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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30068 Gender:	Re: Bob Brown Windy Farms too Noisy Reply #135 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 3:43pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 4:54pm: Unless of course you are Chinese. The world's worst polluter and who have stated they will not be paying. why not just tax the exports of dirty coal to china ?? That would make them pay And have you ever been to china lately ? It's filthy because of pollution
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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Bob Brown Windy Farms too Noisy Reply #136 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 3:47pm You lot ought to have more respect for Bobby, he is still in mourning over the death of his ex wife,Whitney.
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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30068 Gender:	Re: Bob Brown Windy Farms too Noisy Reply #137 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 3:56pm skippy. wrote on Feb 20^th, 2012 at 3:47pm: You lot ought to have more respect for Bobby, he is still in mourning over the death of his ex wife,Whitney. WTF !!
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Reply #138 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 3:57pm

Buzzo, Your reply is just meaningless rubbish !!!!

You have totally failed to address the TOPIC and just engaged in typical small minded Juliar Gillard style of selectively picking out tiny bits of the post and then adding some confused jumble of incoherence to this.

Really Buzzo, Labor will never pay you as a Labor Troll unless you dramatically improve your standards. Try to accept that your cherished beliefs may just be self delusional rubbish.

Try to understand that when you post this sort of unthinking emotional nonsense all you are telling everyone is that you agree with the post because you have no evidence to suggest otherwise - which is not surprising as it is now officially acknowledged by State Governments and by the Prime Minister Bob Brown of the Communist Greens that the Global Worming Bob Brown Windy Farms DO CAUSE damaging to health interference to nearby residences.

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Reply #139 - Feb 20^th, 2012 at 5:30pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2011 at 4:14pm:

Gist wrote on Dec 19^th, 2011 at 3:38pm:

juliar wrote on Dec 19^th, 2011 at 3:02pm:

Bob Brown windy farms a bit like the Labor party - a lot of noise but not much useful output.

Noisy wind farms breach environmental laws, according to submission to NSW Planning
AAP December 19, 2011 12:33PM

WIND farms are breaching NSW environmental laws with excessive noise causing sleep loss, stress and other health problems, it is claimed.

The claims are made in a submission to NSW Planning by a group opposed to plans for a wind farm in Flyers Creek, near Orange in the state's central west.

"There is a pattern of systematic non-compliance by wind farms with audible and inaudible noise going beyond agreed allowable limits," the report's author, rural GP and farmer Dr Alan Watts said.

"That has real impacts on the health of people living near turbines, such as sleep deprivation and stress."

Cabinet is meeting this week to consider guidelines that will determine the future of wind power in NSW.

About 20 applications for new farms have been put on hold while the government decides how to balance competing interests.

Lindsay Soutar, a campaigner for community group 100% Renewable, said the issue was a test of the government's credibility.

"It would be completely out of step with community opinion if Barry O'Farrell and his cabinet turn their back on wind power in NSW," she said.

"Decisions are being made right now that will affect the potential for thousands of new jobs and billions of dollars worth of investment in NSW."

But Dr Watts, a campaigner for the Flyers Creek Wind Turbine Awareness Group, said the government had a duty of care to people.

The group tested noise levels at the Capital Wind Farm near Lake George in NSW and found significant noise impacts above that predicted for the wind farm.

A report surmised the Flyers Creek wind farm would generate offensive noise, have a significant impact on residents and breach the NSW Protection of the Environment Operation Act.

"It is scandalous that it took the community to put in place and pay for the noise monitoring that has uncovered this systematic non-compliance by the wind industry," Dr Watts said.

"Wind farms should be strictly monitored.

"If they are unable to comply by producing excessive noise then they should be shut down and removed."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/noisy-wind-farms-breach-environ...

If they'd stopped their incessant whining when they were doing those tests the results would likely have shown no noise at all.

What kind of fool would publish information from a pressure group as gospel? What kind of fool would believe such rubbish?

and what kind of fool automatically dismisses it just because it comes from a lobby group?

Have you MET the lobby group ?

SOME of them still have STRAW on their floors !

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Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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Reply #140 - Feb 21^st, 2012 at 11:51am

Buzzo,

Why is it that the poor soul under the huge 120m whirling whooshing windy wingding CAN NOT SELL the property ?

Is it because that now many people have heard, and possibly experienced, the unbearable sub audible and audible health destroying vibrational emissions that exists around all windy farms ?

It is not only the highly irritating whoosh whoosh audible sound from the propeller but it is also the insidious sub audible vibration that occurs in the hollow vertical support column which is excited by the vibrations from the whirling propeller and acts like a huge organ pipe or didgeridoo. Be aware that the low freq sub audible emission can travel quite a long distance with only a small attenuation. Whales use this low freq technique to converse over very long distances. (I bet you pick on this sentence)

So perhaps it is not surprising that no one wants to move anywhere near a windy farm and that is why the property values plummet like Miss Gillard's polling.

