freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2012 at 1:11pm:


Death and destruction at the hands of a brutal and criminal government.

Jan wrote on Jan 31^st, 2012 at 8:21pm:


I guess it's true then.

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Doesn't sound all that different from the proper Islamic method of 'displacing' people.

Certainly nowhere near as many Turks and other Muslims were murdered and made refugees during that period.

Armenians were certainly not exterminated, this is the kind of 'history' one needs to make laws to enforce, because it's just a load of bollocks, that is easily refuted, if open debate is allowed on it.

Soren wrote on Jan 31^st, 2012 at 1:14pm:


1. Tasmania: 62,409 sq Klms ... 1943 pop. 30,000

    Palestine: 22,072 sq. Klms ... 1946 total pop. 1,845,560

consisting of 1,076,780 Muslims, 145,060 Christians, 608,230 Jews.

Tasmania is approx. 2/3 larger than (Israel) but the poulation in PALESTINE 1946 is 63x larger than Tas. ie size is no excuse.


2. The Jews were offerred several countries before the British mandate was introduced all of which were refused because their objective (set in concrete) was Palestine.

3. It was Herzl who created the first Zionist Congress at Basel, Switzerland, 29-31 August 1897, There were 197 "delegates"; some were orthodox, some nationalist, liberal, atheist, culturalist, anarchist, socialist and some capitalist.

In his diary Herzl describes submitting his draft proposals to the Rothschild Family Council, noting: "I bring to the Rothschilds and the big Jews their historical mission. I shall welcome all men of goodwill -- we must be united -- and crush all those of bad."

He read his manuscript "Addressed to the Rothschilds" to a friend, Meyer-Cohn, who said,

"Up till now I have believed that we are not a nation -- but more than a nation. I believed that we have the historic mission of being the exponents of universalism among the nations and therefore were more than a people identified with a specific land."

Herzl replied:

Nothing prevents us from being and remaining the exponents of a united humanity, when we have a country of our own. To fulfill this mission we do not have to remain literally planted among the nations who hate and despite us. If, in our present circumstances, we wanted to bring about the unity of mankind independent of national boundaries, we would have to combat the ideal of patriotism. The latter, however, will prove stronger than we for innumerable years to come."

Meanwhile, returning from a visit to British East Africa in the Spring of 1903, Prime Minister Joseph Chamberlain put to Herzl the idea of a Jewish settlement in what was soon to become the Colony of Kenya, but through a misunderstanding Herzl believed that Uganda was intended, and it was referred to as the "Uganda scheme."

Herzl urged acceptance of the "Uganda scheme," favoring it as a temporary refuge, but he was opposed from all sides, and died suddenly of heart failure on 3 July 1904. Herzl's death rid the Zionists of an "alien," and he was replaced by David Wolffsohn (the Litvak)

At the Tenth Zionist Congress in 1911, David Wolffsohn, who had succeeded Herzl, said in his presidential address that what the Zionists wanted was not a Jewish state but a homeland,  while Max Nordau denounced the "infamous traducers," who alleged that "the Zionists ... wanted to worm their way into Turkey in order to seize Palestine . It is our duty to convince (the Turks) that ... they possess in the whole world no more generous and self-sacrificing friends than the Zionists."

"After many years of striving, the conviction was forced upon us that we stood before a blank wall, which it was impossible for us to surmount by ordinary political means," said Weizmann of the last pre-war Zionist Congress. But the strength of the national will forged for itself two main roads towards its goal -- the gradual extension and strengthening of our Yishuv (Hebrew: literally, "settlement," a collective name for the Jewish settlers) in Palestine and the spreading of the Zionist idea throughout the length and breadth of Jewry.

As a result of the Congress, the "Basic Protocol," keystone of the world Zionist movement, was adopted as follows:

Zionism strives to create for the Jewish people a home in Palestine secured by public law. The Congress contemplates the following means to the attainment of this end:

1. The promotion on suitable lines of the colonization of Palestine by Jewish agricultural and industrial workers.

2. The organization and binding together of the whole of Jewry by means of appropriate institutions, local and international, in accordance with the laws of each country.

