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Ted shows his DECENT side
Jan 15^th, 2012 at 3:36pm

Give boat people a go: Baillieu

Farrah Tomazin
January 15, 2012.

PREMIER Ted Baillieu says refugees are as Australian as the ANZAC legend of ''Simpson and his donkey'' and should be embraced with open arms.

In comments that put him at odds with some of his Coalition colleagues, Mr Baillieu has urged the community to be more welcoming to refugees, including boat arrivals.

Treating them decently was ''a hallmark of our humanity'', he said.

He likened boat arrivals to his great grandfather, who ''jumped ship'' at the age of 17 to settle in Australia - and the ANZAC soldier John Simpson Kirkpatrick, who used a donkey to carry wounded men at Gallipoli in World War I.

''Refugees are as Australian as Simpson and his donkey,'' he said. ''Indeed, Simpson himself was a boat person and an illegal immigrant, an Englishman who jumped ship and washed up on our shores in 1910.

''Both Simpson and my great grandfather were made welcome by the communities that embraced them, and many more have been since. And Australia is a better place for that.''

Mr Baillieu's remarks were in a recent speech for Foundation House, which supports survivors of torture, now in Australia.

''I believe it's a core characteristic of Australians and Victorians to have welcoming open arms,'' he said.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/give-boat-people-a-go-baillieu-20120114-1q0no....

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Reply #1 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 3:57pm

As both an Australian and a Victorian, I am a supporter of making migrants feel welcome.

I am the child of migrants to Australia. My parents were shining examples of how to behave once in Australia and contributed extensively to the Australian way of life. Boat people would do well to follow their example.

BUT, they came to Australia the right way. They applied, they got jobs, they paid into the country.

My issue with the queue jumpers who turn up on boats are that they bring nothing with them, we have to pay for them from day 1 and they have plenty of countries where they can seek safe haven before Australia.

In short they pick Australia because it can offer them a better life than the other safe countries they reach first.
That's fine but there is a queue for economic migration.....

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Reply #2 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 4:00pm

Making these comments just highlights what dickheads politicians like Baillieu really are, and how stupid they must think the Australian voters really are.

Did Baillieu’s grandfather and “Simpson” engaged in criminal activity by hiring people smugglers to bring then to Australia - paid $10,000 per boat ticket - travelled though 7 other countries that could offer them help and assistance?

Maybe Mr Baillieu you should keep you big shut until such time as you intellectually know how to compare the correct and truthful differences between your grandfather/Simpson’s situation as refugees and these boat that are currently arriving here.

Stop being a suck-hole Mr Bailliue, no one believes your bullshyte statements, especially when they are riddled with incorrect information.

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Reply #3 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 4:03pm

culldav wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 4:00pm:

Making these comments just highlights what dickheads politicians like Baillieu really are, and how stupid they must think the Australian voters really are.

Did Baillieu’s grandfather and “Simpson” engaged in criminal activity by hiring people smugglers to bring then to Australia - paid $10,000 per boat ticket - travelled though 7 other countries that could offer them help and assistance?

Maybe Mr Baillieu you should keep you big shut until such time as you intellectually know how to compare the correct and truthful differences between your grandfather/Simpson’s situation as refugees and these boat that are currently arriving here.

Stop being a suck-hole Mr Bailliue, no one believes your bullshyte statements, especially when they are riddled with incorrect information.

WHAT THU bugger YOU ON ABOUT Angry

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Reply #4 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 4:10pm

culldav wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 4:00pm:

Making these comments just highlights what dickheads politicians like Baillieu really are, and how stupid they must think the Australian voters really are.

Did Baillieu’s grandfather and “Simpson” engaged in criminal activity by hiring people smugglers to bring then to Australia - paid $10,000 per boat ticket - travelled though 7 other countries that could offer them help and assistance?

Maybe Mr Baillieu you should keep you big shut until such time as you intellectually know how to compare the correct and truthful differences between your grandfather/Simpson’s situation as refugees and these boat that are currently arriving here.

Stop being a suck-hole Mr Bailliue, no one believes your bullshyte statements, especially when they are riddled with incorrect information.

Geez you're an angry misinformed one, aren't you! And the saddest part is that you continue to choose to stay misinformed. Really sad.

And I don't think it would've been $10,000 back then, given the CPI rises and all that.

