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Very strange murder case
Dec 2nd, 2011 at 5:42pm
 
the Gilham case.

Were there no pointers as to which brother was more capable of this act as well as having the stronger motive?

Wouldn't delving into the personalities of the siblings reveal more than how much smoke was in Christopher's system?

It's unfortunate that Christopher is not around to give his side of the happenings.

In any case, faced with this scene, any other person would have run out the house and reported the tragedy, not grabbed a knife and set to--

There have been cases where victims of robberies were jailed for taking the law into their hands - something about using more than reasonable force.

When one is being attacked, what force isn't reasonable?

In any case, as defendant, had Jeffry pleaded self defence?
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Reply #1 - Dec 2nd, 2011 at 5:45pm
 
Ok..I'll bite..is this some sort of riddle?   Cheesy
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Reply #2 - Dec 2nd, 2011 at 6:03pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Dec 2nd, 2011 at 5:45pm:
Ok..I'll bite..is this some sort of riddle?   Cheesy



I'll have a chomp, as well.

I'm not even going to try to work out where the "politics' is in the OP.

Cheesy
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This bizarre case was the subject of a recently-aired Australian Story episode - and my gut-feel was that the surviving family member had behaved strangely...

That said, the other son was not portrayed as all sweetness and light...

There was a suggestion in that show, to the effect that the mother had rushed home early from work shortly before the murders so that her husband wouldn't need to be at home alone with one of the sons...

Another strange aspect of this case, was that one of the sons had joked at a family meal/gathering that the two sons should bump their parents off for their $$$ (upon hearing of a US case in which that had occurred)...

My gut-feeling was that either or both of the sons was possibly inclined to committing the crime/s in question...

There were also issues over the estates of the parents - which triggered the sons' uncle to pursue the case...

Apparently, the investigating police were convinced of the surviving son's guilt - but that the DPP had initially been reluctant to pursue the case (until the uncle came forward and pushed)...

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Reply #4 - Dec 2nd, 2011 at 6:04pm
 
you on the right board saulty?????

I agree really strange none of it seems right but it wont change anything 3 lives gone in a horrible way.
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Media Watch did a segment on the coverage of the case in Australian Story...

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3358394.htm

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Reply #6 - Dec 2nd, 2011 at 6:34pm
 
Equitist wrote on Dec 2nd, 2011 at 6:16pm:
Media Watch did a segment on the coverage of the case in Australian Story...

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3358394.htm





what amazes me is that anyone now believes he will get an honest second trial..our system is dead weird... a story on the ABC.. and BINGO he gets his case reopened.

I think we are as much a victim of celebrity TV as America..

I saw the original show on this and like you nem this gentleman didnt act at all like a person who had been through hell and back..how you could c arry on life  almost normal and then goad a grandparent I will never know..

the uncle admit he believed him right through his first trial..but then later he saw a different person..can we also believe this person is putting on a show for everyone.even his family.[wife friends].I dont know I will be surprised if he gets a second trial though..he will walk free..

the family is dead. nothing will change that and they cannot speak for themselves..
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adelcrow wrote on Dec 2nd, 2011 at 5:45pm:
Ok..I'll bite..is this some sort of riddle?   Cheesy


Sorry to have wandered into the wrong section but I haven't yet posted on another.

Is acted out law so alien to politics?

Who makes the laws but political heavies, who at the moment, are arguing about legalising same-sex marriage?

I can't remember much about previous Gilham trials and hoped someone's input would help.

You wouldn't understand this, I'm afraid, Crow--

Sawrry!
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Equitist wrote on Dec 2nd, 2011 at 6:03pm:
This bizarre case was the subject of a recently-aired Australian Story episode - and my gut-feel was that the surviving family member had behaved strangely...

That said, the other son was not portrayed as all sweetness and light...

There was a suggestion in that show, to the effect that the mother had rushed home early from work shortly before the murders so that her husband wouldn't need to be at home alone with one of the sons...

Another strange aspect of this case, was that one of the sons had joked at a family meal/gathering that the two sons should bump their parents off for their $$$ (upon hearing of a US case in which that had occurred)...

