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Reply #75 - Feb 1st, 2012 at 12:26pm
 
So what is the cure Maqqa?
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Reply #76 - Feb 1st, 2012 at 1:02pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 1st, 2012 at 10:23am:
Maqqa wrote on Feb 1st, 2012 at 9:54am:
Both sides of the fence believe there's only one true God. The Muslims - Allah. The Jews - God. Wouldn't it be ironic if Allah and God of the Jews are the one and the same?




Umm Maqqa...they are the same.....both sides even acknowledge that...






gizmo,

That is a falsehood, which moslems [and some un-learned Christians] foster, to the naive and to the willingly ignorant.

An individual need only read the Bible and the Koran, and compare the nature of Allah, with the nature of the God of Israel, to see a stark difference in nature between these two deities.

Why is it that people who claim to be Christians, refuse to read their Bibles?

Isaiah 6:9
And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

Matthew 13:10
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4  And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.



It is true that Moslems promote the idea that Allah, and the God of Israel, are the same entity.

And why wouldn't they?

As this gives legitimacy to their claim that their 'faith', ISLAM is 'progressed' from Judaism and Christianity.




Personally i believe that 'Allah' is Lucifer.

And if 'Allah' is Lucifer, who do you think that the false prophet [of Revelation] may be ?



Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.



Google;
a different god allah

Google;
allah another god




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #77 - Feb 1st, 2012 at 1:17pm
 
Gizmo was talking about Jews and Muslims, not nutty Christians like you Yadda (and I don't mean that all Christians are nutty, I am referring to extremists like Yadda).


It is a fact that "Allah" means "God" in Arabic.

It is fact that Jewish and Christian Arabs used the word "Allah" when they prayed.

Historically, have been Arabian Jews who were named AbdAllah (servant of God).

In Semitic languages such as Hebrew, the word for "God" is pretty much the same.

What word did Moses and Abraham use for "God", I can assure you that the did not use the Germanic/English word "God".
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Reply #78 - Feb 1st, 2012 at 1:31pm
 
The very first Christians were Jewish people.

It can be argued that early Christianity was a Jewish sect.

Real 'Christianity' is, effectively, a Jewish sect.

Jesus himself, was a Torah observant Jewish man.



Psalms 83:16
Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD.
17  Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:
18  That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.






Romans 2:28
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29  But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


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Reply #79 - Feb 1st, 2012 at 3:22pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 1st, 2012 at 1:31pm:
The very first Christians were Jewish people.

It can be argued that early Christianity was a Jewish sect.

Real 'Christianity' is, effectively, a Jewish sect.

Jesus himself, was a Torah observant Jewish man.



Psalms 83:16
Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD.
17  Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:
18  That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.






Romans 2:28
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29  But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.



Yes. Paul didn't invent Christianity till a long time after Jesus so what?

What word do you think Jesus used to pray to God? (Hint: he definitely didn't use the English/Germanic word "God")


Mark 15:34

Weymouth New Testament:

But at three o'clock Jesus cried out with a loud voice, "
Elohi, Elohi
, lama sabachthani?" which means, "
My God, My God
, why hast Thou forsaken me?"



Clarifying the linguistic connections between the Names Allah and Elohim.

First we see the identical pronunciation in Scripture:

The word for God in Genesis 1:1 is "Elohim", which is essentially a plural form of a more basic root-Hebrew word for God, (eloh).

Furthermore, the Arabic translation of the Jewish Bible  uses the name "Allah" to refer to God in Genesis 1:1

" Fee al-badi' khalaqa Allahu as-Samaawaat wa al-Ard . . ."



Bible written in Arabic uses "Allah"

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Genesis 1:1
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Reply #80 - Feb 1st, 2012 at 3:46pm
 
falah wrote on Feb 1st, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Bible written in Arabic uses "Allah"


http://www.usislam.org/images/abib-01.gif
Genesis 1:1





I'm sure that it does.


"Report: American Bible translators bowdlerize scriptures to avoid offending Muslims: no "Father" and "Son"

First, Wycliffe and SIL have produced Stories of the Prophets, an Arabic Bible that uses an Arabic equivalent of "Lord" instead of "Father" and "Messiah" instead of "Son."
Second, Frontiers and SIL have produced Meaning of the Gospel of Christ , an Arabic translation which removes "Father" in reference to God and replaces it with "Allah," and removes or redefines "Son." For example, the verse which Christians use to justify going all over the world to make disciples, thus fulfilling the Great Commission (Matthew 28:19) reads, "Cleanse them by water in the name of Allah, his Messiah and his Holy Spirit" instead of "baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." Rev. Bassam Madany, an Arab American who runs Middle East Resources, terms these organization's efforts as "a western imperialistic attempt that's inspired by cultural anthropology, and not by biblical theology." "

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/01/report-american-bible-translaters-bowdlerize-s...


'Accommodating' moslem sensibilities is what many Christians happily do today.

Even denying their own God, their own LORD.


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Reply #81 - Feb 1st, 2012 at 8:24pm
 
Yadda, we've already been over the Yahweh/Allah issue a few times haven't we?

