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Re: Get it right
Reply #45 - Jan 5^th, 2012 at 9:03am

Gist wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 11:10pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 10:13pm:

Gist wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 9:50pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

Anyone who has an adverse decision made against them from an Australian officer of the Commonwealth has the right to appeal to the high court of Australia which is writen into our constitution.....You do not have to be an Australian citizen or a resident of Australia to be granted this right.....John Howard could not change the constitution so what he did was denied asylum seekers access to lawyers by sending them off shore and denying anyone access to their constitutional rights.....If you want to argue about this sh!t then at least know the law and the legal standing of asylum seekers.....Some of the claims made on these forums are total bullshit!!!

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That's the attitude that sees psycho killers let out on day release... Sad

Could you point us to instances of asylum seeker psycho killers that were let out on day release? Just out of interest.

My point refers to this case.

The same attitude applies. This psycho murdered a guy, didn't go to jail and the idiots let him out on day release from which he didn't return and has since assaulted someone else. Sad

The constitution isn't designed to condone citizens or unlawful or lawful non-citizens breaking the law.

Maybe you could enlighten me why we bother regulating entry into Australia? Why bother having a Migration Act if any body can enter the country unrestricted? Why bother having any laws for that matter if you can commit offences and then hide behind the constitution? Sad

Trent Jennings, an escapee from a psychiatric hospital. Maybe it's just late for this bloke and I'm slowing down. But I have to ask - WTF does that have to do with asylum seekers?? That's what the thread was about wasn't it?

I'll elaborate for the mentally challenged. Grin

Warning ---> lateral thought required though - if not up to this task take two Lattes, hug a tree for a few hours, put your form in at Centrelink and work on your gay mardi gras float.....

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The same attitude applies
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Those that condone the blatant breaking of migration law by looking sideways so that any old joker can slip into the country unchallenged just so they can get that warm fuzzy after glowing feeling from being a damned fine global citizen Mr Jolly Good Guy IS THE SAME ATTITUDE that saw Mr Psycho Killer Jennings released into the unsuspecting public on day release to assault someone else.... Sad

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Re: Get it right
Reply #46 - Jan 5^th, 2012 at 9:51am

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 10:46pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 10:13pm:

Gist wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 9:50pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

Anyone who has an adverse decision made against them from an Australian officer of the Commonwealth has the right to appeal to the high court of Australia which is writen into our constitution.....You do not have to be an Australian citizen or a resident of Australia to be granted this right.....John Howard could not change the constitution so what he did was denied asylum seekers access to lawyers by sending them off shore and denying anyone access to their constitutional rights.....If you want to argue about this sh!t then at least know the law and the legal standing of asylum seekers.....Some of the claims made on these forums are total bullshit!!!

Roll Eyes

That's the attitude that sees psycho killers let out on day release... Sad

Could you point us to instances of asylum seeker psycho killers that were let out on day release? Just out of interest.

My point refers to this case.

The same attitude applies. This psycho murdered a guy, didn't go to jail and the idiots let him out on day release from which he didn't return and has since assaulted someone else. Sad

The constitution isn't designed to condone citizens or unlawful or lawful non-citizens breaking the law.

Maybe you could enlighten me why we bother regulating entry into Australia? Why bother having a Migration Act if any body can enter the country unrestricted? Why bother having any laws for that matter if you can commit offences and then hide behind the constitution? Sad

Just because you can appeal to the high court does not mean your appeal will be succesful or even be heard.....I am only pointing out the legal rights offered by the Australian constitution to anyone who has an advese decision made against them by an officer of the Australian Commonwealth......Most appeals would not even be considered unless their was a legal basis that would see the appeal being considered by the high court....Your concerns are based on your own ignorance of the law and what constitutes a valid appeal!!!

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When the applications have been denied. How much Australian tax payer money does it take to make these application to the the high court of Australia?

I have the suspicion that it wouldn't be cheap to the tax payer considering all the time and correct forms to file for the Legal Aid Solicitors and Pro Bono Barristers. I heard that each application is worth a minimum of $100K in time alone.

