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Re: What despicable creatures these are
Reply #90 - Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 12:32pm

Sorry Les, next time I should be less subtle in pointing out your hypocrisy. Muslims always complain that we cannot hold current events against their religion, despite the obvious connections to Islam, because the countries they occur in are not proper Islamic states. Yet they happily hold up these 'not proper Islamic states' as examples of how good Islam is when it suits them.

Hypocrisy.

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Re: What despicable creatures these are
Reply #91 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 11:08am

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 8:22am:

Jan wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 3:36am:

Not to mention the Palestinians had lived peacefully with the Jews who lived there, as well as with Christians

The Muslims have always lived 'peacefully' with Jews and Christians, so long as those Jews and Christians were content with being at the bottom of the heap (still better than the fate of people from other faiths).

Yeh as opposed to non-Christians who lived in Europe... where they didn't really live, they were usually put to death, forced to convert or one after the other.

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Re: What despicable creatures these are
Reply #92 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 11:19am

Yadda wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 10:50am:

The Hebrew word pronounced 'alah', is the pronouncement of a curse.

'alah', was a curse, put upon mankind, but especially, put upon [all of Israel, and] the Jewish people [....as a 'reward' for, forgetting their God, for departing from his law, and for breaking their covenant with their holy God.].

Daniel 9:11
Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

"....the oath that is written in the law of Moses"

???
Google;

the song of moses

see.....
Deuteronomy 31:14 to Deuteronomy 32:47

Quote:

Strong's Hebrew
422 'alah aw-law'
a primitive root; properly, to adjure, i.e. (usually in a bad sense) imprecate:--adjure, curse, swear.

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Strong's Hebrew
423 'alah aw-law'
from 422; an imprecation:--curse, cursing, execration, oath, swearing.

Dictionary;
execrate = =
1 feel or express great loathing for.
2 archaic curse; swear.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H422&t=KJV
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H423&version=KJV

'Allah', is a curse upon all of mankind.

Not a 'name' for God.

Eyes to see ?

Clearly you didn't read your own link well enough, because it shows that this word is cognate to the Arabic word ألى not to الله. But I don't blame poor ignorant you. This mixup comes about because Hebrew is such a corrupted language, it doesn't know the difference between the letters 'heh' and 'alef' The last letter of the word for curse is alef, not heh. So it should be written in English as ala, not alah, but in Hebrew orthography it is mixed up with the root word for God. These kinds of mixups occur all throughout the hodge podge of a language that is Hebrew. I find it laughable when Christians try to claim it's the original language of paradise.

The correct Strong's entry you are after is this one:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H433&t=KJV

And I quote from it: "Arabic إلاه, إله with article الله (Allah) of the true God, Syriac ܐܠܗܐ (Elaha)"

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Re: What despicable creatures these are
Reply #93 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 11:22am

Short summary of every Jewish holiday: “They tried to kill us, we won, let's eat.”

Here's a thoroughly researched an documented article on "Jew Hatred and Jihad--From Medina to Mumbai"

http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/29599/sec_id/29599

I would be really interested if anyone could show that any of the examples are historically inaccurate.

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Re: What despicable creatures these are
Reply #95 - Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:56pm

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

Clearly you didn't read your own link well enough, because it shows that this word is cognate to the Arabic word ألى not to الله. But I don't blame poor ignorant you.

This mixup comes about because Hebrew is such a corrupted language,.....

Oh really ?

You think that ?

Surprise, surprise.
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abu_rashid wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

.....it doesn't know the difference between the letters 'heh' and 'alef' The last letter of the word for curse is alef, not heh. So it should be written in English as ala, not alah, but in Hebrew orthography it is mixed up with the root word for God. These kinds of mixups occur all throughout the hodge podge of a language that is Hebrew. I find it laughable when Christians try to claim it's the original language of paradise.

The correct Strong's entry you are after is this one:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H433&t=KJV

And I quote from it: "Arabic إلاه, إله with article الله (Allah) of the true God, Syriac ܐܠܗܐ (Elaha)"

Yes, Abu

EL-owahh

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H433
Transliteration

'elowahh

EL, EL, EL - owahh

Yes, >>> EL <<< is a word, a prefix, signifying 'God'.

