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Reply #120 - Jan 25th, 2012 at 11:31pm
 
The global wormers will have to pray for guidance from their holy heros Bob Brown and Christine Milne.

Wind, solar, geothermal, now to cost a $1 trillion plus

There is a huge government sponsored push to establish huge wind farms and solar thermal and geothermal power in Australia.

Geothermal is moderately successful in places where the hot rock is relatively close to the surface of the planet. So far, it is a costly failure here.

Wind farms and solar thermal projects are expensive failures everywhere. Billions of dollars have been wasted.

There is no mention here, from anybody about nuclear energy, as almost every nation in the world except New Zealand and Australia are rushing into nuclear power.

Nobody except possibly a few of Bob Brown’s and Christine Milne’s followers can be stupid enough to believe that wind and solar can replace Australia’s coal fired power stations.

Malcolm Turnbull and some of his followers are as enthusiastic as ever to install an ETS and meddle with wind and solar.

Sensible people must ask the question why?

Of course the public will bear the cost of this dream world fantasy if it is attempted to be implemented.

What will be the next moronic fantasy of the Canberra Kremlin.

http://australianconservative.com/2010/08/wind-solar-geothermal-now-to-cost-a-1-...
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Reply #121 - Jan 25th, 2012 at 11:36pm
 
Bob Greens Communist Browns socialist tax to transfer money from the wealthy to the poor.

Carbon taxes energy production and technology:
more green nonsense


Gerard Jackson  BrookesNews.Com   Monday 1 March 2010

Greens argue that solar and wind power are genuine alternatives to centralised electricity generation. Therefore the long term effect of a carbon tax would be to substitute the latter for the former with little or no loss in production. Critics counter that these alternative energy sources are very inefficient and would require substantial subsidies. This approach leaves me somewhat bewildered. To argue that solar and wind are inefficient alternatives to coal-fired power stations because they are more costly is no argument at all.

The greens' response is to state that a carbon tax would have the effect of inducing greater efficiency while encouraging the development of new technologies. Our critics have remained silent in the face of this defence. No wonder considering that Professor Sinclair Davidson used a similar defence when defending a rise in the value of the Australian dollar. (Australia Will Survive the Greenback's Fall, Wall Street Journal, 9 November 2009).

We all know that a rise in the exchange rate has a similar effect as a direct tax on exports. A carbon tax has basically the same effect. Hence Davidson's efficiency argument against alternative energy is undermined by his own advice to Australian manufacturers to overcome the effect of a rising exchange rate by simply becoming more efficient, despite the fact that there is a strict limits to just how efficient a firm can be. Moreover, there is no reason whatsoever to assume that exporters have not already reached that limit. It is this kind of elasticity of thinking by our rightwing that has given the greens a free ride.

Let us now do what the critics have failed to do and that is examine the nature of the inefficiencies that would make alternative energy sources a complete economic disaster. First and foremost, solar energy is extremely dilute (wind* is also a form of solar energy). The maximum amount of solar energy striking the Earth under optimum conditions is just under 1Kw. (Optimum conditions are rare and could only be maintained for a short period.) This means that vast collecting areas are required, not to mention the colossal amounts of materials needed for the construction of collectors.

What this means in economic terms is that solar and wind involve massive diseconomies of scale. In plain English, unlike centralised power generation these so-called alternatives are marked by long run rising average costs of production. For those who think otherwise, they should bear in mind that solar and wind involve no indivisibilities to speak of. No indivisibilities means no economies of scale, a fact that even the critics have overlooked.

If we make the simple assumption (as do mainstream economists) of basically treating capital (the material means of production) as uniform wooden blocks that can be easily fitted together the situation will become much clearer. Firms — including power companies — will combine a number of blocks (capital) with labour and land in such away as to try and minimise their average costs of production.

Having done this the politicians now decides that it would be an absolutely spiffing idea to upset the whole capital structure by imposing a carbon tax with the intention of totally destroying certain factor combinations, meaning coal-fired power stations, so as to replace them with solar and wind. But because of the extremely dilute nature of solar energy many more blocks (capital) are need to produce the same output.

