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Reply #60 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 7:11pm

darkhall67 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 7:02pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 6:57pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 6:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 6:37pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 6:29pm:

It's not the taste or texture that I would worry about.
It's the high levels of mercury.

No matter your views on whaling , anybody would be crazy to eat it.

Is there a high level of mercury??

An international moratorium on commercial whaling has been in place since 1986. But many people in Japan still consume cetaceans, particularly toothed whales. New research suggests that eating these whale products may have unexpected consequences. The results of a study that will appear in the June 15 edition of the Journal of Environmental Science and Technology indicate that packaged whale meat in Japan contains dangerously high levels of mercury.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=packaged-whale-meat-in-ja

Yes, I know that...however, under the 'traditional whaling' exception to the moratorium, the hunting must be carried out using the old style or 'historic' methods.....Somehow I doubt the 17th, 18th and 19th century Japanese whale hunts took place in the Antarctic. There are still several towns in Japan that hunt whales in their traditional waters, and using almost traditional methods...

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I was answering your mercury question.

Oh, ok..I was expecting more on the mercury content bit, and less on the moratorium and consumption of cetaceans...bit of a mixed message...

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Reply #62 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 9:31pm

____ wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 9:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 6:51pm:

By the way, the Japanese didn't abduct them. The three men in question voluntarily boarded the ship. That the Japanese are refusing to release them due to their illegal boarding does not constitute abduction.

It was in Australian waters ... so it is abduction.

SO if you try to mug me and I tie you up and sit on you, it's abduction?

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Reply #64 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 9:44pm

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 9:31pm:

____ wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 9:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 6:51pm:

By the way, the Japanese didn't abduct them. The three men in question voluntarily boarded the ship. That the Japanese are refusing to release them due to their illegal boarding does not constitute abduction.

It was in Australian waters ... so it is abduction.

SO if you try to mug me and I tie you up and sit on you, it's abduction?

It is if you then transport me out of the country, so to avoid Australian Law.

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Reply #65 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 9:50pm

____ wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 9:44pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 9:31pm:

____ wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 9:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 6:51pm:

By the way, the Japanese didn't abduct them. The three men in question voluntarily boarded the ship. That the Japanese are refusing to release them due to their illegal boarding does not constitute abduction.

It was in Australian waters ... so it is abduction.

SO if you try to mug me and I tie you up and sit on you, it's abduction?

It is if you then transport me out of the country, so to avoid Australian Law.

the incident did not take place in Australian territorial waters, Ms Roxon said.

''Because it was only in our exclusive economic zone that doesn't give us automatic rights to assert Australian law,'' she told reporters.

''In fact, the clearest advice that we have is that Japanese law would be likely to apply,'' she added.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16464267

I think the legal term is, 'the numpties are f*#&*d."

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Reply #66 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 10:21pm

And where did Labor get their information from ... a group of illegal whale butcherers that are just butchering whales for scientific reasons.

Butchering whales with tsunami repair meant cash.

And when Labor where asked ... where are the Australians now ... they don't know because the abductors Labor trust so much, would not tell them.

Labor believes foreign liars, thieves, and illegal butchers over Australians.

It is time to educate the majority of japanese,that these illegal whalers are doing, feeding them mercury saturated food ... just like their nuke industry to the rest of their food.

By turning Japanese off toxic whale meat that will destroy their cognitive abilities, we can end this illegal activity.

This is a great time to build up the Japanese Greens Political Party, and so shift yet another country off the path of destruction non Greens want to take us.

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Reply #67 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 10:29pm

____ wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 9:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 6:51pm:

By the way, the Japanese didn't abduct them. The three men in question voluntarily boarded the ship. That the Japanese are refusing to release them due to their illegal boarding does not constitute abduction.

It was in Australian waters ... so it is abduction.

The Government are saying different.

Would you have preferred them to be thrown over the side?

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Reply #68 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 10:36pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 10:29pm:

____ wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 9:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 6:51pm:

By the way, the Japanese didn't abduct them. The three men in question voluntarily boarded the ship. That the Japanese are refusing to release them due to their illegal boarding does not constitute abduction.

It was in Australian waters ... so it is abduction.

The Government are saying different.

Would you have preferred them to be thrown over the side?

This is the path the old parties have taken us ... first they undermined human life from overseas ... now they want to undermine Australian life.

Thank goodness I still have my humanity ... thank goodness there are Greens supporters around ... and increasing in numbers.

