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Jan 16th, 2012 at 8:47am
 
Independent MP Andrew Wilkie insists his poker machine reforms remain on track after a meeting with Prime Minister Julia Gillard on Sunday.

Mr Wilkie is fighting off speculation from his anti-pokies ally Senator Nick Xenophon that his plan will fail because key independents will not support it.

He issued a brief written statement on Sunday night saying his two-hour meeting with Ms Gillard in Hobart was productive, but did not reveal the details of their talks.

Mr Wilkie, whose support of the Labor minority government hinges on the gambling reforms, says he expects to be able to give a detailed update later in the week.

Senator Xenophon cast doubt over the Government's commitment to the reforms, saying the change in speaker had given it more members on the floor of parliament, decreasing Labor's reliance on Mr Wilkie's support.

"The deal was all about marginalising Andrew Wilkie," he said.

He said Mr Wilkie needed to press Ms Gillard on whether the Government is serious on the issue.

"Andrew Wilkie has behaved honourably and in good faith on poker machine reform from day one. The problem is the Government hasn't. It's playing a double game," he said.

Earlier on Sunday Mr Wilkie played down Senator Xenophon's comments, saying he had enough support to put in place mandatory pre-commitment technology for poker machines.

"I am confident the numbers are there. It got a whole lot easier for the Government when Peter Slipper moved into the speaker's position," he said.

"The numbers are there so I'm confident that these reforms will be realised."

A spokesman for Ms Gillard says the Government is committed to gambling reform.

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Reply #1 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 8:51am
 
A spokesman for Ms Gillard says the Government is committed to gambling reform.




funny how Wilkie is expected to BELIEVE that isnt it?????.. shes not well known for telling the truth is she?
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Reply #2 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 8:55am
 
cods wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 8:51am:
A spokesman for Ms Gillard says the Government is committed to gambling reform.




funny how Wilkie is expected to BELIEVE that isnt it?????.. shes not well known for telling the truth is she?

Grin Grin Grin Grin AINT THAT THE TRUTH    Grin Grin
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Reply #3 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 9:23am
 
I cant belive Wilkie still thinks his pokie reforms will go through!!! How deluded is this knucklehead??? Labor HATES the legislation and some MPs have even considered crossing the floor to kill it. now they dont need his vote, the legislation will never pass the lower house at all.

Honestly, why would ANYONE trust Gillard's word?? If there is one undeniable fact that even her collegaues agree with it is that her 'word' is worthless if there is any advantage to her in breaking it.
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Reply #4 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 9:27am
 
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Senator Xenophon cast doubt over the Government's commitment to the reforms, saying the change in speaker had given it more members on the floor of parliament, decreasing Labor's reliance on Mr Wilkie's support.


It also would allow them to support Wilkie and to go around one of the other independants not supporting the legislation?
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Reply #5 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 9:30am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 9:23am:
Honestly, why would ANYONE trust Gillard's word?? If there is one undeniable fact that even her collegaues agree with it is that her 'word' is worthless if there is any advantage to her in breaking it.


She's a lawyer and a former ambulance chaser at that.

I remember the marketing fella at work once asking me if I wondered why every organization always stuck Legal and Accounting together in buildings.

"Its because if there was a nuclear meltdown mate, the only survivors would be cockroaches, lawyers and accountants"

She's a lawyer, they lie for a living.
At least in accounting we hide behind numbers.

I wouldn't trust Ms Gillard as far as I could throw her and she's not a light chick so that wouldnt be very far.

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Reply #6 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 9:36am
 
lets face it she hasnt anything to lose by not going ahead with it... her credibility is already shredded.. she couldnt careless very arrogant.

has never apologised for her lie before the election and neither has swan..she couldnt careless what we think of her.
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Reply #7 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 9:44am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 9:27am:
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Senator Xenophon cast doubt over the Government's commitment to the reforms, saying the change in speaker had given it more members on the floor of parliament, decreasing Labor's reliance on Mr Wilkie's support.


It also would allow them to support Wilkie and to go around one of the other independants not supporting the legislation?


do you really believe that?
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Reply #8 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 10:31am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 9:44am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 9:27am:
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Senator Xenophon cast doubt over the Government's commitment to the reforms, saying the change in speaker had given it more members on the floor of parliament, decreasing Labor's reliance on Mr Wilkie's support.


It also would allow them to support Wilkie and to go around one of the other independants not supporting the legislation?


do you really believe that?


I have no idea what the numbers will be - so why not put all the cards on the table - the article was only looking at the point from one perspective even though the alternative I pointed out is probably more likely.

The government will try their best to get this through and any politician with a conscience will support it.
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Reply #9 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 10:34am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 9:44am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 9:27am:
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Senator Xenophon cast doubt over the Government's commitment to the reforms, saying the change in speaker had given it more members on the floor of parliament, decreasing Labor's reliance on Mr Wilkie's support.