As it takes x number of blocks and y amount of land for a coal-fired power station to produce z amount of power and, say, 20x and 1000y (this is no exaggeration) for a solar plant to produce the same amount of power it becomes crystal clear why solar is grossly inefficient. Actually, the situation would be even worse. A determined switch to solar power would quickly deliver a double whammy to the economy. The first effect would be to drain away masses of capital which in turn would deprive industry of investment funds. This would be swiftly followed by a devastating rise in energy costs that would savage the economy and slash the standard of living.

Actually it would not reach this state of affairs because the damaging effects of the attempted switch would quickly make themselves felt long before the process could be completed, as the case of Spain amply demonstrates. We can therefore conclude that given the insurmountable natural limitation that solar power diluteness presents it is a physical impossibility for solar to satisfy Australia's electricity needs, or that of any advanced economy, a fact that critics have so far failed to note. (Of course, the situation would be different if the average standard of living was reduced to that of a medieval peasant.) It is also clear that there is absolutely no way in this universe that the barrier of diluteness can be overcome, unless greens think they can repeal the first law of thermodynamics.

If critics of the carbon tax want to make a greater impact they must do all within their power to inform the public of the insuperable problems that afflict so-called alternative energy sources. They must also stress the massive social and economic costs of these alternatives. So far they have failed to do both.

Technology and taxes

The idea that raising the cost of energy will induce the emergence of new technologies could only be proposed by people completely ignorant of economic history and the history of technology. I cannot think of a single instance of this happening. Taken to its logical conclusion we can argue that the Romans would have developed the steam engine — if not the car — if only the emperors had have had the foresight to put a heavy tax on horses and bullocks. (Horses were so inefficiently harnessed in ancient times that they where not even used in agriculture.) And if taxes are all that is needed to bring about technological progress why haven't heavy petrol taxes in Europe led to new transport technologies?

Note: Rather than make several brief comments on the nature of technological progress allow me to refer the reader to the following highly informative works:

A Short History of Technology: From the Earliest Times to A.D. 1900, T. K. Derry and Trevor I. Williams, Dover Publications, 1993

The Economic Laws of Scientific Research, Terence Kealey, Macmillan Press LTD, 1996

The Mediveval Machine: The Industrial Revolution of the Middle Ages, Jean Gimpel, Pimlico 1993.

The Sources of Invention, John Jewkes, David Sawers, Richard Stillerman, Macmillan & Co. LTD, 1958

Ordeal by Planning, John Jewkes, Macmillan & Co. LTD, 1948

A History of Mechanical Inventions, Abbott Payson Usher, Dover Publications, Inc. 1982

Technical Change: The United States and Britain in the 19th Century, S. B. Saul, Methuen & Co LTD, 1976

Science Technology and Economic Growth in the Eighteenth Century, A. E. Musson, Saul, Methuen & Co LTD, 1972

Forbes: Greatest Technology Stories, Jeffrey Young, John Wiley & Sons, Inc. 1998

Then there is Fernand Braudel's monumental three volume work:

The Structures of Everyday Life: Civilization and Capitalism, Volume 1.

The Wheels of Commerce: Civilization and Capitalism 15th-18th Century, Volume 2.

The Perspective of the World: and Capitalism 15th-18th Century, Volume 3.

(All three volumes published by Phoenix Press, 1988. Unfortunately, Braudel, a former Marxist, was not a very good economist. Nevertheless, these works are of considerable intellectual value).

*Wind has a maximum efficiency of 59.3 per cent. This is called the Betz limit. In addition, wind power is severely restricted by the third power, meaning that small changes in wind velocity result in large disproportionate changes in output.

http://brookesnews.com/100103alternativenergy.html
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Reply #122 - Jan 25th, 2012 at 11:39pm
 
And you all know how great the EuroZone is.