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Reply #141 - Feb 21^st, 2012 at 12:32pm

juliar wrote on Feb 21^st, 2012 at 11:51am:

Buzzo,

Why is it that the poor soul under the huge 120m whirling whooshing windy wingding CAN NOT SELL the property ?

Perhaps, actually, putting it up for SALE may have helped ?

And Jan Perry DOESN'T live "underneath the turbine"
She lives a good
kilomete and a half away
- on the other side of a heavy transport route

There are a half dozen, or so, dwellings that are CLOSER - none of whose occupants have a problem

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Reply #142 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 1:17pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 16^th, 2012 at 1:12pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 8:29am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 11:03pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 8:20pm:

The whole "NOISE" aspect is UTTER NONSENSE !

Unlike the "Landscape Guardians", "juliar" - and the REST of the TROGLODYTES - I have PHYSICALLY "been there"

These installations are (naturally) located in rural, VERY WINDY, locations

You cannot detect ANY noise from the turbines past 500 metres - due to the sound of the wind roaring through the trees

Yet people are believing ( ... in the case of http://hepburnwind.com.au/ ) they can hear them from one and half KILOMETRES away - over the sound of overnight freight lorries rumbling down the highway a kilometre away

The NEAREST neighbours ( ... a retired couple) have given the project their BLESSING - fron a KM away

The loudest WHINGER is one
Jan Perry - of " ...the Guardians"
- from near 2KM away

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 21^st, 2011 at 8:33am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 5^th, 2011 at 12:40am:

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Now wind farm opponents have been handed victory on a plate. The Government’s new policy has three main elements:

the government will amend planning laws to give households power to veto wind turbines within two kilometres of their homes.

Turbines will also be banned in the Macedon and McHarg ranges, in the Yarra Valley, on the Mornington and Bellarine peninsulas, and within five kilometres of the Great Ocean Road and the Bass Coast.

And in changes that go further than the Coalition flagged in the policy it took to last year’s state election, turbines will also be prohibited within five kilometres of 21 Victorian regional centres.
Wind farms approved by Labor and not yet built will not be affected.

The Government claims that 92% of the state is still available for wind farm development, but the people who build them have a different view.

Pacific Hydro say that they will be pursuing opportunities elsewhere after completing current projects.

The Clean Energy Council estimated prior to the election that $3.6 billion worth of investments would not go ahead under the Coalition’s policy.

Make that up to $10 billion according to Giles Parkinson at Climate Spectator. Earlier Parkinson had written about the negativity coming from right-wing governments on climate change policy.

Barry O’Farrell is on record saying he doesn’t want any more wind farms built

The wind doesn’t blow so consistently in Queensland, so theoretically there should be opportunities in South Australia

New rules blamed for wind farm loss

September 01, 2011

A developer has scrapped plans for a wind farm project in south-west Victoria because of the State Government's new planning rules.

The company's managing director, David Shapiro, says it is now abandoning the development.

"The Victorian Government has changed the rules and as those rules stand now it simply wouldn't get through the planning framework," he said.

"Our reading of the situation is that really was the intention of Government to make development more difficult."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-01/new-rules-blamed-for-wind-farm-loss/286583...

Mr Shapiro says the company is unlikely to launch new developments in Victoria.

The Planning Minister has said the new rules would not threaten investment in wind energy.

Mr "Planning" Minister ...
Investment is ALREADY leaving - in the BILLIONS

... to be welcomed with open arms, in South Australia - a state that BACKS investment in renewable, clean energy

I dropped by the Hepburn Wind site today, on the way to Melbourne, for Father's Day
I got out of the car, about 200 metres from the nearest turbine

I expected a gentle "hum" from this distance ...
But between the occassional bird noise - and a passing car -
GOLDEN SILENCE

The LOUDEST opponenent FROM where I was, lives over a kilometre FURTHER in the same direction - on the other side of the Daylesford-Ballan Road

She must be Superwoman, with that sort of hearing

This photo was a FAKE ...

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2010/12/02/1225964/789277-jan-perry-101202....