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14213 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Ted shows his DECENT side Reply #5 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 4:13pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 3:57pm: As both an Australian and a Victorian, I am a supporter of making migrants feel welcome ... ... provided they are WHITE - and don't rise above "their station", in the manner of former Melbourne Lord Mayor - John So
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barnaby joe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1992 euchareena	Re: Ted shows his DECENT side Reply #6 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 4:15pm andrei hicks and buzzandidj going at is like two individuals with downs syndrome slapping each other in the face
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59186 Here Gender:	Re: Ted shows his DECENT side Reply #7 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 4:41pm Ted shows his DECENT side I was going to joke and say that yes I would like to see him standing on his head too but alas I see he has really said something very sensible and profound. My opinion of him has increased dramatically. Still like to see him stand on his head though
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Reply #8 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 5:10pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 4:41pm:

Ted shows his DECENT side

My opinion of him has increased dramatically.

POSSIBLY, not a "bad bloke" - PERSONALLY
Absolutely HOPELESS manager and Premier, though

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 12^th, 2011 at 10:43am:

Without doubt - it should go to 'extremism'.

It has no political merit whatsoever.

It is one individual who began criticising the Government the day after the election.

And my PREDICTION was "SPOT ON"

A Government CAN'T cut tax receipts - increase spending - and end up with ANYTHING other than MORE DEBT

ANY
half-wit of an accountant
knows THAT

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Debt to soar under Baillieu government

May 03, 2011

THE Baillieu Coalition Government will send Victoria further into debt

and make $2.2 billion worth of cuts in its first Budget.

The state is forecast to have
a net debt of $16.8 billion in 2011-12
, which five per cent of gross state product (GSP), compared with with the 4.1 per cent forecast last November.
Net debt will grow to 5.9 per cent of GSP between 2012-13 and 2014-15
.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/debt-to-soar-under-baillieu-government/stor...

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2012 at 10:29pm:

They can't budget for a HEALTH and HOSPITAL system - yet they can find $400 MILLION DOLLARS to buy votes in the private school industry

They can't budget for a HEALTH and HOSPITAL system - yet they can let 3.6 BILLION DOLLARS in the renewable energy sector ( ... WIND) slip through their fingers to the benefit of South Australia

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Ted shows his DECENT side Reply #9 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 5:12pm Good for you Ted - now you just need to stand up for disabled obese workers and stop all of your Nazi mates from scapegoating and economically robbing us.
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Reply #10 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:11pm

"Well John Brumby owes Victorians an explanation, particularly Melbourne water rate payers. What he has done is to sign these people up to a debt of about $15 billion over a period of the next almost 30 years. It amounts to a payment of approximately $570 million each year irrelevant of whether we take water from the desalination plant.

Every business and family have been loaded up now with a debt of about $9,500 and he owes people an explanation."

Did someone say debt?

Before he was booted out by the people of Victoria, John Brumby signed us all up to debt for the next 30 years.

(Not that Buzz would care seeing as he doesn't contribute to Victoria or Australia in taxes).

Brumby signed Victorians up to debt for 30 years on a de-salination plant that now sits idle.

Labor, party of the lower class, are never, ever good economic managers. I speak here as a working class kid as well.

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Reply #11 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:14pm

Waste and debt??
Brumby and the grease monkey wrote the book on it.....

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The Brumby government’s surprise defeat in Victoria has been blamed on several factors. One element is the allegation of widespread waste – the most well known example would probably be the $5.7 billion desalination plant.

On the reasoning I explain below the plant is probably costing up to $1 billion more to construct than it should. That’s a lot of waste and it’s caused by endemic bad industrial relations deals. A history of the Bracks/Brumby ALP governments demonstrates the problem.

The $5.7 billion desal construction contract was awarded to Thiess, a Leighton Holdings construction subsidiary, which signed a deal through the Victorian Trades Hall Council with the CFMEU, ETU and AMWU. Other tenderers decided to exclude these unions from their proposals – they lost.

Without knowing details it’s a reasonable to presume that the desalination plant has in-built, contracted, construction cost blows outs of the order seen on the Commonwealth Games construction (at least 20 per cent of $5.7 billion). The Victorian taxpayer is picking up this bill.

But there’s more. Thiess seems to have problems keeping the job on time and within the fixed contracted price. This year Thiess on-site managers employed ‘spies’ to monitor the work of the union workforces. Such action is a sure sign of management panic when unions are not delivering on agreed workforce performance indicators. We’ve seen this numerous times before. There must be lots of worried executives at Thiess.

For the Victorian Labor Party, and equally the Gillard government, they are caught in a bind. To achieve and hold government they must demonstrate capacity for efficient governance. Yet on key construction jobs the construction unions use their political grunt to dictate terms. They probably now have more power within Labor than they’ve had for thirty years. With the NBN based in Melbourne, watch the cost blowouts at Australia's largest ever infrastructure project due to this dynamic.

