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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Get it right Reply #30 - Jan 4^th, 2012 at 2:52pm DOCUMENT SHOCK plays an important role in spreading the hate! MUDDYING THE WATERS OF COMMUNICATION is the only weapon the hate mongers have!!
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Re: Get it right
Reply #31 - Jan 4^th, 2012 at 2:55pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 2:47pm:

____ wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 5:24am:

Fantastic post.

Thank you for educating us all and hopefully stop some here from consciously / unconsciously spreading mis-information.

There are quite a few war-mongers on this board: their only job description is to spread the hate and this is mostly achieved by muddying the waters of communication!

If good people are there to counter it it can never work of course but the attacks will be everpresent as conflict-that-results-in-war is in some peoples long-term vested interests....

It's all a game of chess: the good can't sit back and do nothing whilst the war-mongers try to convince the majority that hate-that-leads-to-war is worth shrugging your shoulders at--->>

because it isn't!

bump, to help destroy the war-mongering propagandists momentum!

REMEMBER GOOD PEOPLE: MATCHING RHYTHMS IS BAD!

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Re: Get it right
Reply #32 - Jan 4^th, 2012 at 8:59pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

Anyone who has an adverse decision made against them from an Australian officer of the Commonwealth has the right to appeal to the high court of Australia which is writen into our constitution.....You do not have to be an Australian citizen or a resident of Australia to be granted this right.....John Howard could not change the constitution so what he did was denied asylum seekers access to lawyers by sending them off shore and denying anyone access to their constitutional rights.....If you want to argue about this sh!t then at least know the law and the legal standing of asylum seekers.....Some of the claims made on these forums are total bullshit!!!

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Reply #33 - Jan 4^th, 2012 at 9:22pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

Anyone who has an adverse decision made against them from an Australian officer of the Commonwealth has the right to appeal to the high court of Australia which is writen into our constitution.....You do not have to be an Australian citizen or a resident of Australia to be granted this right.....John Howard could not change the constitution so what he did was denied asylum seekers access to lawyers by sending them off shore and denying anyone access to their constitutional rights.....If you want to argue about this sh!t then at least know the law and the legal standing of asylum seekers.....Some of the claims made on these forums are total bullshit!!!

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That's the attitude that sees psycho killers let out on day release... Sad

WTF are you on about.....I am only stating facts about the constitution and people's individual rights....I am just stating facts not supporting anyone's agenda.....Would you rather not know the truth???

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Reply #34 - Jan 4^th, 2012 at 9:25pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

Anyone who has an adverse decision made against them from an Australian officer of the Commonwealth has the right to appeal to the high court of Australia which is writen into our constitution.....You do not have to be an Australian citizen or a resident of Australia to be granted this right.....John Howard could not change the constitution so what he did was denied asylum seekers access to lawyers by sending them off shore and denying anyone access to their constitutional rights.....If you want to argue about this sh!t then at least know the law and the legal standing of asylum seekers.....Some of the claims made on these forums are total bullshit!!!

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That's the attitude that sees psycho killers let out on day release... Sad

BTW.....I did not write the constitution!!!

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Reply #35 - Jan 4^th, 2012 at 9:50pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

Anyone who has an adverse decision made against them from an Australian officer of the Commonwealth has the right to appeal to the high court of Australia which is writen into our constitution.....You do not have to be an Australian citizen or a resident of Australia to be granted this right.....John Howard could not change the constitution so what he did was denied asylum seekers access to lawyers by sending them off shore and denying anyone access to their constitutional rights.....If you want to argue about this sh!t then at least know the law and the legal standing of asylum seekers.....Some of the claims made on these forums are total bullshit!!!

Roll Eyes

That's the attitude that sees psycho killers let out on day release... Sad

Could you point us to instances of asylum seeker psycho killers that were let out on day release? Just out of interest.

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Reply #36 - Jan 4^th, 2012 at 10:13pm

Gist wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 9:50pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

Anyone who has an adverse decision made against them from an Australian officer of the Commonwealth has the right to appeal to the high court of Australia which is writen into our constitution.....You do not have to be an Australian citizen or a resident of Australia to be granted this right.....John Howard could not change the constitution so what he did was denied asylum seekers access to lawyers by sending them off shore and denying anyone access to their constitutional rights.....If you want to argue about this sh!t then at least know the law and the legal standing of asylum seekers.....Some of the claims made on these forums are total bullshit!!!

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That's the attitude that sees psycho killers let out on day release... Sad

Could you point us to instances of asylum seeker psycho killers that were let out on day release? Just out of interest.

My point refers to this case.

