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Reply #15 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:18pm

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 7:42pm:

in which country?

And next time Australians protest at Pine Gap, should they be whisked away to Gitmo.

An armed Japan are committing illegal activities in our waters and our government allows them to abduct them out of Australia. Meanwhile Labor spys on Australians peacefully protesting coal stations.

How come the ALP are not watching the Japanese, like they are watching peaceful protestors?

It's not illegal to enter australian waters with arms on your vessel, It is illegal to land with the arms and not declare them and have them registered / made inactive, this happens daily as some private and commercial vessels have arms on board.

What is needed to be known is, what is the status of the Japanese vessel, if it is a military vessel they would have to notify the Australian government of there intension whilst in our waters (within the 12nm exclusion zone). outside of that they are basically in international waters, and international maritime law applies.

Now boarding a vessel at sea without the permission of the captain is illegal, this an act of piracy, and has very real and servre consquences for those involved in the act. Those involved should take the trip back to where ever the ship goes and then have their case heard in the international maritime courts.

As to Pine Gap if they enter the base without been invited they should have the full force of the law thrown at them. trespass is an illegal act, and the security of military bases needs to be kept to a high level.

as to the ALP watching the Japanese it's not their job that is why we have security forces, that is the job of ASIS and ASIO and believe me they will be.

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Reply #16 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:21pm

While I don't agree with what the Japanese are doing - they aren't fooling anyone with claims of the whaling being for scientific reasons - the activists who boarded the Japanese vessel can only blame themselves for their situation. They should be released by the Japanese and the activists should stop carrying out these boardings.

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Reply #17 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:25pm

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:04pm:

What do you expect the Japanese to do when someone boards their vessel illegally.....These protestors could have caused a lot of damage and endangered lives by their actions.....No protestors should be allowed to break the law and board any ship illegally.....They deserve to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.....It amazes me how people who do these sort of things think they are above the law!!!

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So an a Armed Japanese Whaling Ship, within an Australian Whale Sanctuary is ok for the Australian government and for you?

A Japanese Ship engaged in an activity the Australian government is thinking it may lay a case against if they get around to it yet refused to send a boat to observe.

If it is ok by you to prosecute the protestors, is it ok to prosecute the people onboard the Japanese Whaling ships?

When the Japanese break the law they should be prosecuted.....When protestors break the law they should also be prosecuted....Japan and a lot of other countries do not recognise Australia's claim to Antarctica and consider it International waters.....The Japanese have every right to protect their ship and crew from protestors....Sorry mate but the Sea Shepherd and its Captain Watson do not impress me at all!!!

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Reply #18 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:33pm

cods wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:04pm:

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 7:56pm:

cods wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 7:47pm:

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 7:42pm:

in which country?

And next time Australians protest at Pine Gap, should they be whisked away to Gitmo.

An armed Japan are committing illegal activities in our waters and our government allows them to abduct them out of Australia. Meanwhile Labor spys on Australians peacefully protesting coal stations.

How come the ALP are not watching the Japanese, like they are watching peaceful protestors?

like those peaceful protesters that climbed aboard a foreign owned ship uninvited you mean?

An armed Japanese ship engaged in illegal activities in Australian territory.

An Armed ship that Australia should of been watching but your mate Gillard couldn't be bothered. More worried about boats to our north with refugees, rather than armed boats south, butchering whales illegally.

I would be interested in your crocodile tears woody if you had had the same tears for those 200 lost souls on that sinking overloaded ship on its way to our on shore processing factory.

.... I see where another boat arrived yesterday 119 on board they are squeezing more and more on are they not? its only a matter of time.before another terrible accident....

yet this terrible ARMED ship.... oh gawd I am so scared... Grin

Afghan Refugees drown because of the push factors your lot caused. You have blood on your hands for supporting Abbott and Howard.

And now you want off shore processing, you are putting boat refugees at greater risk since they will try for longer trips and so have more drowned. More drowned means more men, women, children and babies washing up on our beaches.