It also would allow them to support Wilkie and to go around one of the other independants not supporting the legislation?


do you really believe that?



When you come up with dribble like this do you believe it?

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Honestly, why would ANYONE trust Gillard's word?? If there is one undeniable fact that even her collegaues agree with it is that her 'word' is worthless
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Reply #10 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 10:46am
 
Independent MP Andrew Wilkie is heading to Adelaide this morning to meet his ally Senator Nick Xenophon amid speculation that his proposed poker machine reforms are doomed to failure.

Mr Wilkie insists the reforms remain on track after a behind-closed-doors meeting with Prime Minister Julia Gillard in Tasmania yesterday.

But Senator Xenophon has suggested the reforms may fail because the Government no longer needs Mr Wilkie's vote on the floor of the House of Representatives following the installation of renegade Liberal Peter Slipper as speaker.

"He wants to see me, sit down with me face-to-face to nut out what's occurred," Senator Xenophon told ABC Local Radio this morning.

"I have a pretty cynical view given what I've heard. I mean, I heard stories about Peter Slipper becoming speaker a few weeks before he actually became speaker. Clearly his [Mr Wilkie's] negotiating position has been weakened as a result of that occurring."

Mr Wilkie's support for the Labor minority government has hinged on plans for reforms which would force clubs to bring in pre-commitment technology and ask gamblers to specify how much they are willing to lose on the pokies.

The Government had promised to pass the changes into law this year but its commitment to the mandatory pre-commitment scheme has been clouded since Mr Slipper's defection effectively gave Labor an extra vote in the House.

After meeting with Ms Gillard yesterday Mr Wilkie released a brief statement saying the talks were productive and there was a spirit of goodwill.

"As discussions are ongoing I don't intend to offer a running commentary and expect to be able to provide a detailed public update later in the week," the statement goes on to say.

Senator Xenophon and the Greens are urging Mr Wilkie to change direction and instead support $1 maximum bets instead.

Independent MPs Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor have both criticised the idea of mandatory pre-commitment and are unlikely to support it.

Mr Windsor will only say he will look at the idea of $1 bets but wants to make sure it would not be too expensive for clubs to implement.

"I think the $1 bet suggestion is a lot easier to understand for people. I think people have difficulty understanding what mandatory pre-commitment actually meant in the first place," Mr Windsor told AM.

"Obviously putting a limit on the bet is more understandable. The costing arrangements would obviously have to be looked at - what would it cost to actually convert the machines? What impacts would that have? I think there'd be a lot more work to be done on any reform, particularly that involved great cost."

Clubs Australia says the industry is deeply opposed to $1 bets as well as mandatory commitment.

Topics: government-and-politics, federal-government, gambling, tas, sa, australia

First posted January 16, 2012 10:28:14

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Reply #11 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 10:56am
 
The politicians all hate the pokie legislation - the taxes make too much money from it, they lose one of the best money spinners.

This is going through only because Wilkie has them over a barrel.

From Labors position strategically they are aware that Wilkie will likely walk away from their deal if it's terms are broken by them.

With the member from Dobell still under a cloud they in fact still need Mr Wilkie's vote to be sure of staying in government.

It's very unlikely that they will deliberatly breach this agreement - makes no sence to suggest that they will.
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Reply #12 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 12:34pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 9:23am:
I cant belive Wilkie still thinks his pokie reforms will go through!!! How deluded is this knucklehead??? Labor HATES the legislation and some MPs have even considered crossing the floor to kill it. now they dont need his vote, the legislation will never pass the lower house at all.

Honestly, why would ANYONE trust Gillard's word?? If there is one undeniable fact that even her collegaues agree with it is that her 'word' is worthless if there is any advantage to her in breaking it.


Well, if you are right, do you think that Wilkie will keep HIS word, and pull support? You have a point about Labor being against it, despite the fact the Gillard and Macklin have stated absolute support on the matter. That's no contradiction, it's just typical lying from the ALP, probably their best asset.

The government, however, is still on a knife edge. Sure, they have an extra buffer because of the turncoat Slipper, but if Thomson is charged, then they're back to the slimmest of margins.

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Reply #13 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 1:57pm
 
What I find most amusing is the Wilkie thinks that Gillard will stick by her words. Where has he been for the last 2 years??  Shocked
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Reply #14 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 1:58pm
 
Greens want $1 max bets.

James Packers moddelling shows $1 max bets will hurt machine revenue more than pre-committment.

Wilkie will support $1 max bets.

Windor wont support mandatory pre-committment, but is open to $1 max bets.

Oakeshott has massive concerns about pre-committment.

ALP is the one who wont budge.

Hmmmm, do they want it to fail?
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