My gut-feeling was that either or both of the sons was possibly inclined to committing the crime/s in question...

There were also issues over the estates of the parents - which triggered the sons' uncle to pursue the case...

Apparently, the investigating police were convinced of the surviving son's guilt - but that the DPP had initially been reluctant to pursue the case (until the uncle came forward and pushed)...



Thanks!
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Reply #9 - Dec 2nd, 2011 at 8:38pm
 


olde.sault wrote on Dec 2nd, 2011 at 8:16pm:
Thanks!




No wuckers - in case you're interested, here's links to the Australian Story Transcripts (there were 2 episodes): -

http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2011/s3341820.htm

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Bad Blood Part One - Transcript
PROGRAM TRANSCRIPT: Monday, 17 October , 2011

CAROLINE JONES: Hello, I’m Caroline Jones. Tonight - the notorious case of Jeffrey Gilham, in jail for life for the brutal and frenzied murders of his own parents. Gilham’s uncle Tony Gilham campaigned for more than a decade to put his nephew behind bars – and he remains convinced that justice has been served. Meanwhile, Jeffrey Gilham’s appeal against both his conviction and his sentence will be heard next month. Tonight we hear from both sides of this divided family, with Jeffrey Gilham’s wife and supporters speaking publicly for the first time.

(Excerpt from ABC News report, March 2009)
NEWSREADER: His uncle called him a psychopath. The judge called him cunning and evil. Today, fifteen years after he killed his parents and brother in their southern Sydney home, Jeffrey Gilham was sentenced to life behind bars.

[...]




http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2011/s3347011.htm

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Bad Blood Part Two - Transcript
PROGRAM TRANSCRIPT: Monday, 24 October , 2011



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BTW, Media Watch also posted the link to the original Sentencing/Judgement here: -

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/1139_sentence.pdf
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Reply #11 - Dec 2nd, 2011 at 8:42pm
 
Equitist do you not think it strange that the key scientific/forensic witness for the prosecution has changed his evidence?
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cods wrote on Dec 2nd, 2011 at 6:34pm:
Equitist wrote on Dec 2nd, 2011 at 6:16pm:
Media Watch did a segment on the coverage of the case in Australian Story...

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3358394.htm





what amazes me is that anyone now believes he will get an honest second trial..our system is dead weird... a story on the ABC.. and BINGO he gets his case reopened.

I think we are as much a victim of celebrity TV as America..

I saw the original show on this and like you nem this gentleman didnt act at all like a person who had been through hell and back..how you could c arry on life  almost normal and then goad a grandparent I will never know..

the uncle admit he believed him right through his first trial..but then later he saw a different person..can we also believe this person is putting on a show for everyone.even his family.[wife friends].I dont know I will be surprised if he gets a second trial though..he will walk free..

the family is dead. nothing will change that and they cannot speak for themselves..





Interesting comments, Cods - I concur.

The problem is, if this guy was control-freaky enough to be capable of killing 3 members of his own family (even the one he admits to), then it might only be a matter of time before he gets angry enough to lose the plot again...

This reminds me of a case of an acquaintance of a friend of a good friend of mine. This guy (the acquaintance) was out having dinner and drinks at a pub with a large group of people (including my friend) when his girlfriend did something to displease him. He basically yelled a threat that he would kill her, like he had done to his last girlfriend. The people at the gathering had been aware that his previous girlfriend had died but believed that the guy had not been pursued as a suspect in her death. They kept him there and called the cops, whereupon he was arrested. Creepy!

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blackadder wrote on Dec 2nd, 2011 at 8:42pm:
Equitist do you not think it strange that the key scientific/forensic witness for the prosecution has changed is evidence?




Of course I think it is strange - but why...and how does this fit in with the other evidence...!?

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http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/1139_sentence.pdf

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NEW SOUTH WALES SUPREME COURT

Criminal Law - sentence - murder of parents 15 years ago.

DECISION:
The offender is sentenced to life imprisonment on each of the charges of murder.