Elasah, the doings of God
El-beth-el, the God of Bethel
Eldaah, knowledge of God
Eldad, favored of God; love of God
Elead, witness of God
Elealeh, burnt-offering of God
Eleazar, help of God, court of God
El-elohe-Israel, God, the God of Israel
Elhanan, grace, or gift, or mercy of God
Eli, Eli, my God, my God
Eliab, God is my father; God is the father
Eliada, knowledge of God
Eliah, God the Lord
Eliahba, my God the Father
Eliakim, resurrection of God
Eliam, the people of God
Eliashib, the God of conversion
Eliathah, thou art my God
Elidad, beloved of God
Eliel, God, my God
Elienai, the God of my eyes
Eliezer, help, or court, of my God
Elihu,he is my God himself
Elijah, God the Lord, the strong Lord
Elika, pelican of God
Elimelech, my God is king
Eliphal, a miracle of God
Eliphalet, the God of deliverance
Eliphaz, the endeavor of God
Elisabeth, Elizabeth, the oath, or fullness, of God
Elisha, salvation of God
Elishah, it is God; the lamb of God: God that gives help
Elishama, God hearing
Elishaphat, my God judgeth
Elisheba, same as Elisabeth
Elishua, God is my salvation
Eliud, God is my praise
Elizur, God is my strength; my rock; rock of God
Elkanah, God the zealous; the zeal of God
Elkeshai, hardiness or rigor of God
Ellasar, revolting from God
Elmodam, the God of measure, or of the garment
Elnaam, God's fairness
Elnathan, God hath given; the gift of God
Elohi, Elohim, God
Elpaal, God's work
Elteketh, the case of God
Eltolad, the generation of God
Eluzai, God is my strength
Elzabad, the dowry of God
Elzaphan, God of the northeast wind

Is the word alah, the same word as elowahh [el-owahh] ???

No.

Does the word alah, have the same meaning as word as elowahh [el-owahh] ???

No.

The word alah, has the meaning to curse.

Isra-el

Isra-EL = = a prince with God.

Allah = = A curse, upon mankind.

Daniel:9:11:
Yea, all Israel 3478 have transgressed 5674-1 thy law, 8451 even by departing, 5493-2 that they might not obey 8085-2 thy voice; 6963 therefore the curse 423 is poured 5413-4 upon us, and the oath 7621 that [is] written 3789-7 in the law 8451 of Moses 4872 the servant 5650 of God, 430 because we have sinned 2398-1 against him.

Quote:

Strong's Hebrew
423 'alah aw-law'
from 422; an imprecation:--curse, cursing, execration, oath, swearing.

Dictionary;
execrate = =
1 feel or express great loathing for.
2 archaic curse; swear.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H423&version=KJV

The CURSE.

The CURSE.

The CURSE.

The alah.

Not the EL-owahh

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Just keep saying no, Abu.

Just keep saying you can't 'see it', Abu.

Just keep insisting that Allah, is the name of your God. [.......I BELIEVE YOU Abu !!!!]

Isaiah 6:9
And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

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Re: What despicable creatures these are
Reply #96 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 1:20am

Look up the Strong's number I linked for you. Clearly the root of the word for God in Hebrew is alef-lamed-heh (ie. a-l-h). The root for curse is alef-lamed-alef, but in Hebrew final alef (known as alef maqsurah in Arabic) is represented with heh due to Hebrew's mixing up of letters and their undeveloped orthographic system.

ܽThe roots are the same in most Semitic languages:

In Syriac:
ܐܠܐ (a-l-a) = to wail, lament, howl.
ܐܠܗܐ (a-l-h-a) = God.

In Arabic:
ألى (a-l-a) = to swear.
الله (a-l-l-h) = God.

In Amharic:
አሌ (a-l-e) = to utter "woe" upon someone.
እግዜር (e-g-z-r) = God. (not quite relevant)

Also if we examine those common Semitic words which have final alef in the root, we find in Hebrew they consistently are represented with heh, meaning Hebrew changed all root final alefs consistently to heh. Which explains why Hebrew mixes up these two roots, which the other Semitic languages clearly show to be different. But those who have a disease in their hearts will always reject the plain truth when it is brought to them.

Also Yadda, are you suggesting that in this Biblical verse for instance, the meaning of the highlighted word is actually curse? Did a curse make him? Is a curse the rock of his salvation? Perhaps it's the rock of your salvation then?

