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Reply #15 - Jan 4th, 2012 at 12:06pm
 
... wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 11:11am:
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OMG! Wesley has turned into an Elvis impersonator!  Cheesy Cheesy

Dammit, I was getting used to typing "hoseboy"...  Grin Grin
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Reply #16 - Jan 4th, 2012 at 12:09pm
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 12:06pm:
Actually they are suspected illegal entrants until they set foot in a migration zone and then they are 'unlawful non-citizens' until proven otherwise.

The issue at hand which the activist propaganda cited fails to mention is that apart from the 'unlawful' means of entry the act of smuggling people past immigration controls is very dangerous and as seen recently deadly.

To apply for asylum and all the benefit therein a non-citizen needs to set foot in a migration zone.  The people traffickers know this, which is exactly why they demand high payments to transport people to the mainland, Xmas Island & Ashmore Reef territories would be easier, but because they are NOT AUST MIGRATION ZONES the mainland is targetted.

Territories such as Xmas Island & Ashmore Reef etc have therefore been excised from the Australian migration zone not to demonise asylum seekers as lying activists claim but to deter the unlawfull trafficking of non-citizens into Australia.

Hence the policy of off-shore processing where Asylum Seeker's bonifides can be verified without all the ambulance chasers like Burnside abusing the Australian legal system and choking the courts with never ending litigation and appeals.

Migration Law was enacted for many reasons.  Regulating who enters the country is common sense.  Flouting the law is unacceptable.


So if People smugglers had more luxury (sea-worthy) boats, it wouldnt be such a problem ?

ironically, its our policy of towing back seaworth vessels to international waters that make the people smugglers use the most dodgy boats they can find (so they wont be towed back out).


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Reply #17 - Jan 4th, 2012 at 12:17pm
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 12:09pm:
Swagman wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 12:06pm:
Actually they are suspected illegal entrants until they set foot in a migration zone and then they are 'unlawful non-citizens' until proven otherwise.

The issue at hand which the activist propaganda cited fails to mention is that apart from the 'unlawful' means of entry the act of smuggling people past immigration controls is very dangerous and as seen recently deadly.

To apply for asylum and all the benefit therein a non-citizen needs to set foot in a migration zone.  The people traffickers know this, which is exactly why they demand high payments to transport people to the mainland, Xmas Island & Ashmore Reef territories would be easier, but because they are NOT AUST MIGRATION ZONES the mainland is targetted.

Territories such as Xmas Island & Ashmore Reef etc have therefore been excised from the Australian migration zone not to demonise asylum seekers as lying activists claim but to deter the unlawfull trafficking of non-citizens into Australia.

Hence the policy of off-shore processing where Asylum Seeker's bonifides can be verified without all the ambulance chasers like Burnside abusing the Australian legal system and choking the courts with never ending litigation and appeals.

Migration Law was enacted for many reasons.  Regulating who enters the country is common sense.  Flouting the law is unacceptable.


So if People smugglers had more luxury (sea-worthy) boats, it wouldnt be such a problem ?


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Reply #18 - Jan 4th, 2012 at 12:39pm
 
... wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 11:11am:
Life_goes_on wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 11:05am:
The Asylum Seeker Assistance Scheme doesn't apply to people arriving by boat. It's only for people who have arrived with a visa who then seek a protection visa.



Yep, though it is frustrating trying to find a straight answer on what people are eligible for while in detention.  Most sources I can find say they are eligible for 'an undisclosed amount'.  another common dodge is saying they are not eligible for centrelink benfits, while not saying that they ARE eligible for benefits from the DIAC.I did find this though:

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A FAMILY of four asylum-seekers living on Christmas Island in community detention receives up to $1000 a fortnight from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC).
DIAC spokesman Sandi Logan said 33 asylum-seekers who had undergone health and security checks were living in houses in the community while awaiting outcomes of their visa applications.

A further 40 asylum-seekers, mostly family groups, women, children and those with special needs, are in alternative detention while 193 single men are detained at the Christmas Island Detention Centre.

Women and children are not housed in the detention centre itself, and instead live in alternative detention called the construction camp near the Poon Saan neighbourhood on the island.

Mr Logan said adults in community detention were given $100 cash and $360 in store credit, which can be used at one of two local stores, a fortnight to buy food and other items.



A family of two adults and two children would receive $300 cash and $766 store credit each fortnight, which is administered by the Red Cross.

There were no figures available for the number of families on the island.

Those under the age of 18 who were deemed unaccompanied minors in community detention receive $50 a week and each household consisting of up to five minors, who are looked after by a carer, is given $900 a week for food and supplies.

Mr Logan said those on community detention had to cook and buy their own food.

"We can't put them out in community detention and let them starve," he said.

Some chose to save their money and buy luxury items including sunglasses and MP3 players, and were entitled to do so, Mr Logan said.

Inside the detention centre, detainees have 20 internet terminals.

"There is also a telephone available in each of the (eight) compounds and they are issued with a phone card each week to make phone calls, it could be to their representatives, to friends or to others ...," Mr Logan said.

The calls are unrestricted and include international calls.

Mr Logan said the detainees are encouraged to participate in activities and are rewarded for attending English classes and helping out in the detention centre.

The reward system has been in place for some time in Australian detention centres, Mr Logan said.

Detainees are free to move around the inside of the detention centre, often playing cricket and soccer on the oval, but have a night-time curfew when they go back to their single rooms.

The centre was built by the Howard government at a cost of $400 million and is located on the remote corner of Christmas Island, an Australian territory 2,600km northwest of Perth.

More than 200 people including 38 DIAC staff are on the island to support the centre.

