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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Italian cruise ship sinking Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:31pm It is just me but is anyone else disturbed that men were on the life boats while women were being pushed away because there was no room left during the recent sinking of the Italian cruise ship? Maybe Im a little old fashioned but it seems like a case of extreme cowardice by many of the men on that ship.
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Reply #1 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:33pm

adelcrow wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:31pm:

It is just me but is anyone else disturbed that men were on the life boats while women were being pushed away because there was no room left during the recent sinking of the Italian cruise ship?
Maybe Im a little old fashioned but it seems like a case of extreme cowardice by many of the men on that ship.

Say no more.

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wildkactus Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 93 Gold Coast Gender:	Re: Italian cruise ship sinking Reply #2 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:38pm I've always held woman and children first. but it sounds like the whole situation on board was rather badly handled.
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Reply #3 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:45pm

wildkactus wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:38pm:

I've always held woman and children first.

but it sounds like the whole situation on board was rather badly handled.

Im surprised the media hasnt picked up on it..no one seems to be batting an eye lid when a lady says
" My husband and I were lucky enough to get on a lifeboat while others were being pushed away"
and women are saying
"There was no room left on the lifeboats so my husband and I had to swim for it"

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Reply #4 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:52pm

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children and women were given priority when it came to allocating places on lifeboats, but the system proved to be difficult to implement because many men "weren't accepting this" because they wanted to remain together as a family, prompting "huge confusion".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16561382

Priority should have gone to children, the elderly (there were many, apparently) and those unable to swim.

An ugly example of how people treat each other when in a panic.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Italian cruise ship sinking Reply #5 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:55pm Im dumbfounded by the whole thing.
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Reply #6 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 7:11pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:33pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:31pm:

It is just me but is anyone else disturbed that men were on the life boats while women were being pushed away because there was no room left during the recent sinking of the Italian cruise ship?
Maybe Im a little old fashioned but it seems like a case of extreme cowardice by many of the men on that ship.

Say no more.

LOL. I knew someone would say that, but from the (limited) pictures Ive seen, it looked like most of the passengers were asian.

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Reply #7 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 7:18pm

... wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 7:11pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:33pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:31pm:

It is just me but is anyone else disturbed that men were on the life boats while women were being pushed away because there was no room left during the recent sinking of the Italian cruise ship?
Maybe Im a little old fashioned but it seems like a case of extreme cowardice by many of the men on that ship.

Say no more.

LOL. I knew someone would say that, but from the (limited) pictures Ive seen, it looked like most of the passengers were asian.

The interviews I am quoting from were with Europeans and yanks

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Reply #8 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 7:20pm

adelcrow wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 7:18pm:

... wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 7:11pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:33pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:31pm:

It is just me but is anyone else disturbed that men were on the life boats while women were being pushed away because there was no room left during the recent sinking of the Italian cruise ship?
Maybe Im a little old fashioned but it seems like a case of extreme cowardice by many of the men on that ship.

Say no more.

LOL. I knew someone would say that, but from the (limited) pictures Ive seen, it looked like most of the passengers were asian.

The interviews I am quoting from were with Europeans and yanks

Correction: most of the passengers were either asian, european or american. There have been reports of small numbers of australians and antarticans too.

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Re: Italian cruise ship sinking
Reply #9 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 7:33pm

... wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 7:20pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 7:18pm:

... wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 7:11pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:33pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 6:31pm:

It is just me but is anyone else disturbed that men were on the life boats while women were being pushed away because there was no room left during the recent sinking of the Italian cruise ship?
Maybe Im a little old fashioned but it seems like a case of extreme cowardice by many of the men on that ship.

Say no more.

LOL. I knew someone would say that, but from the (limited) pictures Ive seen, it looked like most of the passengers were asian.

The interviews I am quoting from were with Europeans and yanks

Correction: most of the passengers were either asian, european or american. There have been reports of small numbers of australians and antarticans too.

Im going on the interviews I have seen..I am assuming like all cruise ships the passengers were from all over the world.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Italian cruise ship sinking Reply #10 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 6:02am it doesnt sound as if FIREDRILL was a priority either..its almost April12th.uncanny when you think about it happening in the year 2012.
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Reply #11 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 8:06am

It sounds like incompetence. The weather conditions were good. There have been ships wrecked in that location since antiquity. There was an Etruscan ship lost in that very spot (off Giglio) around 600BCE.

Apart from the fact that the evacuation was organised by the passengers, it sounds like the captain was not the last to leave the ship.

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Reply #12 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 8:12am

They had minutes from the time they hit rocks to when the boat started listing badly. Sounds doubtful they had much time to organise anything. In those circumstances it wouldn't have taken long before the life boats became impossible to launch. Though why anyone would bother with lifeboats is beyond me - from the photos today it looks like they could just about walk to shore.

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Reply #13 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 8:15am

muso wrote on Jan 16^th, 2012 at 8:06am:

It sounds like incompetence. The weather conditions were good. There have been ships wrecked in that location since antiquity. There was an Etruscan ship lost in that very spot (off Giglio) around 600BCE.

Apart from the fact that the evacuation was organised by the passengers, it sounds like the captain was not the last to leave the ship.

It does that. Mind you, if the hazard was well known to locals, why was there not a feckin' great marker on top of it? It's a busy shipping area so a lit cardinal mark wouldn't be too much to expect.

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Reply #14 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 8:24am

Gist wrote on Jan 16^th, 2012 at 8:12am:

They had minutes from the time they hit rocks to when the boat started listing badly. Sounds doubtful they had much time to organise anything. In those circumstances it wouldn't have taken long before the life boats became impossible to launch. Though why anyone would bother with lifeboats is beyond me - from the photos today it looks like they could just about walk to shore.

I read somewhere it was 400 metres. Anyone who was able to swim the distance but took a place in the lifeboats should feel very ashamed.

Does anyone know how the people died? Was it something to do with the impact or did they drown?

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