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Re: Howard launches 'anti-warmist manual' for kids
Reply #60 - Dec 14th, 2011 at 11:06pm
 
qikvtec wrote on Dec 14th, 2011 at 10:44pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2011 at 10:24pm:
qikvtec wrote on Dec 14th, 2011 at 10:17pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:57pm:
qikvtec wrote on Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:50pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:43pm:
qikvtec wrote on Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:37pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 13th, 2011 at 10:16pm:
qikvtec wrote on Dec 13th, 2011 at 10:10pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 13th, 2011 at 10:02pm:
qikvtec wrote on Dec 13th, 2011 at 9:51pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 13th, 2011 at 9:46pm:
qikvtec wrote on Dec 13th, 2011 at 9:42pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 13th, 2011 at 9:40pm:
I am against using children to promote anyone's theories or beliefs regardless of wich side of politics they are from.....If Pilmer cannot convince the scientific community with peer reviewed scientific research then he is a fraud!!!

Angry


I'm sure he'll sell a few books.


If it is like his last book it will be full of errors and have very little to do with the truth.....However I am against pushing any ideology onto children including those of the left!!!

Angry


How would you educate them?


Without using unproven unreliable text that promotes an opinion not facts!!!



So would you advocate not discussing AGW at all?


If a student is in a science class and the cariculum includes AGW studies I would hope all sides of the argument where taught.....Using approved material that has been proven to be factual and tell the truth....Somehow I doubt Pilmers book meets that criteria!!!

Angry


That was my point.  He presents an alternative view; which happens to be in stark contrast to the balance of opinion. 


So you would have no problem with teachers pushing their own agenda in the classroom that has not been approved by the carriculum council???

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Much that is taught in school can't be proven without assumption; I have a very healthy contempt for the "education" system.


Well good for you....So you think teachers should be able to teach what ever they want then???

Roll Eyes


Not at all, but if you are going to present an accepted theory as fact you should at least present the contrarian view to let them make up their own mind.  Not much into brainwashing.



I agree....but the alternative view must be based on fact and be cleared by the carriculum council.....We cannot have teachers pushing their personal views onto children???

Roll Eyes


Curriculum Council is department of Education WA? We would have a similar animal here I'm sure, but never had much to do with the public system; private schools have significantly more discretion in the application of the guidelines as I understand it.

I'm not sure really where I stand on the teacher imparting their own flavour on things.



If I found out a teacher was pushing their own agenda onto my kids that was not in the carriculum I would be very angry.....How would you like it if a teacher started pushing something like gay rights or anti religious propaganda to your kids.....The problem is when you open the door to allowing personal views in teaching you cannot control what your children are being fed....If it is not approved it is not acceptable period!!!

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Re: Howard launches 'anti-warmist manual' for kids
Reply #61 - Dec 15th, 2011 at 10:37pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2011 at 11:06pm:
qikvtec wrote on Dec 14th, 2011 at 10:44pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2011 at 10:24pm:
qikvtec wrote on Dec 14th, 2011 at 10:17pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:57pm:
qikvtec wrote on Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:50pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:43pm:
qikvtec wrote on Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:37pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 13th, 2011 at 10:16pm:
qikvtec wrote on Dec 13th, 2011 at 10:10pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 13th, 2011 at 10:02pm:
qikvtec wrote on Dec 13th, 2011 at 9:51pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 13th, 2011 at 9:46pm:
qikvtec wrote on Dec 13th, 2011 at 9:42pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 13th, 2011 at 9:40pm:
I am against using children to promote anyone's theories or beliefs regardless of wich side of politics they are from.....If Pilmer cannot convince the scientific community with peer reviewed scientific research then he is a fraud!!!

Angry


I'm sure he'll sell a few books.


If it is like his last book it will be full of errors and have very little to do with the truth.....However I am against pushing any ideology onto children including those of the left!!!

Angry


How would you educate them?


Without using unproven unreliable text that promotes an opinion not facts!!!



So would you advocate not discussing AGW at all?


If a student is in a science class and the cariculum includes AGW studies I would hope all sides of the argument where taught.....Using approved material that has been proven to be factual and tell the truth....Somehow I doubt Pilmers book meets that criteria!!!

Angry


That was my point.  He presents an alternative view; which happens to be in stark contrast to the balance of opinion. 


So you would have no problem with teachers pushing their own agenda in the classroom that has not been approved by the carriculum council???

Roll Eyes


Much that is taught in school can't be proven without assumption; I have a very healthy contempt for the "education" system.


Well good for you....So you think teachers should be able to teach what ever they want then???

Roll Eyes


Not at all, but if you are going to present an accepted theory as fact you should at least present the contrarian view to let them make up their own mind.  Not much into brainwashing.



I agree....but the alternative view must be based on fact and be cleared by the carriculum council.....We cannot have teachers pushing their personal views onto children???

Roll Eyes


Curriculum Council is department of Education WA? We would have a similar animal here I'm sure, but never had much to do with the public system; private schools have significantly more discretion in the application of the guidelines as I understand it.

I'm not sure really where I stand on the teacher imparting their own flavour on things.



