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Reply #30 - Jan 11^th, 2012 at 10:56am

Time & a half for Saturday's after 8
Double time for all day Sunday
Double time & a half for Public Hols

So I probably got more than the rates they are quoting now.

You never put a name to your critic here's a good review of him
http://www.boomtownrap.com/107/and-the-boomtown-rap-silver-spoon-perth-food-crit...

Seems like a reasonable reviewer, but I keep coming back to the point "why try & drive down wages?"
Why is he adding his voice to the employers side?
Forget this rubbish that people wont work, most don't have that luxury, they'll work when told.
Security from what little I know are on $28+ p/hour normal time

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Reply #31 - Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:08am

Swagman wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 10:22am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 9:43am:

No you see you have it arse about face.
Before the 1900's we had nothing like the the IR we have now, in fact it was the IR system you are now calling progessive.
Work whenever for as little as possible.

I'm not referring to the 1900s. Aust's labour regulation is circa 60 - 80s. No internet, little or no extended trading hours, little or no Global competition, regulated banking etc etc

It might have been ok then but now it's one main reason our manufacturing industry is stuffed and companies are going off shore for services.

Again the lack of understanding - penalty rates go back to at least the 1940's and 1950's as does an additional weeks leave for genuine shift workers.

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Reply #32 - Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:11am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 10:08am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 9:54am:

As I have mentioned before, the recent example where we asked our foreign subsidiaries to perform a weekend year close inventory count highlighted to me what a disgraceful "whats in it for me?" work ethic Australia has in comparison to other parts of the world.

Singapore, Japan, Germany and Puerto Rico showed Australia up to be the disgrace that it is.

Disgrace or advanced???
Sure Andrei I've seen that you did a few emails boxing day(how long was that 10mins or 8 hrs worth).
But I also read how you nip off for 18 holes midweek, do those guys you are lauding in Singapore get the same privillage or are they just drones?
Why is having time for yourself & your family now seen as a problem.
I work to live NOT live to work, you should try it.
Your daughters will thank you.

It's not a problem and I am all for a healthy work-life balance.

I don't know the set-up in SG, it'll be run locally by the SEA Director - he may well allow the guys some time to do other things.

My point though is we ask people to do something for the company.
To help out, to do their bit.

Why is it the other subs can show a bit of work ethic and complete the task whereas the response we get from Aus is "we need to bring in contractors to do it or we need to pay overtime for weekends?"

Fking disgrace, no wonder jobs move overseas.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Masterchef moron attacks penalty rates Reply #33 - Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:12am ahhh dunno about driving down wages. I'd be happy for base rates to improve, especially for skilled work (ie chefs) but removal of penalty rates. that is, be paid $25 per hour, every hour rather than $20 before 7pm and $30 after. It'd be simpler for the employer, and would be fairer.
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Reply #34 - Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:13am

Swagman wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 10:22am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 9:43am:

No you see you have it arse about face.
Before the 1900's we had nothing like the the IR we have now, in fact it was the IR system you are now calling progessive.
Work whenever for as little as possible.

I'm not referring to the 1900s. Aust's labour regulation is circa 60 - 80s. No internet, little or no extended trading hours, little or no Global competition, regulated banking etc etc

It might have been ok then but now it's one main reason our manufacturing industry is stuffed and companies are going off shore for services.

Yes its a tough question Should we partisipate in a race to the bottom - can we be competative with the third world on wages and conditions or should we even try?

Should we support the companies who do or should we penalise them in some fashon.

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Reply #35 - Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:16am

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

ahhh dunno about driving down wages. I'd be happy for base rates to improve, especially for skilled work (ie chefs) but removal of penalty rates. that is, be paid $25 per hour, every hour rather than $20 before 7pm and $30 after.

It'd be simpler for the employer, and would be fairer.

Not for the guy who is expected to work all the difficult hours while others get all the cream shifts at the same rate for less effort, danger and damge to their life relationships etc.

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Reply #36 - Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:20am

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

ahhh dunno about driving down wages. I'd be happy for base rates to improve, especially for skilled work (ie chefs) but removal of penalty rates. that is, be paid $25 per hour, every hour rather than $20 before 7pm and $30 after.

It'd be simpler for the employer, and would be fairer.

We find common ground

Although you will note NONE other than yourself have uttered this sensible approach.
Georgie boy & the rest have bitched about penalty rates but have been mute on normal time rates.

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toots Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146	Re: Masterchef moron attacks penalty rates Reply #37 - Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:31am If I owned a restaurant, I would hate having to pay penalty rates but if I were a kitchen hand, slogging away in a hot kitchen on Sunday, I would think it’s fair and just. Everything seems to comes back to boss versus worker - it just depends on which side of the fence you are on.
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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: Masterchef moron attacks penalty rates Reply #38 - Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:35am I always thought industries such as hospitality, there was the expectation of weekend and nights. Its not like a Monday morning in a pub or restaruant is going to be busier than a Friday night.
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Reply #39 - Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:39am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:20am:

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

ahhh dunno about driving down wages. I'd be happy for base rates to improve, especially for skilled work (ie chefs) but removal of penalty rates. that is, be paid $25 per hour, every hour rather than $20 before 7pm and $30 after.