Green lessons from Europe

Viv Forbes

While the Rudd climate regiment is stuck in Copenhagen, achieving not much, they should look beyond their posh hotel for some lessons in energy generation.

First, slip over to France and note how these wily promoters of carbon rationing rely on nuclear power for 76% of their own energy.

Then visit UK and observe the frenzied construction of coal mines and nuclear power stations to prevent future blackouts caused by UK’s silly dalliance with costly and unreliable wind farms.

Don’t miss out on Spain where the cost of subsidising green energy has created a financial crisis and destroyed 2.2 real jobs for every green job “created”.

They could also visit Scandinavia, which relies heavily on hydro power, or Iceland, where geothermal power is easily harnessed. No wonder these countries are relaxed about imposing carbon Ration-N-Tax Schemes on the rest of us.

A quick trip to Moscow could reveal how the cunning Russians, despite their well known scepticism about the west’s thermomania, have managed to trick Europe into buying huge quantities of gas together with the millions of emissions permits needed to burn it. Boris loves the ETS.

Just next door in Germany, Minister Wong could find out how the Greens have left Germany dangerously reliant on Russian gas. The German gamble with alternate energy has produced little power and no environmental benefits at great cost.

Finally, without leaving Copenhagen, Mr Rudd could easily discover how the forests of Danish windmills have produced little useful power and large financial losses for the suffering Danes. Freezing Copenhagen is heated mainly by imported electricity.

This short European trip will illustrate the stupidity of Australia promoting a carbon Ration-N-Tax Scheme and dreaming that we can maintain our industry and our lifestyle on costly and totally unreliable alternate energy sources like wind and solar.

Viv Forbes is Chairman of the Carbon Sense Coalition, an Australian organisation which opposes pollution and waste of energy, and promotes rational carbon energy policies.

http://australianconservative.com/2009/12/green-lessons-from-europe/
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Reply #123 - Jan 25th, 2012 at 11:50pm
 
This all sounds very similar to the glorious globbledidook that poured forth from the various talking heads when global worming was still the fashion.

Tilting at Windmills

By Nicole Russell on 3.1.10 @ 6:06AM

The dubious turbine industry.

You know the saying: Ignorance is bliss. Unfortunately for the American taxpayer, when it comes to the wind turbine industry, ignorance is not as blissful as it is infuriating. According to a new report by the Investigative Reporting Workshop (in coordination with ABC's World News with Diane Sawyer and the Watchdog Institute), Obama can now add wind turbines to his growing list of failures within the stimulus package.

Renewable energy industry is growing; wind turbines are a key avenue of that growth. Obama has said he would like to be a leader in clean energy but that the United States is struggling to make this goal a reality. He's right, but that's only half the story. The Workshop reports that $2.1 billion in stimulus grants have been given to wind, solar and geothermal companies to make good on Obama's objective but almost 80% of those went to foreign companies. A bankrupt Australian company nabbed the largest grant so far-$178 million. With that, Babcock & Brown built "a Texas wind farm using turbines made by a Japanese company."

Even Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY), hardly a foe of Obama's stimulus package, was disappointed with the news that foreign companies were receiving-4 to 1-stimulus funds and jobs on renewable energy-related projects. In an interview with ABC News he said: "Very few jobs here, lots of jobs in China. That is not what I intended or any other legislator who voted for the stimulus intended...It is fine that the Chinese make them. But why don't we use the stimulus money to start building up an industry to build them here, that was the very point of the stimulus."

Of the 80% of stimulus grants going to wind facilities, the majority of those are turbines which prevail in popularity both with renewable energy advocates, professional and laymen alike. If the 4 to 1 ratio is frightening, never fear: According to StimulusWatch.org, several organizations around the country are receiving your tax dollars-I mean stimulus money-to fund large-scale wind turbine projects. The National Science Foundation is receiving $435,231 in grant money to work on a wind turbine project in Buford, Wyoming. Likewise, the Department of Energy received nearly $25 million to "design, construct, and ultimately have responsibility for the operation of the Large Wind Turbine Blade Test Facility" through the Massachusetts Clean Energy Center. According to the report, no jobs are being created through those projects.