But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered [with fatness]; then he forsook God [which] made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation. (Deuteronomy 32:15)

Because the word translated as "God" here is eloah - alef-lamed-waw-heh (אלוה), ie. the cognate listed on Blueletter Bible as being equivalent etymologically to Arabic Allah and Syriac Elaha.

"El" is merely a shortened form of the root a-l-h, and in many Semitic languages the two usages exist side by side, like Hebrew, and have nothing to do with the root a-l-a meaning curse/wail/moan.

But don't bother answering if this still doesn't penetrate your heart, because I think we both know you have blinded yourself to the truth, in order to try and justify your hatred for Muslims. You will goto any length no matter how obviously illogical just to spread your vile hatred. And I think you clearly know what you're saying is unfactual. But unfortunately you've gone too far down that road to turn back... haven't you?

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Re: What despicable creatures these are
Reply #97 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 3:06am

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 8:22am:

The Muslims have always lived 'peacefully' with Jews and Christians, so long as those Jews and Christians were content with being at the bottom of the heap (still better than the fate of people from other faiths).

I trust you can post evidence of the Jews being on the bottom of the heap, you keep saying things with no back-up ... wassa matter can't find anything factual?

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Reply #98 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 3:15am

Yadda wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:56pm:

[Daniel:9:11:
Yea, all Israel 3478 have transgressed 5674-1 thy law, 8451 even by departing, 5493-2 that they might not obey 8085-2 thy voice; 6963 therefore the curse 423 is poured 5413-4 upon us, and the oath 7621 that [is] written 3789-7 in the law 8451 of Moses 4872 the servant 5650 of God, 430 because we have sinned 2398-1 against him.

Isaiah 6:9
And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

Please Yadda, SHUT UP!!!!!

Your constant Quotes from the man written, Zionist brainwashing manual, is beginning to p1ss me off.

Say something for YOURSELF.

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Reply #99 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 3:39am

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 1:23pm:

Abu are the European dark ages a justification for Islamic oppression of non-Muslims? Are people hypocrits for criticising modern Muslims who want to return to the barbaric ways if their distant ancestors were also barbaric?

Are you afraid to say what you mean Fd ... what 'people'? Do you mean Zionists?

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Reply #100 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:30am

Jan wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 3:39am:

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 1:23pm:

Abu are the European dark ages a justification for Islamic oppression of non-Muslims? Are people hypocrits for criticising modern Muslims who want to return to the barbaric ways if their distant ancestors were also barbaric?

Are you afraid to say what you mean Fd ... what 'people'? Do you mean Zionists?

That's a fuggen convenient mindset you've got there, seething numptie:
anyone critical of Muslims pining for the barbarous past = zionist.

What else have you got?

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Re: What despicable creatures these are
Reply #101 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 9:52am

Soren,

Usually at the end of every anti-Islamic rope we find a Zionist or Zionist sympathiser holding onto the end.

Even the anti-Muslim movements in Europe are all backed and bankrolled by Zionists, even though traditionally they've been bitter enemies, trying to eradicate the Jews.

So it's for good reason that anti-Islamic is assumed to mean Zionist. You yourself have proven time and again to be a loyal and devoted Zionist worshipper.

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Reply #103 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 10:23am

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 9:52am:

Soren,

Usually at the end of every anti-Islamic rope we find a Zionist or Zionist sympathiser holding onto the end.

Even the anti-Muslim movements in Europe are all backed and bankrolled by Zionists, even though traditionally they've been bitter enemies, trying to eradicate the Jews.

So it's for good reason that anti-Islamic is assumed to mean Zionist. You yourself have proven time and again to be a loyal and devoted Zionist worshipper.

Yes, but by the same token, at the end of every anti-Jewish rope, we find a Muslim or Muslim sympathiser

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Re: What despicable creatures these are
Reply #104 - Feb 5^th, 2012 at 10:40am

gizmo,

This is simply not true. The biggest anti-Jews have traditionally been Christians, Europeans especially. Don't you remember how they loaded Jews into huge ovens to try and rid the world of them once and for all?

On the flip side Muslims have throughout history helped and sheltered Jews. Don't you remember the Spanish reconquista and inquisition? The Ottoman state gave shelter to all Jews who fled it. French and Albanian Muslims (amongst others) sheltered Jews during WWII.

So this is not the case at all.

Muslims have no particular beef against Jews, only the Zionists who've turfed them out of their homes, for obvious reasons.

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