It'd be simpler for the employer, and would be fairer.

We find common ground

Although you will note NONE other than yourself have uttered this sensible approach.
Georgie boy & the rest have bitched about penalty rates but have been mute on normal time rates.

yeah I wouldn't expect the restaurant owners to talk about that...they need to pull their socks up too. They like to charge the prices expected of high-end establishments, but don't a) provide the service to standard and b) don't remunerate those who make it possible accordingly.
yeah theres a personal angle to this - my wife was a chef at a fine dining restaurant, the kind of place where you could expect to pay $100 a dish. She made this food that could fetch $100 a plate, and for this, she was 'rewarded' at the princely rate of $15 and change. 4 years apprenticeship to be paid 15 lousy bucks an hour.

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Reply #40 - Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:43am

Verge wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:35am:

I always thought industries such as hospitality, there was the expectation of weekend and nights.

Its not like a Monday morning in a pub or restaruant is going to be busier than a Friday night.

If you work normally in a regular 9 - 5 role then you probably should be entitled to overtime at a higher rate for certain levels of roles.

However if you work ordinarily in an industry where you would work well beyond that, then you should just be paid the same.

Like the all night shopping in London, if their normal hours are 1am - 6am, then you shouldnt get penalty rates for that because its what you signed up.

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Reply #41 - Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:49am

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:39am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:20am:

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

ahhh dunno about driving down wages. I'd be happy for base rates to improve, especially for skilled work (ie chefs) but removal of penalty rates. that is, be paid $25 per hour, every hour rather than $20 before 7pm and $30 after.

It'd be simpler for the employer, and would be fairer.

We find common ground

Although you will note NONE other than yourself have uttered this sensible approach.
Georgie boy & the rest have bitched about penalty rates but have been mute on normal time rates.

yeah I wouldn't expect the restaurant owners to talk about that...they need to pull their socks up too. They like to charge the prices expected of high-end establishments, but don't a) provide the service to standard and b) don't remunerate those who make it possible accordingly.
yeah theres a personal angle to this - my wife was a chef at a fine dining restaurant, the kind of place where you could expect to pay $100 a dish. She made this food that could fetch $100 a plate, and for this, she was 'rewarded' at the princely rate of $15 and change. 4 years apprenticeship to be paid 15 lousy bucks an hour.

Why do you think there are very few middle aged Chefs.

Fantastic young blokes trade
Sleep in
Work with heaps of chicks
Finish when town just starts pumping

But for your average 30 year old person married with kids, the hours suck & the pay sucks even more.
I still look & the average offered around here is between 45 & 55K & that's salary.
Maybe fair for your 38 to 40 hour Mon to Fri week but the reality as you would know is 50hrs minimum & weekend work.

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Reply #43 - Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:58am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:53am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

but the reality as you would know is 50hrs minimum & weekend work.

That's a quiet week for me and many others....

Maybe so, but a very long week for most. It's not a competititon to see who can work the most hours.

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Reply #44 - Jan 11^th, 2012 at 12:02pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:39am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:20am:

... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

ahhh dunno about driving down wages. I'd be happy for base rates to improve, especially for skilled work (ie chefs) but removal of penalty rates. that is, be paid $25 per hour, every hour rather than $20 before 7pm and $30 after.

It'd be simpler for the employer, and would be fairer.

We find common ground

Although you will note NONE other than yourself have uttered this sensible approach.
Georgie boy & the rest have bitched about penalty rates but have been mute on normal time rates.

yeah I wouldn't expect the restaurant owners to talk about that...they need to pull their socks up too. They like to charge the prices expected of high-end establishments, but don't a) provide the service to standard and b) don't remunerate those who make it possible accordingly.
yeah theres a personal angle to this - my wife was a chef at a fine dining restaurant, the kind of place where you could expect to pay $100 a dish. She made this food that could fetch $100 a plate, and for this, she was 'rewarded' at the princely rate of $15 and change. 4 years apprenticeship to be paid 15 lousy bucks an hour.

Why do you think there are very few middle aged Chefs.

Fantastic young blokes trade
Sleep in
Work with heaps of chicks
Finish when town just starts pumping

But for your average 30 year old person married with kids, the hours suck & the pay sucks even more.
I still look & the average offered around here is between 45 & 55K & that's salary.
Maybe fair for your 38 to 40 hour Mon to Fri week but the reality as you would know is 50hrs minimum & weekend work.

Thats why ours never leave, never any more than 40 hours a week (still has nights and weekends but never late nights) and start at $55k.

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