"It’s right at our front door" . . . Jan Perry, president of Landscape Guardians anti-wind farm group, at Leonards Hill, northeast of Melbourne, yesterday. Picture: Stuart McEvoy Source: The Australian

... set up by JAN PERRY ( ... of Landscape Guardians) and on the payroll of Peter Mitchell
, a founding chairman of the Moonie Oil Company and now chairman of Lowell Pty Ltd, which runs an investment fund focused on oil, coal seamgas and minerals.

and "The Australian" newspaper

Hepburn Wind has TWO turbines
NEITHER of which had been erected at the photo's time of publication

AND - underground exit cables

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This is Jan Perry's LATEST bout of erratic behaviour ...
A sign in the window of a clothing and "nick-nack" shop she owns in Daylesford called "Kabuki"

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa322/buzzanddidj/kabuki.jpg

It should be pointed out, she doesn't live "under 120m turbines" - but, rather, a kilometre and a half away
She is by no means the closest neighbour - but the ONLY complainer

SHE - and she ALONE - could have stopped the Hepburn Wind project under Ted Baillieu's anti-renewable energy legislation

Yet the REST of the community, COMBINED, couldn't stop a coal mine and ajoining coal-fired power plant

http://baddevelopers.nfshost.com/Pics/PORTLAND/anglesea3.jpg

Wind turbines not a health problem, say Germans and Danes.

April 4, 2012

Over the past four years, claims have been made that large wind turbines cause a wide range of adverse health effects, including tinnitus, headaches and memory and balance problems.

In response to this, there have been 17 Inquiries around the world. All have concluded that there is no scientific evidence for the claims.

This has placed the opponents to wind power on very shaky ground
.

Now this ground has become even more unstable with the publication of a paper by a former energy economist and researcher, Neil Barrett. Barrett has had a long term interest in wind power since the first turbines were built in Europe in the 1970s. In 2006, he spent a week interviewing people living and working around two large wind farms in Germany . “At that time I heard nothing about any adverse health effects, said Barrett.

“Three months ago I contacted some of the people I met in 2006 and they confirmed that health effects from wind power are not a significant issue on the agenda in Germany. This is despite the fact that Germany has around 22,000 turbines in an area not a lot bigger than Victoria and much more highly populated.

“Intrigued by the difference between Australia and Europe, I decided to study the situation in both Germany and Denmark more closely. I wrote to MPs and examined over 100 websites of wind opponents, including 80 referred to in glowing terms by Germany’s main conservative newspaper, Der Spiegel.

“Denmark’s parliamentary spokesman on energy, Steen Gade, replied:

`The opponents to windpower in Denmark try to raise the issue of adverse health effects but with little success. It is just not an issue which has achieved much traction in this country. Windpower has strong public acceptance and a majority in parliament support the expansion of windpower capacity, both onshore and offshore’.

“And the Chief Whip for the Greens in the German parliament, Volker Beck, stated that: `Health effects are currently no issue in the debate about wind power in Germany’.

“Even more telling”, writes Barrett, “was the evidence from Wind opposition websites. Of the 80 opposition websites I examined, only 18 devote more than two lines to health effects and

not one of them refers to particular cases where individuals have claimed illness or moved away from the turbines. Nor could I locate any press reports of such events

http://yes2renewables.org/2012/04/04/wind-turbines-not-a-health-problem-say-germ...

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... there have been 17 Inquiries around the world.

http://yes2renewables.org/2012/02/08/wind-farms-health-17-reviews-of-evidence/

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Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Bob Brown Windy Farms too Noisy Reply #143 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 1:28pm IMO, these nut-bars opposed to wind-farms should be strapped to the blades of one for 48 hours. Useless, screaming, whinging 'nimbies', they deserve no less. Sounds like 'Cat' Bailleau has NFI, either....
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Reply #144 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:17pm

The loopy green delusional dreemers, now inspired by Senatrix Milne, may delude themselves anyway they like, but the ultimate death knell for the whoop whoop whirlygig windy turbines, which produce little but dead birds and bats and destroy the health of all those living nearby, is that the Coalition, after 2013, will most likely reduce or eliminate the Govt SUBSIDY for Windy FARMS.

Windy farms are simply uneconomic WITHOUT THE Govt SUBSIDY and are too EXPENSIVE to install, maintain, and repair because they don't produce enough profitable power output to cover all the costs WITHOUT THE NICE BIG FAT Govt SUBSIDY which is paid for by other profitable enterprises like mining and coal fired power generation.

Sad for the few investors in the 2 mouse power turbines at Daylesford when the tiny profits they imagine they see now suddenly turn into nasty red debts. The gearboxes are normally expected to need replacing after 5 years at a very high cost so poor old Daylesford residents will realize they have been conned into putting money into a permanently loss producing "investment" - sad but true.

This is to be expected because the Communist Greens stated aim is to reduce Australia to an impoverished primitive agrarian Communist country where everybody starves just like Nth Korea.

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Bob Brown Windy Farms too Noisy Reply #145 - Apr 16^th, 2012 at 7:45pm And neither, it seems, does a certain somebody else ^^^^
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