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Re: Get it right
Reply #47 - Jan 5^th, 2012 at 11:55am

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MASSIVE numbers of initially rejected refugees are winning appeals to stay in Australia.
Appeals by about three quarters of boat arrivals whose initial asylum claims were deemed to be non-genuine succeeded in the past year.The rate of overturned appeals was 46 per cent in 2009-10, says a new Immigration Department report.

Asylum seekers whose initial claims are rejected are able to appeal to tribunals and independent experts appointed by the Federal Government.

While only 38 per cent of Afghan boat arrivals were initially judged to be refugees in 2010-11, almost 80 per cent of those rejected won visas on appeal.

Similarly, only a quarter of Iranian arrivals were at first accepted by immigration officers, but 78 per cent of those who missed out were given visas on review, said the Asylum Trends Australia 2010-11 report.

Monash University associate researcher Adrienne Millbank said yesterday bodies such as the Refugee Review Tribunal seemed to had an in-built bias towards overturning decisions.

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philperth2010

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Re: Get it right
Reply #48 - Jan 5^th, 2012 at 12:09pm

culldav wrote on Jan 5^th, 2012 at 9:51am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 10:46pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 10:13pm:

Gist wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 9:50pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

Anyone who has an adverse decision made against them from an Australian officer of the Commonwealth has the right to appeal to the high court of Australia which is writen into our constitution.....You do not have to be an Australian citizen or a resident of Australia to be granted this right.....John Howard could not change the constitution so what he did was denied asylum seekers access to lawyers by sending them off shore and denying anyone access to their constitutional rights.....If you want to argue about this sh!t then at least know the law and the legal standing of asylum seekers.....Some of the claims made on these forums are total bullshit!!!

Roll Eyes

That's the attitude that sees psycho killers let out on day release... Sad

Could you point us to instances of asylum seeker psycho killers that were let out on day release? Just out of interest.

My point refers to this case.

The same attitude applies. This psycho murdered a guy, didn't go to jail and the idiots let him out on day release from which he didn't return and has since assaulted someone else. Sad

The constitution isn't designed to condone citizens or unlawful or lawful non-citizens breaking the law.

Maybe you could enlighten me why we bother regulating entry into Australia? Why bother having a Migration Act if any body can enter the country unrestricted? Why bother having any laws for that matter if you can commit offences and then hide behind the constitution? Sad

Just because you can appeal to the high court does not mean your appeal will be succesful or even be heard.....I am only pointing out the legal rights offered by the Australian constitution to anyone who has an advese decision made against them by an officer of the Australian Commonwealth......Most appeals would not even be considered unless their was a legal basis that would see the appeal being considered by the high court....Your concerns are based on your own ignorance of the law and what constitutes a valid appeal!!!

Roll Eyes

When the applications have been denied. How much Australian tax payer money does it take to make these application to the the high court of Australia?

I have the suspicion that it wouldn't be cheap to the tax payer considering all the time and correct forms to file for the Legal Aid Solicitors and Pro Bono Barristers. I heard that each application is worth a minimum of $100K in time alone.

You could be correct.....however you must have a legal basis to appeal before it will proceed.....That is why the lawyers that trampled over off shore processing used a clause in the migration act that places the responsibility of refugees with the immigration minister who must oversee their welfare.....Nauru might just pass this test and should be considered by the Gillard Government IMO.....The Malaysian deal was not something I would ever support and this whole phobia about boat people is doing Australia no favours with our international reputation!!!

A few thousand people seeking refuge is hardly a national crisis yet both major parties are making it a major issue for domestic political support.....No cases have made it to the high court apart from the one that succeeded mate so if you are worried about the cost worry about how much Australia is wasting on preventing a few thousand people seeking asylum not appeals to the high court that never eventuate.....The reason the Howard Government did not want refugees to have access to lawyers was their detention was illegal as they where keeping confirmed refugees in detention and returning them against their will which is against the convention for refugees.....Under the Pathetic solution refugees actually had a case!!!