3. The strengthening and fostering of Jewish national sentiment and consciousness.

4. Preparatory steps towards obtaining Government consent where necessary to the attainment of the aim of Zionism. The British Chovevei-Zion Association declined an invitation to be represented at the Congress, and the Executive Committee of the Association of Rabbis in Germany protested that:

1. The efforts of so-called Zionists to found a Jewish national state in Palestine contradict the messianic promise of Judaism as contained in the Holy Writ and in later religious sources

2. Judaism obligates its adherents to serve with all devotion the Fatherland to which they belong, and to further its national interests with all their heart and with all their strength.

3. However, those noble aims directed toward the colonization of Palestine by Jewish peasants and farmers are not in contradiction to these obligations, because they have no relation whatsoever to the founding of a national state.

It may be that Turkey will refuse or be unable to understand us. This will not discourage us. We will seek other means to accomplish our end. The Orient question is now the question of the day. Sooner or later it will bring about a conflict among the nations. A European war is imminent. . The great European War must come. With my watch in hand do I await this terrible moment. After the great European war is ended the Peace Conference will assemble. We must be ready for that time. We will assuredly be called to this great conference of the nations and we must prove to them the urgent importance of a Zionist solution to the Jewish Question. We must prove to them that the problem of the Orient and Palestine is one with the problem of the Jews -- both must be solved together. We must prove to them that the Jewish problem is a world problem and that a world problem must be solved by the world. And the solution must be the return of Palestine to the Jewish people.[American Jewish News, 7 March 1919]

Jan wrote on Jan 31^st, 2012 at 10:37pm:

Speaking of Rothschilds:




Yael Rothschild (inset) and Melissa Cook.

A MUM has angrily denied snatching Novak Djokovic's Australian Open shirt from a teenager, and declared the sweaty souvenir is hers for the keeping.

Yael Rothschild said she was hurt, and her three daughters very upset, by any suggestion the apparel she souvenired had been grabbed from schoolgirl Melissa Cook, 14, or that it had even been intended for her.

Melissa had appealed for the return of a top that was among garments the celebrating champion tossed into the centre court crowd.

She claimed a woman in the crowd had snatched it from her.

But Mrs Rothschild denied she had snatched her shirt from Melissa.

"When the shirt was thrown, there would have been 20 excited people, all with their hands out," she said.

"After (it had been) thrown, there would have been 19 disappointed people.

"Such is life...," she said.

Djokovic used several shirts during the final.

Mrs Rothschild said she had not seen Melissa cry after missing a shirt...

"...I'm keeping it..."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mum-shirty-over-schoolgirls-claim-on-djokovic-t-shirt/story-e6frf7jo-1226258826664

falah wrote on Jan 31^st, 2012 at 10:37pm:


Falah I think what he is trying to say is that it doesn't justify trying to start WWIII. Or all the absurd antisemitism we are seeing from Muslims right here.

Seems like at any one time - both sides are focusing on the symptoms rather than a cure.

We look at incidents like this to either prove our point, incite or recruit. To what end?

The continued violence is evidence of the son paying for the sins of their father.

The reality is if we tried to accurately trace all the facts back to who did what and why they did it - it remains the actions are of your fathers' fathers' father.

Finding out who was at fault will is one way of absolving one side of their sins. The reality is you can't do it - not with any certainty that is acceptable to either side. Unless of course we get Allah and God sitting at a table telling everyone to stop it.

Both sides of the fence believe there's only one true God. The Muslims - Allah. The Jews - God. Wouldn't it be ironic if Allah and God of the Jews are the one and the same?

If so - then this conflict is man made and man perpetuated to satisfy his personal inadequacies, vendetta or lust for power.

To say that your God is the true God and that someone esle's God is not is all man created. We've been doing this "mine is better than yours" comic routine for centuries. This is why war starts. This is why we have riots at soccer games.

Those who knows how to control the "mine is better than yours" phenomena makes money.

How much money does the church make?

How much money does a soccer team like Manchester United make?

John Lennon - should have said "Imagine all Gods are the same"