More than 130 asylum-seekers picked up in the interception of four boats since Saturday, including two today, will also be taken to Christmas Island. It is not known when they will arrive on the island.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/asylum-seekers-receive-payments/story-e6frfku0-1225705217900#ixzz1iRnMMSqK



I think its time the Government came "clean" and disclosed to the Australian tax payer exactly how much per week these boat people are getting or entitled to get.  Everything regarding costs and what these people are getting per week varies from agency to agency, and its time the whole "DIRTY" matter was revealed.

I don't believe politicians when they "flap-their-lip" anymore, I want them to provide evidence as a tax payer.
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Re: Get it right
Reply #19 - Jan 4th, 2012 at 12:49pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 10:52am:
Thanks.

While I am aware of most of that info I suspect it would be a surprise to a number here.

Funny thing is that although this info has been put up many times some of the people who comment on it will go back to posting the same foundless rubbish within a week or two.I think some like to say that refugees get more than pensioners even though they know it isn't true.


Sad, but true.

And too late, Can'o'Spam has already descended to those depths.

"..While being provided with food, board, ciggies, internet access.  In fact, it's hard to see what expenses they incur at all - can't see too many unemployed or pensioners being able to save $400 a fortnight, as they have to pay for all of these things out of their own pocket." (Spamboy)

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Reply #20 - Jan 4th, 2012 at 12:53pm
 
Gist wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 12:06pm:
... wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 11:11am:
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OMG! Wesley has turned into an Elvis impersonator!  Cheesy Cheesy

Dammit, I was getting used to typing "hoseboy"...  Grin Grin


Maybe you upset his sense of "Faux Patriotism"

Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #21 - Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:02pm
 
Nothing to add to the topic froggie?
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Reply #22 - Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:24pm
 
... wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:02pm:
Nothing to add to the topic froggie? 


If it amounts to the bile and bigotry you swamp the board with???

NO!!!


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Reply #23 - Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:30pm
 
Lobo wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:24pm:
... wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:02pm:
Nothing to add to the topic froggie? 


If it amounts to the bile and bigotry you swamp the board with???

NO!!!


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And here was me trying to discuss the topic.

Perhaps if you can't do the same, you should piss off?
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Reply #24 - Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:43pm
 
... wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:30pm:
Lobo wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:24pm:
... wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:02pm:
Nothing to add to the topic froggie? 


If it amounts to the bile and bigotry you swamp the board with???

NO!!!


Wink



And here was me trying to discuss the topic.

Perhaps if you can't do the same, you should piss off?


Since when were you commissioned into the Board Police??
Kitchens/heat...You know how it goes.

Maybe.....
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Reply #25 - Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:45pm
 
Lobo wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 12:49pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 10:52am:
Thanks.

While I am aware of most of that info I suspect it would be a surprise to a number here.

Funny thing is that although this info has been put up many times some of the people who comment on it will go back to posting the same foundless rubbish within a week or two.I think some like to say that refugees get more than pensioners even though they know it isn't true.


Sad, but true.

And too late, Can'o'Spam has already descended to those depths.

"..While being provided with food, board, ciggies, internet access.  In fact, it's hard to see what expenses they incur at all - can't see too many unemployed or pensioners being able to save $400 a fortnight, as they have to pay for all of these things out of their own pocket." (Spamboy)



Reprise!!
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Reply #26 - Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:46pm
 
Lobo wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:43pm:
... wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:30pm:
Lobo wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:24pm:
... wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:02pm:
Nothing to add to the topic froggie? 


If it amounts to the bile and bigotry you swamp the board with???

NO!!!


Wink



And here was me trying to discuss the topic.

Perhaps if you can't do the same, you should piss off?


Since when were you commissioned into the Board Police??
Kitchens/heat...You know how it goes.

Maybe.....
Smiley



Or we could just continue this childish tit-for-tat.  Not very interesting for anyone else though is it?
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Reply #27 - Jan 4th, 2012 at 1:47pm
 
Anyone who has an adverse decision made against them from an Australian officer of the Commonwealth has the right to appeal to the high court of Australia which is writen into our constitution.....You do not have to be an Australian citizen or a resident of Australia to be granted this right.....John Howard could not change the constitution so what he did was denied asylum seekers access to lawyers by sending them off shore and denying anyone access to their constitutional rights.....If you want to argue about this sh!t then at least know the law and the legal standing of asylum seekers.....Some of the claims made on these forums are total bullshit!!!

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Reply #28 - Jan 4th, 2012 at 2:35pm
 
So in summary:

Malaysia solution:  Send Asylum seeker who arrive by boat back to the country they came from, granting them no rights in Australia, and making the risky boat journey fruitless.

Off-shore processing:  Gives the Asylum seeker the right to apply for refugee status through the government department, but no right to appeal though the courts.  (Although recent high court ruling means this may no longer be true)

On-shore processing: Same as off-shore processing, however low-risk asylum seekers can be assimulated into the community (kids, women) and not in a jail like environment, but they can clog up the courts with apealls.

Dodgy Boats: People smugglers use decrepit old boats that are sabotaged so that they cannot be towed out of Australian waters, but have to be taken in by navy/coast guard/passing ship/nearest island for processing.
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Reply #29 - Jan 4th, 2012 at 2:47pm
 
____ wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 5:24am:
Fantastic post.


Thank you for educating us all and hopefully stop some here from consciously / unconsciously spreading mis-information.

There are quite a few war-mongers on this board: their only job description is to spread the hate and this is mostly achieved by muddying the waters of communication!

If good people are there to counter it it can never work of course but the attacks will be everpresent as conflict-that-results-in-war is in some peoples long-term vested interests....

It's all a game of chess: the good can't sit back and do nothing whilst the war-mongers try to convince the majority that hate-that-leads-to-war is worth shrugging your shoulders at--->>

because it isn't!


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