Because Jihadwatch is a reputable news organisation?

Only an embicile would waste time trudging through the crap produced by Jihadwatch.

i find it weird that conservatives find it difficult to locate common ground with the muslims. though i certainly believe that the musselmen go too far, i'm not particularly a fan of the pornocracy that they deride and despise as well.

i had a discussion about this in north carolina this feburary with a british lawyer who is the head of the the british freedom party and the son of a traditionalist british catholic author called michael davies. i felt very privileged to meet him and we discussed our views on islam. while on the whole quite critical, there were many positive features about it that we agreed on.

i also find it absolutely bizarre (though not really) that western liberals and progressives so fervently defend islam. it many ways it represents (though whether the quran specifically prescribes many of its practices is beyond my actual knowledge, and probably nearly everybody else who mouths a vociferous, cocksure opinion on this subject) everything that they should loathe, and do, when it is coming out of the mouths of white, christian males. fortunately i am not a liberal at all so have little trouble commisserating with some of its more reactionary elements (though i'm not really a fan of it, especially within a western, ethnically european context).

i'm sure if islam was a primarily european religion distinctly associated with europe its progressive defenders would treat it with the same contempt they reserve for christianity, however.

... wrote on Dec 15^th, 2011 at 3:50pm:


Perhaps we're looking for a better way of life than the downward spiral that is Western secular democracy? Not everyone wants to run themselves into the ground becoming a slave to their own desires. 

... wrote on Dec 15^th, 2011 at 3:50pm:


Yes I think it does answer questions about the universe and about life. I think you are assuming too much about Islamic teachings, as they are certainly not pointless dogma, and do not contain contradictions. Islam is a very logical and complete structure for managing the affairs of human society, and for providing spiritual guidance on the nature of the universe.

... wrote on Dec 15^th, 2011 at 3:50pm:


It is out of solidarity with our people, humanity. No it is not part of a nationalist ethno-centric cult.

... wrote on Dec 15^th, 2011 at 3:50pm:


Being born into something does not excuse it, if it were wrong.

You are probably born into the misguided system of secular democracy, but that does not excuse you adhering to it. You have the choice to look for and find the truth.

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Oh I more than understand rejecting the western mainstream, but isn't it just a touch 'convenient' that the 'true path' is already nicely laid out for you, and is already practised by a billion or more people?  Sounds like the easy way out to me.

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It still doesn't allow much in the way of personal, free thought.  Finding your own answers isn't going to happen when you've alreday got them handily proscribed in a 1000+ year old book.

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LOL.  If you're ready to have another crack at that one, with more than empty platitudes, then I will listen.  You already touched on it in you first answer - it's not out of solidarity with humnaity, it's a tanty against western life. 

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You really think I adhere to the system of secular democracy?  I'd change most things if I could, but accepting a pre-made alternative doesn't seem rigorous enough.  Just becasue it's different, doesn't mean it's right.

Yadda wrote on Dec 19^th, 2011 at 10:23am:


So does your own Bible. why do you keep ignoring this fact? The Bible clearly states that YHWH commanded Moses (pbuh) to obliterate entire peoples and to take their virgin women only (all non-virgin women must be slaughtered too, along with male children) for themselves. In your belief is not Jesus (pbuh) the YHWH of the Bible? Do you not worship this figure that you believe is YHWH and is Jesus (pbuh)? And that commanded the capturing of hundreds of thousands of virgin girls for concubinage?

Until you're willing to actually provide an actual answer to this point, then anything you state is just nonsense. Anything you state is not even taken notice of, since you refuse outright to reconcile your own book's not just acceptance of this practice, but COMMAND of it!

You can have credibility in any discussion on this topic, until you can address this issue. You cannot be taken seriously at all, until you can address this issue in light of the Bible.

Either you too accept this practice, or you need to call your own god a liar and a criminal.

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 19^th, 2011 at 7:57pm:




Abu,

So, do you think that Allah will give you and 'the brothers' your own private harems, when the brothers rule Oz ?

I assume this will occur after your ISLAMISTS brothers have 'lawfully' murdered the menfolk of those women - as per in the OT bible no doubt ?

LOL

Dictionary
harem = the separate part of a Muslim household reserved for wives, concubines, and female servants.

Good luck to you Abu [...not really].

LOL

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By the way, i couldn't find that bible verse which you alluded to, ....regarding YHWH commanding the Hebrews to capture 'hundreds of thousands of virgin girls for concubinage'.






Deuteronomy 20:10
When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.
11  And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.
12  And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:
13  And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
14  But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.


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Abu,

As per usual, you [and all moslems] seem TO WANT TO BELIEVE that the law of Moses, in the OT Bible, broadly condones, a behaviour in man, which ISLAM itself seeks to 'legitimise' [i.e. 'religiously' sanctified brigandry].

But a close examination of what Moses law REALLY endorses, show that that ISLAMIC assumption, is clearly WRONG.

What Moses law [recorded 3,400 years ago] really endorses and promotes, is ethical behaviour, in a community of men [yes, including sometimes SEVERE punishment of wrongdoers].

e.g.
Compare what is 'lawful' regards captive women within ISLAM, with what was lawful within Moses law, regards captive women....

Deuteronomy 21:10
When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,
11  And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
12  Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
13  And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.
14  And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.

n.b. the words.....



and...



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The Hebrew man, if he no longer has a desire for his beautiful wife [a captive of war],
....he must release her.

He must, give her her freedom.

Because in those OT Biblical times, the concept of a free woman was not unusual.


But there is no parallel to this provision, within ISLAMIC law.

Why not ???

Because, within a devout moslem community the concept of a 'free' woman is absurd.

Within a devout moslem community a woman, all women, are the property of some man, ALWAYS.



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Abu,

Regards your charge, that God in the OT bible commanded the Hebrews to.....

'....to obliterate entire peoples'

....

That is true, relating to certain peoples - 'namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites'.

But God [YHWH] commanded the Hebrew people [his covenant people] to kill and destroy those particular people, because of the wickedness of those people, and because of how those people behaved [e.g. murder, rape, incest, infanticide, etc.].

Leviticus 18:24
Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25  And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26  Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27  (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
28  That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.


Deuteronomy 20:16
But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
17  But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
18  That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.

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God DID NOT command the Hebrew people [his covenant people] to kill those peoples, BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT HEBREWS.



And all those things were recorded as happening around 3,400 years ago, in another age.

And the destruction of those peoples were commanded for one purpose....

To cleanse a holy land, of the wickedness of its inhabitants.

Those actions were NOT commanded so that the Hebrew people may murder and enslave a people, and make a 'war booty' of a people, who were 'different' from themselves, nor was it because those peoples were not Hebrews [as moslems suppose, and promote].

e.g.
Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

Deuteronomy 10:17-19

For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger:

for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.



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But moslems today 'know' that they have a 'sanction' from their God, Allah, to enslave, and to make a 'war booty', of the peoples of the whole earth.
....especially, 'unbelieving' women.


Google,


Google;





"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Western culture is perverse and corrupt, to about the same extent that Eastern culture is perverse and corrupt. The methods vary but interestingly women provide the battleground for much of it.