't risk a nuclear strike as Iran may already have a working nuke
& strike back with devastating consequences.
Remember it only takes one nuke & Tel Aviv is finished & so is Israel.
Of course that would then be the end of Iran but I don't think those crazy Muslims care about it.
They love war & death.

Therefore the only solution for Israel is to neutralise the threat of Lebanon first
by blitzkreig tactics in a quick lightening war to get rid of their missiles then -
attack Iran's nuclear facilities.
Since the last war in Lebanon the Israelis must have been watching Lebanon very closely
by satelite & other means to locate any missile sites.
They should by now have better tactics to destroy them quickly - before it gets out
of hand like the last time when Lebanon fired at will against them.

Bobby's opinion - expect a double attack from Israel- one following the other
in the near future.

Are you psychic, Bobby?

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1608723/Israel-exchanges-rocketfire-with-sout...

No - but I have studied the Arab Israeli wars in great detail
& know how Israel has prevailed by attacking first.

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Re: Pretext for war with Iran
Reply #54 - Dec 1^st, 2011 at 8:03pm

Re: Pretext for war with Iran
Reply #49 - Today at 5:29am jalane33 wrote on Today at 1:35am:

not nice reading , really.

Everyone has an opinion.

Only one mentioned Pakistan. Off-topic? Maybe.

The very deliberate act by Pakistan to reject the US (get that sh.t outo'here), and very publicly declare for China,
following Obama's Pacific tour,!!
is much more significant IMO.

Pansi1951 said

I'm sure that there is no other country (probably lots, actually) that America would like to see wiped out than Pakistan.
The only problem is that they only ever take on soft targets, and fighting Pakistan right now, considering the cost, is not on their agenda.
That war would be too difficult for America to stomach, loss of life and money etc. considering their economic position at the moment.
They mistakenly thought that Afghanistan would be a quicky, but it turned out to be a drag on their finances and emotions
The one thing that we can be certain of is that there will be a 'new' war starting very soon. Some reports are saying before Christmas and that's three weeks away.

Jalane, convince me why it might be Pakistan. I would love to see America take on a tough opponent for once.

Sorry Pansii ..... no can do. It won't be Pakistan. Essentially I agree with your assessment.

Actually I'm hoping enough sabre-rattling has gone on - for now, that a little simmering and time-out may be in order.

The Brits are out of Iran, and have reciprocated by tossing out the Iranians.

America has virtually declared it is 'pulling it's head in' (well thats one way of interpreting Obama's Australian Foray.)

China has come out robustly, sending an envoy to Uganda, a Military General ( i think) - Al Ja... via SBS News

Also China has been quite subtle ... Roll Eyes

..it has been constructing the largest aircraft carrier 'ever' .. for some time now.
Now That's a message with many meanings !!!!

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Pretext for war with Iran Reply #55 - Dec 1^st, 2011 at 8:34pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 5:29am: The only problem is that they only ever take on soft targets, Yeak, like the british Empire, Spain, germany, Japan - all soft targets. I am convinced that you are stupid as a matter of tenacious, purposful policy.
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Pretext for war with Iran Reply #56 - Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:07pm I'm convinced you are just biologically incapable of positive thought.
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Re: Pretext for war with Iran
Reply #57 - Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:37pm

Emma wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:07pm:

I'm convinced you are just biologically incapable of positive thought.

Ain't I horrible? I have a nodding acquaintance with history and so I can tell when someone is completely devoid of any sense of it - therefore I am not thinking positively.

ALL shall have prizes! Ignorance shall not be a barrier to praise! Know nuffin'? Never mind! Have a prize! A complete mong? No matter, as long as you think positively!

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Pretext for war with Iran Reply #58 - Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:51pm poor sore soren I understand your pain. It doesn't look good.!
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