While the stimulus funds for energy projects are creating little to no jobs in the United States, they number they produce overseas is maddening. Allow the numbers to illuminate: The Renewable Energy Policy Project did a study and estimated that for every 1 megawatt of wind energy that is developed, 4.3 jobs are created. There were about 1,219 turbines built by foreign-owned manufacturers which equates to 2,279.5 megawatts. If you crunch the Renewable Energy Policy Project's numbers, the installation of these turbines may have created as many as 6,838 manufacturing jobs -- anywhere but here.

Such news may cause taxpayers to pause and evaluate the cost-benefit ratio of the turbines. Estimates vary but some sources say it can cost $300,000 to transport the turbines and a 2007 estimate by Windustry reported that a commercial scale wind turbine cost $3.5 million installed.

If one wind turbine produces 1.8 megawatts of energy -- enough energy for 500 households per year -- and each household spends on average $2,150 on their energy bill per year, the turbine saves $1.75 million per year in energy. At a cost of $3.5 million installed, a wind turbine will have earned its proverbial keep in two years.

While the math works out, the economics still don't. Turbines are only entirely beneficial if American taxpayer dollars were given to companies here to give to American workers here to construct them and if they worked like a charm once they were built. Unfortunately, therein, as the Bard would say, lies the rub.

In Minnesota, for example, a state which spent $3.3 million on eleven wind turbines, but which regularly experiences cold, winter weather, discovered this year their turbines freeze up when it's freezing. Apparently the hydraulic fluid which propels the turbines was supposed to work in colder temperature but failed to. There's a plan in progress to heat the fluid but as Minnesota native Ed Morrissey of Hot Air  reported: "That will drastically reduce the net energy gain from each turbine, depending on how much heating the turbine fluid needs to stop congealing in the winter. Since cold weather here lasts anywhere from 4-6 months, that makes it mighty inefficient as an energy resource."

Blame could rest on the shoulder of the state on one side, the manufacturer on the other, and obviously this is an isolated incident. But if each American family only saves a few dollars every month after the wind turbines run efficiently and after they pay for themselves but their tax dollars were sent overseas for others to build them in the first place, is there a true cost benefit besides the warm, fuzzy feeling that we're all utilizing clean energy? Like his stimulus package, Obama's ideas work only if the theory is put into practice.

About the Author   Nicole Russell writes from Northern Virginia.
http://australianconservative.com/2010/03/tilting-at-windmills/

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Reply #124 - Jan 25th, 2012 at 11:55pm
 
This is a revision of what the more visionary political monitors knew anyway and what the mere mortals will gradually come to realize.

Gillard’s desperate carbon tax is really neo-socialist wealth redistribution


Bob Brown and Julia Gillard’s carbon tax is a monument to the irrationality that so often infects beleaguered governments. Rather than pursue considered policy processes that take into account the full potential impact on the nation, a government under pressure responds to trials with a haphazard approach.

Gillard’s government has already proved itself to be even more incompetent than its predecessor with a spectacular list of policy failures including the East Timor solution, the citizens’ assembly and the cash for clunkers scheme.

Two days ago, they released the details of their latest folly – a price on pollution called a carbon tax. Or that’s what they call it.

It is not a price on pollution or a tax on carbon. It is in fact a new tax on carbon dioxide; that colourless and odourless gas that is entirely necessary for life on Earth.

However, while carbon dioxide might be an important plant food, in this instance it has been declared the primary source of sustenance for Gillard’s big government.

To put it bluntly, the Gillard government has run out of your money to spend. They have raised the nation’s debt ceiling twice already and have borrowed hundreds of billions of dollars to pursue their wasteful programs. Even the socialist left faction of the Labor Party (of which Gillard is a member) knows that this cannot be allowed to continue. Left unchecked, national debt can bankrupt a nation or destroy a national currency within a very short time frame.

There are some notable examples of this malaise afflicting western European nations with Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland and Italy all unable or unlikely to pay their outstanding accounts.