It is good to know the right now believe Labor to be competent all of a sudden.
Now tell me, where did Labor get it's information of the where abouts of the Japanese illegal Whaling vessel ... from the boat it has observing?

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Reply #69 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 10:38pm

____ wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 9:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 6:51pm:

By the way, the Japanese didn't abduct them. The three men in question voluntarily boarded the ship. That the Japanese are refusing to release them due to their illegal boarding does not constitute abduction.

It was in Australian waters ... so it is abduction.

The three activists weren't dragged aboard the Japanese ship. In fact, they refused to leave it in the hope it would force the Japanese ship to stop shadowing the activists' own ship and return them to Australia. That is hardly abduction. If anything, it's more a form of a "sit-in" protest.

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Reply #70 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 10:59pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 10:38pm:

____ wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 9:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 6:51pm:

By the way, the Japanese didn't abduct them. The three men in question voluntarily boarded the ship. That the Japanese are refusing to release them due to their illegal boarding does not constitute abduction.

It was in Australian waters ... so it is abduction.

The three activists weren't dragged aboard the Japanese ship. In fact, they refused to leave it in the hope it would force the Japanese ship to stop shadowing the activists' own ship and return them to Australia. That is hardly abduction. If anything, it's more a form of a "sit-in" protest.

It is when the whaling ship, a ship that is banned in Australian waters ... so it was breaking Australian law, then abducts Australians defending our waters and now has taken off with the Australians.

This is a terrorism act committed by Japan on Australia.

An act of war.

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Reply #71 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 11:05pm

____ wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 10:59pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 10:38pm:

____ wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 9:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 6:51pm:

By the way, the Japanese didn't abduct them. The three men in question voluntarily boarded the ship. That the Japanese are refusing to release them due to their illegal boarding does not constitute abduction.

It was in Australian waters ... so it is abduction.

The three activists weren't dragged aboard the Japanese ship. In fact, they refused to leave it in the hope it would force the Japanese ship to stop shadowing the activists' own ship and return them to Australia. That is hardly abduction. If anything, it's more a form of a "sit-in" protest.

It is when the whaling ship, a ship that is banned in Australian waters ... so it was breaking Australian law, then abducts Australians defending our waters and now has taken off with the Australians.

This is a terrorism act committed by Japan on Australia.

An act of war.

Now you're getting carried away. First of all, the Sea Shepherd has no authority to carry out underway boarding of any vessel. Only the RAN or Customs have that authority, hence the activists are trespassing and the Japanese are well within their rights to detain the activists. Second of all, your ludicrous jump to this being an act of terrorism clearly demonstrates that you've lost the plot. Time to get back on your meds, calm down and stop smoking weed.

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Reply #72 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 11:12pm

The Japanese where harassing SeaShep and so followed it into Australian Waters ... this is illegal

The Japanese, once confronted by Australians then abducted them out of Australian territory ... and act of terrorism and an act of war.

Why are you defending a country who has committed crimes against Australians before.

Lest We Forget.

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Reply #73 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 11:16pm

____ wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 11:12pm:

The Japanese where harassing SeaShep and so followed it into Australian Waters ... this is illegal

The Japanese, once confronted by Australians then abducted them out of Australian territory ... and act of terrorism and an act of war.

Why are you defending a country who has committed crimes against Australians before.

Lest We Forget.

There was no invitation from the Japanese for those activists to climb aboard the Japanese vessel, nor do the activists have any right to carry out such action. The Japanese are well within their rights to detain them and prosecute them in Japanese courts. That you choose to ignore these very simple, straightforward facts shows a level of stupidity/ignorance not often seen - even on an internet forum.

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Reply #74 - Jan 9^th, 2012 at 11:21pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 11:16pm:

____ wrote on Jan 9^th, 2012 at 11:12pm:

The Japanese where harassing SeaShep and so followed it into Australian Waters ... this is illegal

The Japanese, once confronted by Australians then abducted them out of Australian territory ... and act of terrorism and an act of war.

Why are you defending a country who has committed crimes against Australians before.

Lest We Forget.

There was no invitation from the Japanese for those activists to climb aboard the Japanese vessel, nor do the activists have any right to carry out such action. The Japanese are well within their rights to detain them and prosecute them in Japanese courts. That you choose to ignore these very simple, straightforward facts shows a level of stupidity/ignorance not often seen - even on an internet forum.

An illegal vessel, in Australian waters, that has been taking part in illegal whaling, and now abduct Australians from Australian waters.

This is a japanese act of war against Australia.

Time to cut ties and cut trade.

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