All your doing missy. For supporting inhumane measures against a humanitarian crisis.

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Reply #19 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:36pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:21pm:

While I don't agree with what the Japanese are doing - they aren't fooling anyone with claims of the whaling being for scientific reasons - the activists who boarded the Japanese vessel can only blame themselves for their situation. They should be released by the Japanese and the activists should stop carrying out these boardings.

So the japanese can slaughter whales and send them to extinction ... we are suppose to look the other way?

The only reason the men boarded was to focus attention on the illegal activities of the Japanese whaling fleet and to stop it harassing sea shepherd.

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Reply #20 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:38pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 6:44pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 6:24pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 5:29pm:

Wealthy far rightwing brats from leafy suburbs with time on their hands jump aboard a ship committing a crime - stowaways - and we are supposed to jump up and down about it? Maritime law applies here. Cool

...ahem.....rightwing LEFTY brats

No class consciousness - no leftwing. I dont see any of these silver spooners engaged in the class struggle, unless its fighting to slug the poor people with flat taxes for their rich elders... Cool

Class struggle? There's no class struggle in Australia.

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Reply #21 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:39pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:25pm:

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:04pm:

What do you expect the Japanese to do when someone boards their vessel illegally.....These protestors could have caused a lot of damage and endangered lives by their actions.....No protestors should be allowed to break the law and board any ship illegally.....They deserve to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.....It amazes me how people who do these sort of things think they are above the law!!!

Angry

So an a Armed Japanese Whaling Ship, within an Australian Whale Sanctuary is ok for the Australian government and for you?

A Japanese Ship engaged in an activity the Australian government is thinking it may lay a case against if they get around to it yet refused to send a boat to observe.

If it is ok by you to prosecute the protestors, is it ok to prosecute the people onboard the Japanese Whaling ships?

When the Japanese break the law they should be prosecuted.....When protestors break the law they should also be prosecuted....Japan and a lot of other countries do not recognise Australia's claim to Antarctica and consider it International waters.....The Japanese have every right to protect their ship and crew from protestors....Sorry mate but the Sea Shepherd and its Captain Watson do not impress me at all!!!

Angry

Without them, we would of had heaps more whales illegally slaughtered last year. But hey, you don't care about results do you.

Japanese whaling fleet should be banned from Australian ports and waters.

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wildkactus Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 93 Gold Coast Gender:	Re: Japanese Abducting Australians ? Reply #22 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:44pm ____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:39pm: Japanese whaling fleet should be banned from Australian ports and waters. They are banned under the Whale protection act of 1980. No whaling ship is allowed to dock or operate within the 12nm limit of our territorial waters.
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Reply #23 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:51pm

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:36pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:21pm:

While I don't agree with what the Japanese are doing - they aren't fooling anyone with claims of the whaling being for scientific reasons - the activists who boarded the Japanese vessel can only blame themselves for their situation. They should be released by the Japanese and the activists should stop carrying out these boardings.

So the japanese can slaughter whales and send them to extinction ... we are suppose to look the other way?

The only reason the men boarded was to focus attention on the illegal activities of the Japanese whaling fleet and to stop it harassing sea shepherd.

No, I didn't mean we should turn our backs on what the Japanese are doing and I think most Australians who watch or read the news are aware of what the Japanese are doing. But at the same time, there shouldn't be activists boarding Japanese vessels either. It's only going to lead to more trouble.

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Reply #24 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:52pm

wildkactus wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:44pm:

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:39pm:

Japanese whaling fleet should be banned from Australian ports and waters.

They are banned under the Whale protection act of 1980.
No whaling ship is allowed to dock or operate within the 12nm limit of our territorial waters.

the incident happened 16.2 miles off the coast - outside territorial waters but inside Australia’s 24-mile contiguous zone.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/12528660/activists-taken-hostage-b...

Why wasn't the government watching?