The same attitude applies. This psycho murdered a guy, didn't go to jail and the idiots let him out on day release from which he didn't return and has since assaulted someone else. Sad

The constitution isn't designed to condone citizens or unlawful or lawful non-citizens breaking the law.

Maybe you could enlighten me why we bother regulating entry into Australia? Why bother having a Migration Act if any body can enter the country unrestricted? Why bother having any laws for that matter if you can commit offences and then hide behind the constitution? Sad

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Reply #37 - Jan 4^th, 2012 at 10:46pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 10:13pm:

Gist wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 9:50pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

Anyone who has an adverse decision made against them from an Australian officer of the Commonwealth has the right to appeal to the high court of Australia which is writen into our constitution.....You do not have to be an Australian citizen or a resident of Australia to be granted this right.....John Howard could not change the constitution so what he did was denied asylum seekers access to lawyers by sending them off shore and denying anyone access to their constitutional rights.....If you want to argue about this sh!t then at least know the law and the legal standing of asylum seekers.....Some of the claims made on these forums are total bullshit!!!

Roll Eyes

That's the attitude that sees psycho killers let out on day release... Sad

Could you point us to instances of asylum seeker psycho killers that were let out on day release? Just out of interest.

My point refers to this case.

The same attitude applies. This psycho murdered a guy, didn't go to jail and the idiots let him out on day release from which he didn't return and has since assaulted someone else. Sad

The constitution isn't designed to condone citizens or unlawful or lawful non-citizens breaking the law.

Maybe you could enlighten me why we bother regulating entry into Australia? Why bother having a Migration Act if any body can enter the country unrestricted? Why bother having any laws for that matter if you can commit offences and then hide behind the constitution? Sad

Just because you can appeal to the high court does not mean your appeal will be succesful or even be heard.....I am only pointing out the legal rights offered by the Australian constitution to anyone who has an advese decision made against them by an officer of the Australian Commonwealth......Most appeals would not even be considered unless their was a legal basis that would see the appeal being considered by the high court....Your concerns are based on your own ignorance of the law and what constitutes a valid appeal!!!

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Reply #38 - Jan 4^th, 2012 at 10:51pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 10:13pm:

Gist wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 9:50pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

Anyone who has an adverse decision made against them from an Australian officer of the Commonwealth has the right to appeal to the high court of Australia which is writen into our constitution.....You do not have to be an Australian citizen or a resident of Australia to be granted this right.....John Howard could not change the constitution so what he did was denied asylum seekers access to lawyers by sending them off shore and denying anyone access to their constitutional rights.....If you want to argue about this sh!t then at least know the law and the legal standing of asylum seekers.....Some of the claims made on these forums are total bullshit!!!

Roll Eyes

That's the attitude that sees psycho killers let out on day release... Sad

Could you point us to instances of asylum seeker psycho killers that were let out on day release? Just out of interest.

My point refers to this case.

The same attitude applies. This psycho murdered a guy, didn't go to jail and the idiots let him out on day release from which he didn't return and has since assaulted someone else. Sad

The constitution isn't designed to condone citizens or unlawful or lawful non-citizens breaking the law.

Maybe you could enlighten me why we bother regulating entry into Australia? Why bother having a Migration Act if any body can enter the country unrestricted? Why bother having any laws for that matter if you can commit offences and then hide behind the constitution? Sad

The case you refer to has nothing to do with any appeal to the high court of Australia and is a local legal ruling based on an individual case....Common law is based on case history and legal precidents already set out by the court!!!

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Reply #39 - Jan 4^th, 2012 at 11:10pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 10:13pm:

Gist wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 9:50pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

Anyone who has an adverse decision made against them from an Australian officer of the Commonwealth has the right to appeal to the high court of Australia which is writen into our constitution.....You do not have to be an Australian citizen or a resident of Australia to be granted this right.....John Howard could not change the constitution so what he did was denied asylum seekers access to lawyers by sending them off shore and denying anyone access to their constitutional rights.....If you want to argue about this sh!t then at least know the law and the legal standing of asylum seekers.....Some of the claims made on these forums are total bullshit!!!

Roll Eyes

That's the attitude that sees psycho killers let out on day release... Sad

Could you point us to instances of asylum seeker psycho killers that were let out on day release? Just out of interest.

My point refers to this case.

The same attitude applies. This psycho murdered a guy, didn't go to jail and the idiots let him out on day release from which he didn't return and has since assaulted someone else. Sad

The constitution isn't designed to condone citizens or unlawful or lawful non-citizens breaking the law.

