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Stay of execution for Ford until 2016
Jan 10th, 2012 at 10:39am
 
Tax payers still doling out corporate welfare to make the same tired old gas guzzlers. Why ???

When Ford USA are building the next generation EV's we are still building obsolete technology and getting tax payers to fund it, instead of putting that money into an all Australian EV design !! Idiot Governments just looking to hold onto votes at any expense Sad

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$103 million investment throws Falcon a lifeline - for now.

The future of the Ford Falcon has been secured for at least another four years - but the fate of the vehicle beyond that is no clearer.

The Victorian car maker has pledged $103 million - including $34 million in Federal Government funding - to continue building the Falcon until 2016 and upgrade it to meet more stringent emissions standards.

The joint announcement, which also confirmed 300 new jobs as well as the continuation of and upgrades to the Territory SUV, was made at the Detroit motor show overnight.

Senator Carr also met with senior General Motors executives in Detroit earlier today.

It came after Federal Minister for Industry, Senator Kim Carr, sealed the deal in a meeting with the global boss of Ford Alan Mulally.

"We had very productive conversations today with the Ford Motor Company ... and the announcement you see today is a reflection of that," Senator Carr said.

"This is a vote of confidence in the future of Ford in Australia. I trust this is a measure to address [concerns about the future of Ford's local manufacturing operations]."

The future of the Falcon has been cast in doubt over the past five years against the backdrop of record-low sales - fewer than 19,000 Falcons were sold last year after a peak of 81,000 in 1995.

Senator Carr said Ford Australia's survival as a manufacturer was crucial to the other two local car makers - Holden and Toyota - and the pool of about 200 suppliers.

"I have never ever conceded anywhere that we could run the Australian automotive industry on the basis of the reduced number of [manufacturers]," Senator Carr said.

Joe Hinrichs, president and CEO Ford Asia-Pacific and Africa operations said: "We continue to invest in Falcon and Territory ... but the speculation about the future impacts our employee morale and impacts, we think, our customers unfortunately.

"In an unprecedented move for us we're talking about a product cycle ... that's beyond the next couple of years to provide some certainty and to remove some of this speculation."

Hinrichs admitted the future of Ford's Broadmeadows and Geelong factories had been under scrutiny; output dropped to just 45,000 vehicles last year (when Falcon, Territory and ute are combined). Most car factories need to run at a minimum of 100,000 vehicles per year to remain viable.

"We wouldn't build a new one ... but when you have an existing [factory] that has the current tooling, that's a different equation," Hinrichs said.

The future of the Falcon and Territory took a turn for the better after Senator Carr after met with Ford's regional executives in Shanghai in August last year.

"Five months ago ... Minister Carr came to visit me in Shanghai, and this [continuation of the Falcon and Territory to 2016] wasn't the plan," Hinrichs said.

Mulally added: "Australia is a really important market to us and we're going to continue to invest."

Ford Australia president and CEO Bob Graziano said confidence had been restored in the Territory since the arrival of the diesel model elevated it to become the country's top-selling SUV. With the addition of the four-cylinder Falcon and better supply of its new LPG system, Graziano said: "I'm very bullish about 2012".

The Victorian Government has also made a contribution, but the amount was not disclosed.

Stephen Biegun, vice president of international government operations for Ford said: "What the Australian government is doing here is very much in line with the exact same conversations we're having with other governments around the world. They want to shore up viable manufacturing in their countries. You cannot have a complete economy if you don't have a commitment to manufacturing, it's essential."

Biegun also said it was impossible to guarantee the future of the Falcon and Territory beyond 2016.

"We would never make a commitment past the next four or five years. It's just not in our vernacular. There are very few absolutes in our industry except that things will change."
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Reply #1 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 12:33pm
 
Senator Carr had the sheets only a few weeks ago after the Gillard reshuffle of portfolios and cabinet positions. Looks like he is being kept onside with this trip to the USA. Window seat, 1st class plane seat, 5 star motel, photo opportunity and probably has the spouse to keep him company.

Don't you feel sorry for Senator Carr?
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Reply #2 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 4:52pm
 
its got to be the toughest job in the world dishing out other peoples money...

gosh how many millions is that that gone into the car industry in this country in the last 4 years????

may as well call the workers public servants
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Reply #3 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 6:57pm
 
What do you do when you are a government and you want to waste some money?

Give it to Ford to make more outdated vehicles.

Holden are in the money queue, they're next.
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Reply #4 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 10:39pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 4:52pm:
its got to be the toughest job in the world dishing out other peoples money...

gosh how many millions is that that gone into the car industry in this country in the last 4 years????

may as well call the workers public servants


what do you mean the last 4 years ?? You mean the last 40 years if you include tariffs !!
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Reply #5 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 10:40pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 6:57pm:
What do you do when you are a government and you want to waste some money?