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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: Japanese Abducting Australians ? Reply #25 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:53pm Lock them in a cabin and cart them around for a month or two. Dump them on some island on the way home and let the Oz authorities pick them up. Either that or take them back to Japan and put them on trial. These idiots (the protestors) really don't think things through do they?
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Reply #26 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:53pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:51pm:

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:36pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:21pm:

While I don't agree with what the Japanese are doing - they aren't fooling anyone with claims of the whaling being for scientific reasons - the activists who boarded the Japanese vessel can only blame themselves for their situation. They should be released by the Japanese and the activists should stop carrying out these boardings.

So the japanese can slaughter whales and send them to extinction ... we are suppose to look the other way?

The only reason the men boarded was to focus attention on the illegal activities of the Japanese whaling fleet and to stop it harassing sea shepherd.

No, I didn't mean we should turn our backs on what the Japanese are doing and I think most Australians who watch or read the news are aware of what the Japanese are doing. But at the same time, there shouldn't be activists boarding Japanese vessels either. It's only going to lead to more trouble.

So what is your solution ... do nothing?

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Reply #27 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 9:05pm

This is the type of action I condemn!!!

•in 1986, Sea Shepherd carried out an action against the Icelandic whaling station in Hvalfjoerdur and sank two Icelandic whaling vessels in Reykjavik harbor by opening their sea valves;[1]
•in December 1992, Sea Shepherd sank the vessel Nybroena in port;[2]
•Sea Shepherd claimed to have sank the Taiwanese drift net ship Jiang Hai in port in Taiwan and to have rammed and disabled four other Asian drift net ships;[3]
•a Canadian court ordered Watson and his former ship, the Cleveland Armory, to pay a total of $35,000 for ramming a Cuban fishing vessel off the coast of Newfoundland in June 1993;[4]
•in January 1994 the group severely damaged the whaling ship Senet in the Norwegian port of Gressvik.

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/news-and-blogs/news/paul-watson-sea-shepherd-an...

Terrorists!!!

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Reply #28 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 9:09pm

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:53pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:51pm:

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:36pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:21pm:

While I don't agree with what the Japanese are doing - they aren't fooling anyone with claims of the whaling being for scientific reasons - the activists who boarded the Japanese vessel can only blame themselves for their situation. They should be released by the Japanese and the activists should stop carrying out these boardings.

So the japanese can slaughter whales and send them to extinction ... we are suppose to look the other way?

The only reason the men boarded was to focus attention on the illegal activities of the Japanese whaling fleet and to stop it harassing sea shepherd.

No, I didn't mean we should turn our backs on what the Japanese are doing and I think most Australians who watch or read the news are aware of what the Japanese are doing. But at the same time, there shouldn't be activists boarding Japanese vessels either. It's only going to lead to more trouble.

So what is your solution ... do nothing?

Deploy the Navy with orders to turn the Japanese fleet away from Australian waters. Of course, Gillard is too weak for that. She can't even stop barely-seaworthy people smuggling boats coming from Indonesia.

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Reply #29 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 9:19pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 9:09pm:

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:53pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:51pm:

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:36pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:21pm:

While I don't agree with what the Japanese are doing - they aren't fooling anyone with claims of the whaling being for scientific reasons - the activists who boarded the Japanese vessel can only blame themselves for their situation. They should be released by the Japanese and the activists should stop carrying out these boardings.

So the japanese can slaughter whales and send them to extinction ... we are suppose to look the other way?

The only reason the men boarded was to focus attention on the illegal activities of the Japanese whaling fleet and to stop it harassing sea shepherd.

No, I didn't mean we should turn our backs on what the Japanese are doing and I think most Australians who watch or read the news are aware of what the Japanese are doing. But at the same time, there shouldn't be activists boarding Japanese vessels either. It's only going to lead to more trouble.

So what is your solution ... do nothing?

Deploy the Navy with orders to turn the Japanese fleet away from Australian waters. Of course, Gillard is too weak for that. She can't even stop barely-seaworthy people smuggling boats coming from Indonesia.

Not even Tony Abbott would be that stupid!!!

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