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Reply #30 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 9:20pm

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:52pm:

wildkactus wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:44pm:

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:39pm:

Japanese whaling fleet should be banned from Australian ports and waters.

They are banned under the Whale protection act of 1980.
No whaling ship is allowed to dock or operate within the 12nm limit of our territorial waters.

the incident happened 16.2 miles off the coast - outside territorial waters but inside Australia’s 24-mile contiguous zone.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/12528660/activists-taken-hostage-b...

Why wasn't the government watching?

the 24-mile contiguous zone, is still not an area inwhich the laws of Australia can be held up it is just a zone in which australia says we want this, under the international maritime law all any nation can claim sovereignty to is the 12nm limit. There have been a lot of claims for extension to this but no have been upheld in the international courts everything comes back to the 12nm limit.

as to where the incident took place who knows as the japanese are saying 44km's 27nm and sea shepard's are saying inside the 24nm. inside 24nm may have been the position of the Steve Irwin but the Shonan may have been further to sea so they might be right as well. who knows.

This is the problem with the green movement, no one within the movement wants to take responsibility for their actions. What these 3 people did was illegal, they committed an act of piracy in international waters.

Pete Bathume who did the same thing in the 09/10 campaign took it on the chin, went back to japan and had his case heard before a court, he got more out of his effort then these three will as they do not want to be held responsible.

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Reply #31 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 9:21pm

When I was a little kid we went on a school excursion to see the arrival of the Soviet whaling fleet in Sydney harbour. We watched them from Milsons Point and there were crowds everywhere with hundreds of people on the harbour bridge waving and dropping streamers.

How times have changed.

I remember the mothership was fuggin' massive... bigger than anything I'd ever seen - it seemed to just make it under the bridge.

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Reply #32 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 9:24pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 9:09pm:

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:53pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:51pm:

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:36pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:21pm:

While I don't agree with what the Japanese are doing - they aren't fooling anyone with claims of the whaling being for scientific reasons - the activists who boarded the Japanese vessel can only blame themselves for their situation. They should be released by the Japanese and the activists should stop carrying out these boardings.

So the japanese can slaughter whales and send them to extinction ... we are suppose to look the other way?

The only reason the men boarded was to focus attention on the illegal activities of the Japanese whaling fleet and to stop it harassing sea shepherd.

No, I didn't mean we should turn our backs on what the Japanese are doing and I think most Australians who watch or read the news are aware of what the Japanese are doing. But at the same time, there shouldn't be activists boarding Japanese vessels either. It's only going to lead to more trouble.

So what is your solution ... do nothing?

Deploy the Navy with orders to turn the Japanese fleet away from Australian waters. Of course, Gillard is too weak for that. She can't even stop barely-seaworthy people smuggling boats coming from Indonesia.

She can't send the navy out to turn them away as they have done nothing illegal.
she could send out a ship to watch but would it not be better to have the navy engaged in other activities like protecting our borders then watching the legal activities of legal vessels transiting our coast.

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Reply #33 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 10:01pm

e can't send the navy out to turn them away as they have done nothing illegal.
she could send out a ship to watch but would it not be better to have the navy engaged in other activities like protecting our borders then watching the legal activities of legal vessels transiting our coast.

are we not supposed to be on the same side?????????????????????

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Reply #34 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 8:27am

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:04pm:

What do you expect the Japanese to do when someone boards their vessel illegally.....These protestors could have caused a lot of damage and endangered lives by their actions.....No protestors should be allowed to break the law and board any ship illegally.....They deserve to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.....It amazes me how people who do these sort of things think they are above the law!!!

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So an a Armed Japanese Whaling Ship, within an Australian Whale Sanctuary is ok for the Australian government and for you?

A Japanese Ship engaged in an activity the Australian government is thinking it may lay a case against if they get around to it yet refused to send a boat to observe.

If it is ok by you to prosecute the protestors, is it ok to prosecute the people onboard the Japanese Whaling ships?

As my wise mother once said, two wrongs don't make it right!

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Reply #35 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 12:15pm

Kidnap, what a croc of shite.
These twats illegally boarded a foreign ship underway at sea and should count themselves lucky they weren't thrown back over the side.
Maybe they are seeking asylum in Japan, and are fleeing 'persecution' in Australia?
Eitherway, they deserve their stint in prison.
If the Captain of the Sea Shepherd was concerned about 'kidnapping', so far he hasn't turned back and demanded their release.

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Reply #36 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 12:41pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:25pm:

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 8:04pm:

What do you expect the Japanese to do when someone boards their vessel illegally.....These protestors could have caused a lot of damage and endangered lives by their actions.....No protestors should be allowed to break the law and board any ship illegally.....They deserve to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.....It amazes me how people who do these sort of things think they are above the law!!!