Give it to Ford to make more outdated vehicles.

Holden are in the money queue, they're next.


Well if you want to get voted in at the next election then you have to make sure that no car manufacturer goes under before the next election Wink
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Reply #6 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 3:28pm
 
And here is yet another idiot thread bashing a MANUFACTURER still doing it in australia. This country has already demonstrated that it can build some of the worlds best cars but are hamstrung by our low population. IN any other thread you would be bemoaning the loss of manufacturing in this country but when the govt steps in to help, all you do is complain - again.

on one hand you hate retailers and manufactures and then on the oter hand you wonder where they all went...

you truly are spiteful, bitter people who fortunately are nowhere near the levers of power or decision-making. And of course probably none of you have ever bought a new car anyhow.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #7 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 3:44pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 3:28pm:
And here is yet another idiot thread bashing a MANUFACTURER still doing it in australia. This country has already demonstrated that it can build some of the worlds best cars but are hamstrung by our low population. IN any other thread you would be bemoaning the loss of manufacturing in this country but when the govt steps in to help, all you do is complain - again.

on one hand you hate retailers and manufactures and then on the oter hand you wonder where they all went...

you truly are spiteful, bitter people who fortunately are nowhere near the levers of power or decision-making. And of course probably none of you have ever bought a new car anyhow.


These are not Australian businesses idiot !! They are multinational corporations who make money out of begging from one country to another and the profits they make don't stay in Australia !!

And if they are such great cars why aren't they exporting them all over the world ??

What sort of business expects to be bailed out by the tax payers on a regular basis !!

Trust you to support a poor excuse for a business !!
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Reply #8 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 3:45pm
 
I had lunch with Senator Carr last year, he's a really good guy.

Totally different politics to me, but he showed he cares about Australian manufacturing and he was very interested in hearing the views of American owned companies and their investment plans in Australia.

An all round nice bloke.
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Reply #9 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 3:54pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 3:45pm:
I had lunch with Senator Carr last year, he's a really good guy.

Totally different politics to me, but he showed he cares about Australian manufacturing and he was very interested in hearing the views of American owned companies and their investment plans in Australia.

An all round nice bloke.


They only care about manufacturing when it comes to votes Sad Where is the care for any other real Australian businesses ??

And where is Ford's green car that they want us to pay 100 million for ??

Exhibit 'A': Ford's green car in the US !!
Cheesy



Exhibit 'B': Fords green car in Australia
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http://www.caradvice.com.au/64732/ford-australia-announcesd-20-million-green-upg...


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Reply #10 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 4:04pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 3:44pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 3:28pm:
And here is yet another idiot thread bashing a MANUFACTURER still doing it in australia. This country has already demonstrated that it can build some of the worlds best cars but are hamstrung by our low population. IN any other thread you would be bemoaning the loss of manufacturing in this country but when the govt steps in to help, all you do is complain - again.

on one hand you hate retailers and manufactures and then on the oter hand you wonder where they all went...

you truly are spiteful, bitter people who fortunately are nowhere near the levers of power or decision-making. And of course probably none of you have ever bought a new car anyhow.


These are not Australian businesses idiot !! They are multinational corporations who make money out of begging from one country to another and the profits they make don't stay in Australia !!

And if they are such great cars why aren't they exporting them all over the world ??

What sort of business expects to be bailed out by the tax payers on a regular basis !!

Trust you to support a poor excuse for a business !!


A) they are AUSTRALIAN manufacturers using australian goods and australian workers. Holden has one of the best vehicle design teams with GM which is why they chose the zeta platform (from Holden) as the basis for their rear-wheel vehicles world-wide.

B) unless you mised the news - and it seems you did - GMH have been exporting their cars especially to the middle east and also UK as top-line vehicles

C) other businesses and industries get assistance, why not cars?

you just hate petrol cars because you can never afford to buy one or fill one up. Sucks to be you because the rest of the world is buying them and loving them. My plan is to buy the FPV-GT 335 and get the 420Kw upgrade. or perhaps wait a little longer and hope to getr a GTHO... Smiley

you will never know the pleasure.
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Reply #11 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 4:48pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 4:04pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 3:44pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 3:28pm:
And here is yet another idiot thread bashing a MANUFACTURER still doing it in australia. This country has already demonstrated that it can build some of the worlds best cars but are hamstrung by our low population. IN any other thread you would be bemoaning the loss of manufacturing in this country but when the govt steps in to help, all you do is complain - again.

on one hand you hate retailers and manufactures and then on the oter hand you wonder where they all went...

you truly are spiteful, bitter people who fortunately are nowhere near the levers of power or decision-making. And of course probably none of you have ever bought a new car anyhow.