Maybe you could enlighten me why we bother regulating entry into Australia? Why bother having a Migration Act if any body can enter the country unrestricted? Why bother having any laws for that matter if you can commit offences and then hide behind the constitution? Sad

Trent Jennings, an escapee from a psychiatric hospital. Maybe it's just late for this bloke and I'm slowing down. But I have to ask - WTF does that have to do with asylum seekers?? That's what the thread was about wasn't it?

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Reply #40 - Jan 5^th, 2012 at 5:58am

That's the attitude that sees psycho killers let out on day release... Sad

Could you point us to instances of asylum seeker psycho killers that were let out on day release? Just out of interest.

Nope. Can't see where he mentions asylum seeker psycho killers in the above.

As in the other thread you ran away from no gonads Gist will probably run from this one.

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Reply #41 - Jan 5^th, 2012 at 7:42am

I started this thread yesterday to stop the false allegation of aslyum seekers getting more welfare then pensioners.

It is not a thread to say where is the best place to process aslyum seeker or how they got here.

It is not a thread about a mental health prisoner being out on day leave.

All it shows is that anyone posting anything about nothing to do with the OP is that you can't debate the OP and you try to turn the thread into something you can.

That happens too much on here and I wish the mods would delete everything that doesn't apply to the any OP. There is nothing stopping anyone starting a new thread. So how about getting back to the OP and debate that.

here is a copy of the OP

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My blog last week about the politicisation of Asylum seekers and refugees prompted quite a bit of reaction and I promised a number of readers that I’d do some research on the actual financial assistance they receive.

There are so many misleading rumours and “facts” around at the moment regarding asylum seekers and the benefits they get from the government.

One hoax email in particular is doing the rounds telling people that “illegal immigrants/refugees” receive thousands more in welfare payments than Australian pensioners.

Emails like this are completely fabricated and made up purely to conjure up negative sentiment towards asylum seekers.

If you’ve received an email which looks like this you should delete it, tell whoever sent it to you that they’re an idiot, and learn the facts…

•First of all, refugees are not illegal immigrants. It has never been illegal in Australia to arrive on shore without a visa seeking asylum. In fact it’s one of the rights within the UN’s declarations on refugees which Australia helped to write.

•When an asylum seeker arrives in Australia, they do not get any Centrelink benefits. While their status is being processed, and if they meet certain criteria, they can be eligible for financial support from the Asylum Seeker Assistance Scheme, administered through the Red Cross. This amount is 89% of the basic Centrelink allowance. This means approximately $405.84 per fortnight – over $260 less than a pensioner.

•Once an asylum seeker is recognised as a genuine refugee, after a long and highly scrutinized process, they are given permanent residency and are then entitled to the same Centrelink, schooling and health benefits as anyone else. No more, no less.

•The normal Centrelink welfare payment is $456 per fortnight, for a refugee with permanent residency and an Australian-born person. A pensioner in Australia receives $671.90. Over $200 more each fortnight. Even with family/parenting benefits, a refugee’s benefits would still be less than a pensioner’s income.

•For an asylum seeker to qualify for any payment under the Asylum Seeker Assistance Scheme, they must have lodged an application for a visa 6 months before, not be in detention, and not get any other payment or benefit.

•To get a permanent residence as a refugee, the person has to prove they are a genuine refugee fleeing persecution, go through character, security and medical tests, and sign an Australian Values Statement.

•‘Boat people’ are asylum seekers. Refugees are asylum seekers who have been approved and given a visa. None of them are ‘illegal immigrants’.

The above facts come from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship, the Refugee Council of Australia, and from the Red Cross. A lot more reliable than a random email from a friend of a friend.

Before you make a judgment on asylum seeker policy, know the facts.

For more info, have a read of these:

- Myths about refugees and asylum seekers: the answers

- Response to lies and hoax emails – Refugee Council of Australia

- Media Blunders on asylum seeker claims

- Assistance for Asylum seekers in Australia - DIAC

- Related articles: Avoid the POlitical Spin - Some Facts About Asylum Seekers

http://www.kochie.com.au/20100713172/the-real-benefits-for-asylum-seekers-in-aus...

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bomen_guy Senior Member Offline http://aussie-aussie -aussie.proboards.co m/index.cg Posts: 363	Re: Get it right Reply #43 - Jan 5^th, 2012 at 7:49am blackadder wrote on Jan 5^th, 2012 at 7:46am: Oh FFS you whinging old tart. You and boobybatpoo related as he is a bloody whiny whingy bitch too. EVERY thread here goes off on a tangent FFS. So you can't debate the OP then Come shyte for brains what do you thing do aslyum seeker get more welfare then pensioners
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