Wasn't it explained to you that Allah is the original Semitic word for God, and that the only verse of your Bible which purports to show Jesus (pbuh) speaking God's name, he supposedly cries out "Elohi Elohi" (my God, my God), not Yahwehi Yahwehi. And that the earliest verses of the Torah all use the word Elohiym, not Yahweh, and that scribes later inserted this word?

Yahweh comes from the Semitic root for wind, and was probably just adopted by the Israelites from other Semitic people around them who worshipped a wind deity or something. The root also means to be flimsy and be blown about in the wind, surely not a characteristic befitting of the Creator.

Arab Christians were using the word Allah to refer to God long before any European even heard of Christianity.
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Reply #82 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 1:49am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 1st, 2012 at 8:21am:
[quote]Falah I think what he is trying to say is that it doesn't justify trying to start WWIII. Or all the absurd antisemitism we are seeing from Muslims right here.


Ahhh Anti-semitism raises it's ugly head once more, only Jews believe that BS these days ... Semites are Arabs also.

Zionists via the ADL invvented anti-semitism to hide their real identity ie. Zionist not Jew, and to be able to silence their opposition by imprisonment. (The only religion in the world to have international laws to silence anyone who questions THEIR version of history).

Genetic Jews were born in the Middle East and are known as Sephardic Jews. These Jews did speak a semitic language, Hebrew , from their earliest incarnation, but also, some at the time of Christ, also spoke Aramaic, Arabic and Amharic because of their location in Jerusalem and other Middle Eastern cities such as what is now Addis Abbabba, Cairo, Baghdad and Damascus. One rarely hears a Sephardic Jew yelling, ”anti-Semite” because he knows better and because he is aware of his own history within semitic language speaking lands. Only Askenazi Jews do the 'yelling'.

Ashkenazi Jews are from Khazaria and spread to Russia and Germany. Ashkenazi Jews DID NOT COME FROM THE HOLYLAND yet they make up the majority of the Israeli population including ALL the government heads, and the ones who initiated the plans for a homeland.


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Reply #83 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 2:22am
 
Maqqa wrote on Feb 1st, 2012 at 9:54am:
Seems like at any one time - both sides are focusing on the symptoms rather than a cure.


You can't have a CURE unless you know the CAUSE and to do that one must follow and research the 'symptoms'.

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We look at incidents like this to either prove our point, incite or recruit. To what end?


To Inform the uninformed, and wipe out ignorance, bought about by PROPAGANDA

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The reality is if we tried to accurately trace all the facts back to who did what and why they did it - it remains the actions are of your fathers' fathers' father.


Tell that to the Israelis, "The Chosen by G-d"

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Both sides of the fence believe there's only one true God.


Not so, the Torah and the Bible speak about ELOHIM (a PLURAL) in Genesis because Judaism took their religion from PAGANS who worshiped nature and the elements and had a deity for all things that sustained 'LIFE'.

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To say that your God is the true God and that someone esle's God is not is all man created.


Everything biblical is man created... eg. "WHO WROTE THE BIBLE"? (even the 'church' acknowleges that fact).

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Those who knows how to control the "mine is better than yours" phenomena makes money.


The Zionists are working hard to make it theirs, and they already have the money.

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How much money does the church make?


More than Manchester United.

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How much money does a soccer team like Manchester United make?


Less than the church.




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Reply #84 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 3:36am
 
Soren wrote on Feb 1st, 2012 at 9:02am:
My point is that the argy-bargy is not about territory or occupation or foreign rule. There have been lots of that around the world - see my examples of the most recent ones - and indeed in the Middle East and on the very spot that is now Israel. Nowhere else is there such carry on and there has never been such carry on by the Arabs themselves when they were under various non-Arab rule, whether in Palestine, which they invaded themselves or elsewhere.
BTW, the name Palesitine was given to, er,  Jewdea by Hadrian in 135 ad, after he put down the second and final, er, Jewish revolt there.


Wrong he called it Syria Palaestina ... Before that it was Judea.

The region has been controlled by numerous different peoples, including the Ancient Egyptians, Canaanites, Ancient Israelites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, the Sunni Arab Caliphate, the Shia Fatimid Caliphate, the Crusaders, Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottomans, the British and modern Israelis and Palestinians. Other terms for the same area include Canaan, Zion, the Land of Israel, Syria Palaestina, Southern Syria, Jund Filastin, Outremer, the Holy Land and the Southern Levant. Modern archaeologists and historians of the region refer to their field of study as Syro-Palestinian archaeology.

Read the full history of PALESTINE at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

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The only issue for the Arabs now, as always, the only reason they are unable to swallow this particular pill, is that it is a Jewish pill. They can't hack the simple fact that the Jews have come back and could not be bossed around like every other time and place in Muslim history. The Jews!!! Mohammed said there will be no peace until all the jews are killed, and now they are in their own country, a successful country, showing up the Muslim impotence and incompetence for the whole world to see. That is the pill the Muslims can't swallow. Anyone but the jews. If Israel survives, Mohammed was a liar. If Mohammed was a crazy meshugge, all Muslims are the same. So the jews in Israel are a fatal argument against Islam.
That's why Israel cannot be allowed to exist by the Muslims. It's not about the interests of Palesitinian Arabs (mistreated by every 'brother' Arab wherever they go) , it is about the jews.