Angry

So an a Armed Japanese Whaling Ship, within an Australian Whale Sanctuary is ok for the Australian government and for you?

A Japanese Ship engaged in an activity the Australian government is thinking it may lay a case against if they get around to it yet refused to send a boat to observe.

If it is ok by you to prosecute the protestors, is it ok to prosecute the people onboard the Japanese Whaling ships?

When the Japanese break the law they should be prosecuted.....When protestors break the law they should also be prosecuted....Japan and a lot of other countries do not recognise Australia's claim to Antarctica and consider it International waters.....The Japanese have every right to protect their ship and crew from protestors....Sorry mate but the Sea Shepherd and its Captain Watson do not impress me at all!!!

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The ONLY people who have got themselves to blame for this situation id Australians themselves for constantly voting in gutless weak politicians who refuse to get tough on foreigners entering our boarders whenever they feel like it, and Australian politicians do nothing about stopping them - including the Japanese and others who think down under is open international waters they can steal from.

Maybe if Australia didn't have such a bunch of gutless politicians, then Australia would be able to protect its borders from foreign thieves.

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Reply #38 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 12:55pm

Any other country who had the guts to protect their borders form foreign thieves would sent a military patrol boat into the known areas and keep one posted there, but Australia's military boats are forced to play chauffeurs to criminal country shopping asylum seekers. Or, we send 2 brand new military patrol boats to Malaysia instead of protecting our own damn boarders - are the people of Australia ever going to come first before foreign interests?

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Reply #39 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 1:06pm

culldav wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

Any other country who had the guts to protect their borders form foreign thieves would sent a military patrol boat into the known areas and keep one posted there, but Australia's military boats are forced to play chauffeurs to criminal country shopping asylum seekers. Or, we send 2 brand new military patrol boats to Malaysia instead of protecting our own damn boarders - are the people of Australia ever going to come first before foreign interests?

So what have the Coalition ever done about whaling then???

Huh

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Reply #40 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 1:35pm

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 7:56pm:

cods wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 7:47pm:

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 7:42pm:

in which country?

And next time Australians protest at Pine Gap, should they be whisked away to Gitmo.

An armed Japan are committing illegal activities in our waters and our government allows them to abduct them out of Australia. Meanwhile Labor spys on Australians peacefully protesting coal stations.

How come the ALP are not watching the Japanese, like they are watching peaceful protestors?

like those peaceful protesters that climbed aboard a foreign owned ship uninvited you mean?

An armed Japanese ship engaged in illegal activities in Australian territory.

An Armed ship that Australia should of been watching but your mate Gillard couldn't be bothered. More worried about boats to our north with refugees, rather than armed boats south, butchering whales illegally.

'Armed'?
What with?
A fire hose doesn't count.

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Reply #41 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 2:35pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

culldav wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

Any other country who had the guts to protect their borders form foreign thieves would sent a military patrol boat into the known areas and keep one posted there, but Australia's military boats are forced to play chauffeurs to criminal country shopping asylum seekers. Or, we send 2 brand new military patrol boats to Malaysia instead of protecting our own damn boarders - are the people of Australia ever going to come first before foreign interests?

So what have the Coalition ever done about whaling then???

Huh

Nothing to my knowledge. but it seems neither has you precious Juliar!!

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Reply #42 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 2:38pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 1:35pm:

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 7:56pm:

cods wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 7:47pm:

____ wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 7:42pm:

in which country?

And next time Australians protest at Pine Gap, should they be whisked away to Gitmo.

An armed Japan are committing illegal activities in our waters and our government allows them to abduct them out of Australia. Meanwhile Labor spys on Australians peacefully protesting coal stations.

How come the ALP are not watching the Japanese, like they are watching peaceful protestors?

like those peaceful protesters that climbed aboard a foreign owned ship uninvited you mean?

An armed Japanese ship engaged in illegal activities in Australian territory.

An Armed ship that Australia should of been watching but your mate Gillard couldn't be bothered. More worried about boats to our north with refugees, rather than armed boats south, butchering whales illegally.

'Armed'?
What with?
A fire hose doesn't count.

To concerned playing chauffeurs to country shopping boat people from the North to worry about whats even happening in the South. Having to worry about the North & South for Juliar and her clown brigade is something they are just not capable of doing.

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Japanese Abducting Australians ? Reply #43 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 3:03pm The Japanese rotters are stealing our Wales and as the PM comes from Wales herself I would expect her to act. Anyway the Japs are scared of dragons.
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Japanese Abducting Australians ? Reply #44 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 3:24pm We should start whaling immeadiately and export the meat to Japan and what happened to the days when I could buy a pint of whale oil from the local fishing tackle shop
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