If I found out a teacher was pushing their own agenda onto my kids that was not in the carriculum I would be very angry.....How would you like it if a teacher started pushing something like gay rights or anti religious propaganda to your kids.....The problem is when you open the door to allowing personal views in teaching you cannot control what your children are being fed....If it is not approved it is not acceptable period!!!

Angry


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Reply #62 - Dec 15th, 2011 at 11:32pm
 
barnaby joe wrote on Dec 13th, 2011 at 2:41pm:
He also clarified why he went to the 2007 election promising an emissions trading scheme.

    * Energy white paper unveiled
    * Canada pulls out of Kyoto Protocol


"I proposed an emissions trading scheme and some people say, 'Well why on earth did you do that?'" he said.

"[It was] predicated on the rest of the world moving in the same direction and also predicated on a structure that would preserve the international competitiveness of those industries that gave our country a competitive trade advantage, it could do no harm."




Not what he was saying at the time - his own personal historical revision.
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Reply #63 - Dec 16th, 2011 at 6:23am
 
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Something is seriously amiss when the former prime minister, John Howard, asserts that parents should be concerned about "one-sided science" being taught in our schools.

Leave aside that Howard was endorsing a new children's book on climate change by Professor Ian Plimer, a geologist whose sceptical representations of climate science for adults seem driven more by a conservative ideology than a cool, even-handed appraisal of facts and evidence.

Of more concern is the misguided notion that science is somehow like politics or the law, with a left and right, or prosecution and defence. Scientific debate can be a bit like that at times when people differ on the interpretation of data but, as the saying goes, everyone is entitled to their own opinions but no one is entitled to their own facts.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/science-is-about-facts-not-ideology-20111...
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Personaly I think this was a very big mistake for Howard . To again have the  doubt that he could be standing next to an idiot.
History will not be good to Howard, Science IS about FACTS -  and he is disputing that . Big call.
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Reply #65 - Dec 16th, 2011 at 6:33am
 
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Personaly I think this was a very big mistake for Howard . To again have the  doubt that he could be standing next to an idiot.
History will not be good to Howard, Science IS about FACTS -  and he is disputing that . Big call.


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Reply #66 - Dec 16th, 2011 at 7:48am
 
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Something is seriously amiss when the former prime minister, John Howard, asserts that parents should be concerned about "one-sided science" being taught in our schools.

Leave aside that Howard was endorsing a new children's book on climate change by Professor Ian Plimer, a geologist whose sceptical representations of climate science for adults seem driven more by a conservative ideology than a cool, even-handed appraisal of facts and evidence.

Of more concern is the misguided notion that science is somehow like politics or the law, with a left and right, or prosecution and defence. Scientific debate can be a bit like that at times when people differ on the interpretation of data but, as the saying goes, everyone is entitled to their own opinions but no one is entitled to their own facts.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/science-is-about-facts-not-ideology-20111...

The leftist and to Howard, the progressive left, like to pretend that the science is in and there is no debate. Well the science is in on both sides, hence the balance of information should not be from the progressive left only.

Howard is obviously correct in wanting balance where there is none.
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Reply #67 - Dec 16th, 2011 at 7:55am
 
FRED. wrote on Dec 16th, 2011 at 6:33am:
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Personaly I think this was a very big mistake for Howard . To again have the  doubt that he could be standing next to an idiot.
History will not be good to Howard, Science IS about FACTS -  and he is disputing that . Big call.


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Not in public they don't Fred.

It's all done behind closed and bolted doors.
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Reply #68 - Dec 16th, 2011 at 9:23am
 
They need to talk to children because everyone else knows they are full of carp.
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Reply #69 - Dec 16th, 2011 at 9:42am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 16th, 2011 at 9:23am:
They need to talk to children because everyone else knows they are full of carp.



Like this you mean.


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Reply #70 - Dec 16th, 2011 at 10:35am
 
Funny how the left scream about brainwashing kids even though the main culprits are their fellow ideologues.  Where's the 'peer review' of human biological differences?
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Reply #71 - Dec 16th, 2011 at 10:40am
 
... wrote on Dec 16th, 2011 at 10:35am:
Funny how the left scream about brainwashing kids even though the main culprits are their fellow ideologues.  Where's the 'peer review' of human biological differences? 

It is a nonsensical argument from the left to scream about someone on the right wanting to have input into the education of our kids, when it is the left/progressive left who have taken over the schooling of our kids.

The left cannot have it all, hence why there is argument for some balance.
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Reply #72 - Dec 16th, 2011 at 10:45am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Dec 16th, 2011 at 10:40am:
... wrote on Dec 16th, 2011 at 10:35am:
Funny how the left scream about brainwashing kids even though the main culprits are their fellow ideologues.  Where's the 'peer review' of human biological differences? 

It is a nonsensical argument from the left to scream about someone on the right wanting to have input into the education of our kids, when it is the left/progressive left who have taken over the schooling of our kids.

The left cannot have it all, hence why there is argument for some balance.


I can't see too many kids settling the issue in their own minds over one book.  However, spending 6 hours, 5 days a week with a teacher who has undertaken a compulsory 4 year leftwing indoctrination course, a.k.a.  teaching degree might have a touch more influence on the kids ideological bent.
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