For the incoming Victorian Baillieu government the challenge is large. Because of the Coalition’s win the unions are likely to cause more trouble at the desal plant.
State Coalition governments have a history of talking tough but doing behind the scenes union deals on major projects. For Ted Baillieu this means that on future projects he’ll wear blame for waste if he doesn’t find a way to deny the radical construction unions control of state projects.

Ken Phillips is executive director of Independent Contractors Australia and author of Independence and the Death of Employment.

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Brumby-Baillieu-Bracks-Labor-unions-pd20101202-BR44M?OpenDocument

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Reply #12 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:20pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:11pm:

"Well John Brumby owes Victorians an explanation, particularly Melbourne water rate payers. What he has done is to sign these people up to a debt of about $15 billion over a period of the next almost 30 years. It amounts to a payment of approximately $570 million each year irrelevant of whether we take water from the desalination plant.

Every business and family have been loaded up now with a debt of about $9,500 and he owes people an explanation."

Did someone say debt?

Before he was booted out by the people of Victoria, John Brumby signed us all up to debt for the next 30 years.

(Not that Buzz would care seeing as he doesn't contribute to Victoria or Australia in taxes).

Brumby signed Victorians up to debt for 30 years on a de-salination plant that now sits idle.

Labor, party of the lower class, are never, ever good economic managers. I speak here as a working class kid as well.

What is a "working class kid?" Do you scrub chimneys?

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Ted shows his DECENT side Reply #13 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:22pm I didn't think you had many chimneys in Australia. The country is only about 5 minutes old.
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Reply #14 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:33pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:20pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:11pm:

"Well John Brumby owes Victorians an explanation, particularly Melbourne water rate payers. What he has done is to sign these people up to a debt of about $15 billion over a period of the next almost 30 years. It amounts to a payment of approximately $570 million each year irrelevant of whether we take water from the desalination plant.

Every business and family have been loaded up now with a debt of about $9,500 and he owes people an explanation."

Did someone say debt?

Before he was booted out by the people of Victoria, John Brumby signed us all up to debt for the next 30 years.

(Not that Buzz would care seeing as he doesn't contribute to Victoria or Australia in taxes).

Brumby signed Victorians up to debt for 30 years on a de-salination plant that now sits idle.

Labor, party of the lower class, are never, ever good economic managers. I speak here as a working class kid as well.

What is a "working class kid?" Do you scrub chimneys?

NO

He does cost/benefit analysis on them

INCIDENTLY, the cost of the desal plant is LOCKED in at 5.2 billion

( ...when a road project is costed - it does NOT include 30 years of maintenance)

5.2 billion is the price of drought proofing Victoria for the next three decades
ANY Australian knows that we WILL have several, SEVERE DROUGHTS over this period - each worse than the LAST

As well as raiding the coffers of the SELF FUNDED WorkSafe and VicRoads ( ... to near the vicinity of one billion dollars) - Ted has also found a new use for the Sugarloaf pipeline to cover his reckless pork-barrelling

Pipeline decision breaks promise to return water to environment

Tuesday, 15 November 2011

Today the state’s leading environment group, Environment Victoria, condemned the Baillieu Government for its decision to make water from the north-south pipeline available for sale, most likely to irrigators, not returned to the environment as promised in the Coalition’s Water Policy ahead of the election.

Before the 2010 Victorian election, the Liberal National Coalition's Water policy promised to “wind-back use of the north-south pipeline, returning environmental water the Labor Government intends to pump to Melbourne to stressed river systems”

Today Environment Victoria CEO Kelly O’Shanassy said:

“Before the election, the Coalition promised to re-allocate the north-south pipeline water to provide environmental flows to stressed rivers like the Goulburn and Campaspe and to contribute to national efforts to return water to the Murray River. Now after winning government, the Baillieu Government has broken that promise”.
“This is a huge amount of reliable water that could drastically improve the health of rivers like the Goulburn and Murray and our Red Gum wetlands, and provide regional benefits to businesses and communities that rely on healthy rivers.

“This decision follows efforts by the Baillieu Government to delay and dilute the national plan to return the rivers of the Murray-Darling Basin to health. Sadly, the Baillieu Government appears more committed to corporate irrigators than it does to returning water to the rivers upon which those irrigators depend.

“The Coalition made very few good environmental promises prior to the election and it’s extremely disappointing that they are now breaking one of the few positive commitments they did make.

“There’s no doubt that this has been a terrible first year in office for the Baillieu Government in terms of environment protection. They’ve gone backwards on climate policy and clean energy, nature protection, green jobs and now river health. The sooner the Baillieu Government understands that a healthy environment underpins healthy communities and sustainable, clean economies, the better off all Victorians will be.

http://www.environmentvictoria.org.au/media/pipeline-decision-breaks-promise-ret...

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