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blackadder Gold Member Offline Posts: 1977	Re: Get it right Reply #49 - Jan 5^th, 2012 at 12:35pm A few thousand people seeking refuge is hardly a national crisis See you are still in denial perth. What are we up to now? Pushing 11,000. Hardly a FEW thousand.
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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20531 Perth Gender:	Re: Get it right Reply #50 - Jan 5^th, 2012 at 1:44pm blackadder wrote on Jan 5^th, 2012 at 12:35pm: A few thousand people seeking refuge is hardly a national crisis See you are still in denial perth. What are we up to now? Pushing 11,000. Hardly a FEW thousand. Hardly a National crisis either!!!
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Re: Get it right
Reply #51 - Jan 5^th, 2012 at 1:47pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

blackadder wrote on Jan 5^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

A few thousand people seeking refuge is hardly a national crisis

See you are still in denial perth. What are we up to now? Pushing 11,000. Hardly a FEW thousand.

Hardly a National crisis either!!!

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Er yes it is when over 85% of them are still on Centrelink benefits five years after arriving.

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Reply #52 - Jan 5^th, 2012 at 1:51pm

blackadder wrote on Jan 5^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

blackadder wrote on Jan 5^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

A few thousand people seeking refuge is hardly a national crisis

See you are still in denial perth. What are we up to now? Pushing 11,000. Hardly a FEW thousand.

Hardly a National crisis either!!!

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Er yes it is when over 85% of them are still on Centrelink benefits five years after arriving.

Not that I am disputing your facts mate but have you got any proof to support this claim???

Huh

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Re: Get it right
Reply #53 - Jan 5^th, 2012 at 1:55pm

blackadder wrote on Jan 5^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

blackadder wrote on Jan 5^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

A few thousand people seeking refuge is hardly a national crisis

See you are still in denial perth. What are we up to now? Pushing 11,000. Hardly a FEW thousand.

Hardly a National crisis either!!!

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Er yes it is when over 85% of them are still on Centrelink benefits five years after arriving.

Give us a link where it says that 85% are still on centrelink benefit five years after they arrived here.

I don't want anything from ACA, TT or Liberal party web site.

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blackadder Gold Member Offline Posts: 1977	Re: Get it right Reply #54 - Jan 5^th, 2012 at 1:57pm Give us a link where it says that 85% are still on centrelink benefit five years after they arrived here. I don't want anything from ACA, TT or Liberal party web site. You will get what I bloody give you.
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Re: Get it right
Reply #55 - Jan 5^th, 2012 at 1:58pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2012 at 1:51pm:

blackadder wrote on Jan 5^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

blackadder wrote on Jan 5^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

A few thousand people seeking refuge is hardly a national crisis

See you are still in denial perth. What are we up to now? Pushing 11,000. Hardly a FEW thousand.

Hardly a National crisis either!!!

Roll Eyes

Er yes it is when over 85% of them are still on Centrelink benefits five years after arriving.

Not that I am disputing your facts mate but have you got any proof to support this claim???

Huh

Everybody remain calm! It's only 83.5%. Grin

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/research/_pdf/settlement-outcomes-new-...

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Reply #56 - Jan 5^th, 2012 at 1:59pm

blackadder wrote on Jan 5^th, 2012 at 1:57pm:

Give us a link where it says that 85% are still on centrelink benefit five years after they arrived here.

I don't want anything from ACA, TT or Liberal party web site.

You will get what I bloody give you.

Do not bother mate....You are a proven liar anyway....If you cannot support your crap just say so???

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blackadder Gold Member Offline Posts: 1977	Re: Get it right Reply #57 - Jan 5^th, 2012 at 2:04pm And you are quoting David Koch. That's hilarious. au.tv.yahoo.com/.../kochie-the-real-benefits-for-asylum-seekers-in-a...
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blackadder Gold Member Offline Posts: 1977	Re: Get it right Reply #58 - Jan 5^th, 2012 at 2:05pm .You are a proven liar anyway I am???
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Reply #59 - Jan 5^th, 2012 at 2:08pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2012 at 1:59pm:

blackadder wrote on Jan 5^th, 2012 at 1:57pm:

Give us a link where it says that 85% are still on centrelink benefit five years after they arrived here.

I don't want anything from ACA, TT or Liberal party web site.

You will get what I bloody give you.

Do not bother mate....You are a proven liar anyway....If you cannot support your crap just say so???

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Everybody remain calm! It's only 83.5%. Grin

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/research/_pdf/settlement-outcomes-new-...

Thanks Honky Tonk saves me looking for it. You were saying. Bomen?????

You must feel like shyte bomen being belted around the head so often.

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