Did the Israelites 'vex' or oppress the strangers who were known as the Midianites do you think?

Actually, when some of the Israelites treated them mercifully, it's recorded "Yahweh" the "Man of war" god that you worship, demanded they be slaughtered, all except the little virgin girls of course.

Yadda wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 9:45am:




"But most people do not see."



Most people refuse to 'see'.

Most men choose, to refuse to acknowledge truth and 'light'.




John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 7:43pm:



No, no.

I can understand your logic and your counter argument Abu.

I can also see the flaw in your counter argument.

But can you?



Deuteronomy 9:4
Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.
5  Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
6  Understand therefore, that the LORD thy God giveth thee not this good land to possess it for thy righteousness; for thou art a stiffnecked people.

Who are the stiffnecked people Abu ?

The Jewish people?

But not moslems?

LOL





Numbers 23:9
For from the top of the rocks I see him, and from the hills I behold him: lo, the people shall dwell alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations.

Deuteronomy 7:6
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7  The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

Deuteronomy 14:2
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

Deuteronomy 32:8
When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
9  For the LORD'S portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.




Speaking of the Jewish people.....

Romans 2:24
For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
25  For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26  Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27  And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28  For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29  But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Romans 3:1
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2  Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
3  For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4  God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.



The Jewish people are flawed.

Their own scripture predicts their fall from their Gods' grace. [read the song of Moses, Deuteronomy 31:14 to Deuteronomy 32:47]

But willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly, they, the Jewish people are fulfilling their destiny, in the world today.




And Israel, the Jewish people, will be redeemed.


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Abu said,







Your label, our 'good people', the Jewish people, are God's workmen in the world.

God intended them to be a good example to mankind, he wanted the Hebrew people to lead mankind to [an understanding of] God.

They, the Jewish people, failed God in that task.

And in their failure, they, the Jewish people, are still God's workmen in the world.

The Jewish people, are still working out their destiny, as an 'example' to all of mankind, just not in the form of an 'example' as God would have liked. [again, the destiny of the Jewish people is set out in the song of Moses, Deuteronomy 31:14 to Deuteronomy 32:47]

1 Kings 9:6-9 ...every one that passeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss...Because they forsook the LORD their God,





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But you 'righteous' moslems.

Play your game.

Walk your path.

You too, you too, you too........are those stiffnecked people, who God hates.




Israel will repent, and they will be redeemed, by their God.

That is God's promise.

Joel 2:32
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered:.....

Romans 10:10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11  For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12  For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13  For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.


And on that day, who will you moslems call upon Abu?
.....you who persecute and murder God's people.



Google;
99 names of allah, deceiver



Play your game Abu.

And walk your path.

THAT, is your choice.

Thought so...

Oh well.

Anyway Yadda, if you're truly interested in the story of Abraham (pbuh) and the promise of the land to his descendants, then you should consider that the promise was made and ratified with Ishmael (pbuh), Isaac (pbuh) wasn't even born then, and that the only time any of his descendants ever ruled the land between the Nile and the Euphrates (the area the promise refers to) was under the Ishmaelite Arab Muslims.

No doubt the Jews later re-wrote half the story to suit themselves... but the underlying truth of it is still there.

So if indeed you are a true follower of the Bible, then you must recognise this fact. Even as a Christian, you should recognise that Palestinans are your fellow Christians. Why on earth would a Christian support the Jews against their own brother Christians? Answer: Because some butt head televangelist yankee who's funded by AIPAC told you to.

Because they speak Arabic they're not Christians?

You would've been one of those crusaders who slaughtered fellow Christians, because they spoke in the "wretched saracen tongue" wouldn't you?

Btw, the only name the Bible records Jesus (pbuh) as using for God is elah (the Aramaic pronunciation of Allah).

As I thought, you do not worship God, you worship Jewishness. Hence your belief a Jewish man was in fact god in human form. Hence your willingness to support Jews, who think you're nothing but useful cattle, against your own fellow Christians, merely because of the language they speak.

How about Spanish and Italian Christians? Or Greek Christians? They use words like Deus, Theos etc. for God. And in fact the word god itself is from the Germanic pagan deity gott. At least Arab Christians are using a name almost identical to that, which the Bible records Jesus (pbuh) as having used.

But this is all irrelevant to a worshipper of Jews isn't it? Your own Bible calls them vipers, and so it is that you worship the serpent.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 10^th, 2012 at 8:16pm:



Moses, Abraham did not exist, so how can you wipe out the Midianites when they also did not exist.