Of course it's about the Jews (Zionists) because the Ashkenazis were never citizens or rulers of Judea (Syria Palaestina) the jews left the land, Arabs never did. The ONLY reason Jews managed to become Israelis with a state of their own was with the might and muscle of Britain and the US and brutal genocide and breaking treaties.

What you and your ilk refer to as "Muslim impotence and incompetence"
is nothing more than being beaten into submission by huge armies armed with the best modern weapons and funded by the US.

When Jews created the problem for Palestine, the Palestinians had no military so there goes your BS about "invading themselves?". Not to mention the Palestinians had lived peacefully with the Jews who lived there, as well as with Christians, so that blows your BS about not being able to accept anything 'un-Muslim' out of the water.

You keep googling for your info and not following through from all sides and get it wrong every time. Typically a Jewish trait of only submitting what suits your own argument, rather than honesty (a dirty word to Zionists).

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Reply #85 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 8:22am
 
Jan wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 3:36am:
Not to mention the Palestinians had lived peacefully with the Jews who lived there, as well as with Christians


The Muslims have always lived 'peacefully' with Jews and Christians, so long as those Jews and Christians were content with being at the bottom of the heap (still better than the fate of people from other faiths).
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Reply #86 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 10:03am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 8:22am:
Jan wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 3:36am:
Not to mention the Palestinians had lived peacefully with the Jews who lived there, as well as with Christians


The Muslims have always lived 'peacefully' with Jews and Christians, so long as those Jews and Christians were content with being at the bottom of the heap (still better than the fate of people from other faiths).



Obviously you didn't read the jewish-written article I posted about how wealthy and influential the Jews of Baghdad were under the Ottoman Empire before the British invasion.

Seems you are also ignorant of how the Jews in Islamic Spain prospered, held important government positions, and mangaed to reach great levels of scientific investigation. Of course that was before the Spanish Christians genocided the Muslims and Jews.

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Reply #87 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 10:50am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 1st, 2012 at 8:24pm:
Yadda, we've already been over the Yahweh/Allah issue a few times haven't we?

Wasn't it explained to you that Allah is the original Semitic word for God, and that the only verse of your Bible which purports to show Jesus (pbuh) speaking God's name, he supposedly cries out "Elohi Elohi" (my God, my God), not Yahwehi Yahwehi. And that the earliest verses of the Torah all use the word Elohiym, not Yahweh, and that scribes later inserted this word?

Yahweh comes from the Semitic root for wind, and was probably just adopted by the Israelites from other Semitic people around them who worshipped a wind deity or something. The root also means to be flimsy and be blown about in the wind, surely not a characteristic befitting of the Creator.

Arab Christians were using the word Allah to refer to God long before any European even heard of Christianity.



Abu......
".....Allah is the original Semitic word for God"







The Hebrew word pronounced 'alah', is the pronouncement of a curse.

'alah', was a curse, put upon mankind, but especially, put upon [all of Israel, and] the Jewish people [....as a 'reward' for, forgetting their God, for departing from his law, and for breaking their covenant with their holy God.].

Daniel 9:11
Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.





"....the oath that is written in the law of Moses"

???


Google;
the song of moses


see.....
Deuteronomy 31:14 to Deuteronomy 32:47






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Strong's Hebrew
422  'alah  aw-law'
a primitive root; properly, to adjure, i.e. (usually in a bad sense) imprecate:--adjure, curse, swear.



Quote:
Strong's Hebrew
423  'alah  aw-law'
from 422; an imprecation:--curse, cursing, execration, oath, swearing.



Dictionary;
execrate = =
1 feel or express great loathing for.
2 archaic curse; swear.



http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H422&t=KJV
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H423&version=KJV





'Allah', is a curse upon all of mankind.

Not a 'name' for God.



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Reply #88 - Feb 2nd, 2012 at 7:03pm
 
falah wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 10:03am:
freediver wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 8:22am:
Jan wrote on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 3:36am:
Not to mention the Palestinians had lived peacefully with the Jews who lived there, as well as with Christians


The Muslims have always lived 'peacefully' with Jews and Christians, so long as those Jews and Christians were content with being at the bottom of the heap (still better than the fate of people from other faiths).



Obviously you didn't read the jewish-written article I posted about how wealthy and influential the Jews of Baghdad were under the Ottoman Empire before the British invasion.

Seems you are also ignorant of how the Jews in Islamic Spain prospered, held important government positions, and mangaed to reach great levels of scientific investigation. Of course that was before the Spanish Christians genocided the Muslims and Jews.



Was Baghdad an Islamic state under Islamic law at the time? Did the Jews prosper because of the Islamic influence, or despite it?
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Reply #89 - Feb 3rd, 2012 at 8:56am
 
lol...FD, you really are an ignoramus...its almost cute.

truly...if you truly don't know if 'Baghdad was an Islamic State under Islamic law'....then perhaps you should give this topic a miss hey.

Let the adults converse....never know, you might actually learn something.

lol.... Grin
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