JUDGMENT:
HOWIE J

WEDNESDAY 11 MARCH 2009
2006/2766 REGINA v JEFFREY GILHAM


REMARKS ON SENTENCE

1 HIS HONOUR: The offender is to be sentenced for the murder of his parents in their home on 28
August 1993 after a jury convicted him of these offences on 28 November 2008. The facts surrounding these
killings, the death of the offender’s brother on the same evening and the history of the prosecution of these
offences are truly extraordinary. In April 1995 Mr Justice Abadee described the events surrounding the killings
as “a remarkable human drama”. That drama has continued to the present day.

2 At the outset it is important to bear in mind that the offender is being sentenced for the murder of his
parents. It is obvious now that both the investigating police and the prosecutor were duped at the time that the
offender was dealt with for the manslaughter of his brother. But that event has passed into history and has only
limited relevance, as I shall explain later. Of course it is impossible to consider the penalty for the killing of his
parents without considerable reference to the death of his brother, but I am not punishing the offender for that
killing. Nor am I in any way vindicating his brother who for 15 years was falsely accused of murdering his
parents. I do not accept the prosecutor’s submission that the objective seriousness of the killing of his parents
was aggravated by the fact that the offender falsely blamed the killings on his brother.

3 At the time of the killings the offender lived with his parents, who were in their 50’s, and his elder
brother in the family home in Woronora. The brother, Christopher, was aged 25 years and the offender 23. The
family was highly respected in the community. Both sons, and in particular the offender, were seen as role
models to those who knew the family as friends or neighbours because of their scholastic achievements, their
general exemplary behaviour and character, and their loving relationship with their parents.

4 The offender in particular was admired. He was a good looking, strongly built young man who had
marked success as a yachtsman. He was gregarious and popular not only within his own large circle of friends
but with acquaintances of his parents and neighbours. He was apparently the favoured son, at least of his father.
Christopher, however, was more withdrawn and sensitive, yet was not without his own friends arising mainly
from his interest in fencing. He did not have the striking appearance of his brother and was troubled with
difficulties in his eyesight. He spent much of his time in the family home using the computer.
5 In the early hours of the morning of 28 August, the offender’s parents and brother were savagely
stabbed to death and the house set on fire. At about 4.30am the offender came to a neighbour’s home raising the
alarm. He was dressed only in a pair of shorts and appeared to be in a highly distressed and emotional state. He
said that his brother had killed his parents and set them on fire. He admitted to having stabbed his brother to
death. The neighbour called emergency services. The offender in a halting and distracted manner told the
operator what had happened. So apparently deranged was the offender’s state of mind and so frantic was he to
assist his parents at the time, that at one stage he took hold of a small kitchen fire extinguisher and had to be
restrained from running outside to fight the fire. He then lay on the floor in a foetal position hugging a jumper
that had been brought to him.

6 Eventually he went out to where the fire brigade were in attendance but had to be taken away from the
house in order to stop him trying to enter the building. He even tried to prevent a fireman going toward the
house because he claimed there was a murderer inside. He appeared to be in a highly distressed and confused
state and was comforted by neighbours until the police arrived.

7 When firemen were able to enter the premises they found the charred remains of the offender’s father
facedown in the bedroom. An axe was near the bed. The body of the mother, also heavily burnt, was in the
lounge room lying on her back. Downstairs near his bedroom was the body of Christopher unaffected by fire.
He was lying on his back clothed in a short shave coat with a filleting knife propped against his body near his
left hand. He had multiple stab wounds to his torso in the chest area.

8 The offender was taken to the police station and interviewed by investigators. There dressed only in
shorts with a blanket around his shoulders the offender gave the following account almost in a whisper. He slept
in a boathouse separate from the main residence. He was asleep when he heard screams from his mother over
the intercom next to his bed that was connected to the lounge room of the main house. He got up put on a pair of
shorts and ran up the path to the house entering through the open glass sliding door into the dining area. There
he saw his brother standing over the body of his mother and about to set her on fire. His brother said that he had
killed his parents and then he lit his mother’s body.



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