Australia is a long way from that scenario but then again, so were these other countries when the decline set in.

Our national challenge is how to return the budget to surplus and start repaying Labor’s debt. Where the Coalition favours more prudent expenditure and smaller government, Labor simply wants to tax you more.

Their most recent foray into the world of big tax and neo-socialist wealth redistribution is their so-called carbon tax.

It will ensure that no family escapes the burden imposed by rising electricity, food and transport costs while doing absolutely nothing for the environment.

While the tax may directly apply to only 500 companies, the flow-on effects will impact every small business and every electricity user, while doing absolutely nothing for the environment.

We will see the disappearance of the single competitive advantage that Australia has over virtually every other nation – cheap coal-fired power, while doing absolutely nothing for the environment.

Gillard will in fact be closing down power stations in pursuit of some ridiculous and unviable green dream that we can fuel our industry and lifestyle through wind and sun power alone.

This fanciful ideal has been demonstrated as a green mirage in countries similarly afflicted by governments bound and blindfolded by the radical green agenda.

How can we believe that a brand new tax will leave us miraculously better off? How will exporting jobs and industry overseas make Australia a more prosperous and productive nation? How will exporting emissions save the world from the dreaded carbon dioxide?

The answer to all of this of course is that it won’t. This tax is a grab for your money, plain and simple. Gillard and her brethren in the Greens want to impose a tax that will grow in its rapacious voracity while bribing you to accept it in its early stages.

You can guarantee that in the years ahead, as her tax receipts grow, as industry departs our shores and more families struggle under the Gillard legacy, the one-off sweeteners will be forgotten.

They will be replaced by the bitterness of having been deceived and conned by the most irresponsible and untrustworthy government in Australia’s history.

Senator Cory Bernardi is the Shadow Parliamentary Secretary Assisting the Leader of the Opposition and a Senator for South Australia. This article is courtesy of his personal blog which can be found at http://www.corybernardi.com.
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Reply #125 - Feb 9th, 2012 at 7:51am
 
Even Prime Minister Bob
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Health fears over wind farms unite Coalition, Greens

by: Graham Lloyd, Environment editor   From:The Australian February 09, 2012 12:00AM

GREENS and Coalition senators have joined forces to demand the Gillard government immediately fund independent studies into the health impacts of wind turbines.

An amended motion calling on the government to adopt the recommendations of a Senate inquiry into the impact of wind farm developments on rural areas was passed without a vote, as only Labor was against the motion.

Before being accepted, the motion was amended to remove a call for an immediate moratorium on wind farm developments.

Negotiations are under way to have a similar motion put to the lower house this week.

Last year's Senate inquiry report said urgent, government-funded research should be undertaken into the potentially disastrous health impacts of wind farms on nearby residents.

The committee recommended that noise measurements be expanded to include low-frequency noise or infrasound. It also said new rules were needed on how close wind farms could be built to houses.


Victorian DLP senator John Madigan, who moved yesterday's motion, said he was pleased the Senate had noted the government's need to respond to the seven recommendations.

However, it was disappointing the call for a moratorium was removed from the motion, he said. "I've spoken to literally hundreds of people in Victoria and South Australia who have been steamrolled by wind farm proponents. These people are having serious health concerns ignored."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/health-fears-over-wind-farms-un...
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Reply #126 - Feb 9th, 2012 at 8:13am
 
juliar wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 7:51am:
Before being accepted, the motion was amended to remove a call for an immediate moratorium on wind farm developments.


Hard to fathom that someone is calling for a moratorium on wind farms (with no evidence of health impacts) yet the same people wont support a moratorium on Coal seam gas where there is plenty of evidence in the US of underground water contamination.

Get your priorities right.

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Reply #127 - Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:03pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 8:20pm:
The whole "NOISE" aspect is UTTER NONSENSE !