These are not Australian businesses idiot !! They are multinational corporations who make money out of begging from one country to another and the profits they make don't stay in Australia !!

And if they are such great cars why aren't they exporting them all over the world ??

What sort of business expects to be bailed out by the tax payers on a regular basis !!

Trust you to support a poor excuse for a business !!


A) they are AUSTRALIAN manufacturers using australian goods and australian workers. Holden has one of the best vehicle design teams with GM which is why they chose the zeta platform (from Holden) as the basis for their rear-wheel vehicles world-wide.

B) unless you mised the news - and it seems you did - GMH have been exporting their cars especially to the middle east and also UK as top-line vehicles

C) other businesses and industries get assistance, why not cars?

you just hate petrol cars because you can never afford to buy one or fill one up. Cuks to be you because the rest of the world is buying them and loving them. My plan is to buy the FPV-GT 335 and get the 420Kw upgrade. or perhaps wait a little longer and hope to getr a GTHO... Smiley

you will never know the pleasure.


You are an idiot as usual.

A) Ford and GMH are NOT Australian businesses and the profits go overseas whereas many Australian businesses which employ people get absolutely nothing !! How does that work ??

B) Then why do they keep needing the handouts if they are so profitable ??

C) what handouts ?? I never get any handouts. I do R&D on a regular basis and I don't receive a single cent for it !! But I do get a BAS statement as a reminder to make a compulsory donation to the government. It's nice to feel like a second rate citizen in your own country Sad

Nobody is buying Fords except idiots like you that is why they can't export them. Not enough idiots like you in the world Cheesy LOL
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Reply #12 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 5:25pm
 
Hear hear Nail,
Can Longweekend explain why we use petrol at all?

We sell gas to the Chinese for 4 cents a litre.
We should have been using gas in all cars for the last 30 years.

I think it's because the oil companies control all our governments.
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Reply #13 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 6:19pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 4:48pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 4:04pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 3:44pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 3:28pm:
And here is yet another idiot thread bashing a MANUFACTURER still doing it in australia. This country has already demonstrated that it can build some of the worlds best cars but are hamstrung by our low population. IN any other thread you would be bemoaning the loss of manufacturing in this country but when the govt steps in to help, all you do is complain - again.

on one hand you hate retailers and manufactures and then on the oter hand you wonder where they all went...

you truly are spiteful, bitter people who fortunately are nowhere near the levers of power or decision-making. And of course probably none of you have ever bought a new car anyhow.


These are not Australian businesses idiot !! They are multinational corporations who make money out of begging from one country to another and the profits they make don't stay in Australia !!

And if they are such great cars why aren't they exporting them all over the world ??

What sort of business expects to be bailed out by the tax payers on a regular basis !!

Trust you to support a poor excuse for a business !!


A) they are AUSTRALIAN manufacturers using australian goods and australian workers. Holden has one of the best vehicle design teams with GM which is why they chose the zeta platform (from Holden) as the basis for their rear-wheel vehicles world-wide.

B) unless you mised the news - and it seems you did - GMH have been exporting their cars especially to the middle east and also UK as top-line vehicles

C) other businesses and industries get assistance, why not cars?

you just hate petrol cars because you can never afford to buy one or fill one up. Cuks to be you because the rest of the world is buying them and loving them. My plan is to buy the FPV-GT 335 and get the 420Kw upgrade. or perhaps wait a little longer and hope to getr a GTHO... Smiley

you will never know the pleasure.


You are an idiot as usual.

A) Ford and GMH are NOT Australian businesses and the profits go overseas whereas many Australian businesses which employ people get absolutely nothing !! How does that work ??

B) Then why do they keep needing the handouts if they are so profitable ??

C) what handouts ?? I never get any handouts. I do R&D on a regular basis and I don't receive a single cent for it !! But I do get a BAS statement as a reminder to make a compulsory donation to the government. It's nice to feel like a second rate citizen in your own country Sad

Nobody is buying Fords except idiots like you that is why they can't export them. Not enough idiots like you in the world Cheesy LOL


who do u really think you are kidding? NOBODY believes you are doing legitimate R&D! you are the least informed poster here on almost every topic.
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Reply #14 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 6:49pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 6:19pm:
who do u really think you are kidding? NOBODY believes you are doing legitimate R&D! you are the least informed poster here on almost every topic.


But I do dickhead so I know the system better than you do Wink

Now tell us about this supposed assistance that other businesses get Cheesy LOL
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