Unlike the "Landscape Guardians", "juliar" - and the REST of the TROGLODYTES - I have PHYSICALLY "been there"


These installations are (naturally) located in rural, VERY WINDY, locations

You cannot detect ANY noise from the turbines past 500 metres - due to the sound of the wind roaring through the trees

Yet people are believing ( ... in the case of http://hepburnwind.com.au/ ) they can hear them from one and half KILOMETRES away - over the sound of overnight freight lorries rumbling down the highway a kilometre away

The NEAREST neighbours ( ... a retired couple) have given the project their BLESSING - fron a KM away

The loudest WHINGER is one
Jan Perry - of " ...the Guardians"
- from near 2KM away







buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 21st, 2011 at 8:33am:
buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 12:40am:
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Now wind farm opponents have been handed victory on a plate. The Government’s new policy has three main elements:

the government will amend planning laws to give households power to veto wind turbines within two kilometres of their homes.

Turbines will also be banned in the Macedon and McHarg ranges, in the Yarra Valley, on the Mornington and Bellarine peninsulas, and within five kilometres of the Great Ocean Road and the Bass Coast.

And in changes that go further than the Coalition flagged in the policy it took to last year’s state election, turbines will also be prohibited within five kilometres of 21 Victorian regional centres.

Wind farms approved by Labor and not yet built will not be affected.

The Government claims that 92% of the state is still available for wind farm development, but the people who build them have a different view.

Pacific Hydro say that they will be pursuing opportunities elsewhere after completing current projects.


The Clean Energy Council estimated prior to the election that $3.6 billion worth of investments would not go ahead under the Coalition’s policy.


Make that up to $10 billion according to Giles Parkinson at Climate Spectator. Earlier Parkinson had written about the negativity coming from right-wing governments on climate change policy.[
b]

Barry O’Farrell is on record saying he doesn’t want any more wind farms built[/b]. The wind doesn’t blow so consistently in Queensland, so theoretically there should be opportunities in South Australia






New rules blamed for wind farm loss

September 01, 2011

A developer has scrapped plans for a wind farm project in south-west Victoria because of the State Government's new planning rules.

The company's managing director, David Shapiro, says it is now abandoning the development.

"The Victorian Government has changed the rules and as those rules stand now it simply wouldn't get through the planning framework," he said.

"Our reading of the situation is that really was the intention of Government to make development more difficult."
 



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-01/new-rules-blamed-for-wind-farm-loss/286583...

Mr Shapiro says the company is unlikely to launch new developments in Victoria.






The Planning Minister has said the new rules would not threaten investment in wind energy.






Mr "Planning" Minister ...
Investment is ALREADY leaving - in the BILLIONS

... to be welcomed with open arms, in South Australia - a state that BACKS investment in renewable, clean energy





I dropped by the Hepburn Wind site today, on the way to Melbourne, for Father's Day
I got out of the car, about 200 metres from the nearest turbine

I expected a gentle "hum" from this distance ...
But between the occassional bird noise - and a passing car -
GOLDEN SILENCE

The LOUDEST opponenent FROM where I was, lives over a kilometre FURTHER in the same direction - on the other side of the Daylesford-Ballan Road

She must be Superwoman, with that sort of hearing
 






This photo was  a FAKE ...



http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2010/12/02/1225964/789277-jan-perry-101202....

"It’s right at our front door" . . . Jan Perry, president of Landscape Guardians anti-wind farm group, at Leonards Hill, northeast of Melbourne, yesterday. Picture: Stuart McEvoy Source: The Australian


... set up by JAN PERRY ( ... of Landscape Guardians) 
and on the payroll of Peter Mitchell
, a founding chairman of the Moonie Oil Company and now chairman of Lowell Pty Ltd, which runs an investment fund focused on oil, coal seamgas and minerals.

and "The Australian" newspaper


Hepburn Wind has TWO turbines
NEITHER of which had been erected at the photo's time of publication

AND - underground exit cables










i



This is Jan Perry's LATEST bout of erratic behaviour ...
A sign in the window of a clothing and "nick-nack" shop she owns in Daylesford called "Kabuki"


...

It should be pointed out, she doesn't live "under 120m turbines" - but, rather, a kilometre and a half away
She is by no means the closest neighbour - but the ONLY complainer

SHE - and she ALONE - could have stopped the Hepburn Wind project under Ted Baillieu's anti-renewable energy legislation

Yet the REST of the community, COMBINED, couldn't stop a coal mine and ajoining coal-fired power plant



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Reply #128 - Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:29pm
 
You don't half have some nerve though Buzz.

If you want to live a certain way with the ecology and environmentalism - then do so.

The issue I have is - why do you want to try and enforce it onto me and how I live?

How about we accept we both have different priorities in life and I will live my way and you live yours?

I don't stop you.

Wind-farms, wave power, home solar systems - whatever floats your boat.
See - I am perfectly happy to allow you to do what you like?
Stop trying to tell people like me how to live if I want to fly in planes, drive a 5 liter car and run my air con all day.
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Reply #129 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 11:28am
 
Buzzo,

You are probably deaf as a flaming post and could not hear the noisy Bob Green Windy Farms if you sat on one !!!!!

How did you go about "listening" to the SUB-AUDIBLE (= at a freq too low for humans to hear) noise which is a major source of sickness complaints ?

A theory is that the whirlygig propellor, which is trying to fly the whole contraption to Wup Wup, creates vibrational disturbances to the HOLLOW support column which then acts like a GIGANTIC DIDGERIDOO and emits disturbing LOW FREQ noise which humans, even those with good hearing, can not hear.

One of the residents, in the tv video shown in an earlier post, adversely affected by the nearby Bob Green whizzing whirling monstrosities purchased a low freq monitor and it quite clearly showed a high level of low freq sound.

So Buzzo go and get your hearing checked first of all and then send an email to Prime Minister Bob Green of the Communist Browns and ask him why he is now so concerned about his whizzing wong dongs killing rural voters.

Be aware that, like humans, all Bob Green Windy Farms are not created equal and that different types of windy doodahs produce different types of human sickness disturbances. The ones at Daylesford are just 2 tiny mousepower units. Compare this to a big installation of, say, 30 or more of these whirling spinning creators of cacophonous clamor using big ratpower units.

I understand that it is deeply disturbing and anger empowering when your cherished beliefs are shown to be just self delusional rubbish.
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Reply #130 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 2:02pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:29pm:
You don't half have some nerve though Buzz.

If you want to live a certain way with the ecology and environmentalism - then do so.

The issue I have is - why do you want to try and enforce it onto me and how I live?

Stop trying to tell people like me how to live if I want to fly in planes, drive a 5 liter car and run my air con all day.





an OBVIOUS response ...

Could you contain the "fruits" of your irresponsible, self indugent lifestyle to your OWN "world" - I wouldn't have an issue

But you CAN'T

When you infect your OWN world with exessive carbon emissions - you infect EVERYONES

The Earth has but ONE atmosphere
It belongs to ALL of us
It's care is the RESPONSIBILITY of all of us






But you raise an interesting point ...
As the most "frequent flyers" - with the BIGGEST houses, the BIGGEST cars and the BIGGEST air-cons - "the rich" create the BIGGEST emission outputs and are, hence, the BIGGEST drivers of climate change


It is only fair that they should be the demographic that pays slightly more in the carbon pricing compensation arrangements


They CAN pay
They SHOULD pay
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Unless of course you are Chinese.

The world's worst polluter and who have stated they will not be paying.
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NSW Planning Minister Brad Hazzard recognizes the insidious health HAZARDS that the Global Worming Bob Brown Windy Farms pose for nearby residents. A triumph for people power !!! When will the compensation claims start ?

Government orders noise audit of wind farms
AAP February 20, 2012 2:01PM

NEW South Wales' three working Government-approved wind farms are to be audited, with residents claiming they make too much noise.

NSW Planning Minister Brad Hazzard says the decision to audit the three southern NSW farms follows ongoing complaints from local residents.

The three facilities in question are the Capital, Cullerin Range and Woodlawn farms near Canberra.

Mr Hazzard says previous investigations by his department found the farms were complying with noise limits, but residents continue to complain to Government.

"To address this, the NSW Government will engage an independent, specialist noise consultant to determine the issue," he said in a statement.

"The audit will also provide information on low-frequency noise from these wind farms to provide input into the finalisation of statewide wind farm guidelines."

Mr Hazzard says wind farms will play an important part in the state's energy future, but it is important the community has confidence they are operating in line with their consent conditions and are not diminishing people's lifestyles.


He says the planning department will also assess visual issues and the impact of the wind farms on flora and fauna.

Opposition Environment spokesman Luke Foley later accused the Government of "pandering to the flat-earthers" opposed to wind energy.

"All the signals the Government is sending out are hostile to the development of wind energy in this state," he said.

The audit is set to be completed by August.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/government-orders-noise-audit-of-wind-farms...
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Mr Hazzard says investigations by his department found the farms were complying with noise limits, but residents continue to complain to Government.

Opposition Environment spokesman Luke Foley later accused the Government of "pandering to the flat-earthers" opposed to wind energy.

"All the signals the Government is sending out are hostile to the development of wind energy in this state," he said.







GREAT names !




Hazard


1. A chance; an accident.
2. A chance of being injured or harmed; danger.
3. A possible source of danger: a fire hazard.


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longweekend58 wrote on Dec 19th, 2011 at 4:14pm:
Gist wrote on Dec 19th, 2011 at 3:38pm:
juliar wrote on Dec 19th, 2011 at 3:02pm:
Bob Brown windy farms a bit like the Labor party - a lot of noise but not much useful output.


Noisy wind farms breach environmental laws, according to submission to NSW Planning
AAP December 19, 2011 12:33PM


WIND farms are breaching NSW environmental laws with excessive noise causing sleep loss, stress and other health problems, it is claimed.


The claims are made in a submission to NSW Planning by a group opposed to plans for a wind farm in Flyers Creek, near Orange in the state's central west.

"There is a pattern of systematic non-compliance by wind farms with audible and inaudible noise going beyond agreed allowable limits," the report's author, rural GP and farmer Dr Alan Watts said.

"That has real impacts on the health of people living near turbines, such as sleep deprivation and stress."

Cabinet is meeting this week to consider guidelines that will determine the future of wind power in NSW.

About 20 applications for new farms have been put on hold while the government decides how to balance competing interests.

Lindsay Soutar, a campaigner for community group 100% Renewable, said the issue was a test of the government's credibility.

"It would be completely out of step with community opinion if Barry O'Farrell and his cabinet turn their back on wind power in NSW," she said.

"Decisions are being made right now that will affect the potential for thousands of new jobs and billions of dollars worth of investment in NSW."

But Dr Watts, a campaigner for the Flyers Creek Wind Turbine Awareness Group, said the government had a duty of care to people.

The group tested noise levels at the Capital Wind Farm near Lake George in NSW and found significant noise impacts above that predicted for the wind farm.

A report surmised the Flyers Creek wind farm would generate offensive noise, have a significant impact on residents and breach the NSW Protection of the Environment Operation Act.

"It is scandalous that it took the community to put in place and pay for the noise monitoring that has uncovered this systematic non-compliance by the wind industry," Dr Watts said.

"Wind farms should be strictly monitored.

"If they are unable to comply by producing excessive noise then they should be shut down and removed."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/noisy-wind-farms-breach-environ...


If they'd stopped their incessant whining when they were doing those tests the results would likely have shown no noise at all.

What kind of fool would publish information from a pressure group as gospel? What kind of fool would believe such rubbish?


and what kind of fool automatically dismisses it just because it comes from a lobby group?


yes and a report on four quarters produced no technical evidence to substantiate their ridiculous claims of excessive infrasonic sound pressure levels. It appeared the ones who were barking the loudest were the rich libbos that didn't want others to compete with and take profits away from their dirty fossil fool energy industries Sad
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