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Jan 16th, 2012 at 10:35am
 

A deep moral blindness is apparent, in Western societies today.





Yadda wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 1:17am:
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 14th, 2012 at 10:25pm:

Western society culturally and morally superior? LOL

You are a joke soren.

Western society is veering into moral decay and has been for a few decades now.....





Abu,

Whereas, devout moslem people, are clearly the best of people alive today.  [Koran 3.110]

"Allah Akbar!!!"
, .....you morally superior moslem warrior for Allah.
/sarc off



ISLAM / moslems are superior, folks.

No doubt about it.
/sarc off

PROOF.....

"Child suicide bombers: "They told us the bombs would not kill us, only the Americans would die and you can come back to us" "

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/01/child-suicide-bombers-they-told-us-the-bombs-w...
"....The mission was as simple as touching two wires together, the little boy was promised. The resulting blast would obliterate the American infidels – but God would spare him from the flame and shrapnel. Abdul Samat would be unharmed and free to run back to the men who had fitted his bomb vest."










A deep moral blindness is apparent, in Western societies today.


Even though we can provide evidence of the evil conduct and behaviour of people who [themselves] claim to represent ISLAM's ideals,....
abu_rashid and other moslems who post in this forum still do not understand [they are unable to 'reason out'] why we non-moslems reject their assertions that ISLAM is a superior philosophy, and why we reject their incessant assertions [the assertions of devout moslems!] that devout moslems are a superior and moral people.

Moslems cannot see it.

Moslems are unable to 'reason out', that ISLAM is an evil death cult.

Why so?

Q.
Why do moslems lose their ability to embrace truth, and lose their ability to engage in rational reasoned debate [with those who do not believe as they believe] ?



I have said this previously;

ISLAM, imo, creates a mental pathology, in those persons who choose to embrace it.


i.e.
ISLAM creates a mental instability [a state of insanity] in those people who choose to embrace it.

ISLAM creates a mental instability [a state of insanity] in those people who choose to embrace its doctrines of hatred.

A hatred directed towards ALL people, and ALL ideas, and ALL concepts, which are deemed to be non-ISLAMIC.



And Western countries, and overwhelmingly the intellectuals in the West, and politicians in the Western countries, see no problem in allowing those persons who embrace the 'ISLAMIC worldview' [who embrace a culture of violence, and ISLAMIC supremacism], moslems, to live and walk among us.

Our intellectuals and politicians, imo, are mad, and morally blind.





In the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, our Western intellectuals and Western politicians still claim that they are certain that ISLAM is a benign and peaceful and socially healthy philosophy.

IMO, the people who are making such claims are either mad, or morally blind [i.e. morally bankrupt].


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Reply #1 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 10:40am
 
I doubt that this type of blindness is dependant on racial physical or religious boundaries.
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Reply #2 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 1:11pm
 
Yadda, your thread titles are becoming increasingly epochal. Either you've been reading CS Lewis's schoolboy preface to Paradise Lost, or 1980s editions of the Watchtower.

They had the Soviets, you see, before the Muslims.

When will it ever end?
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Reply #3 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 3:15pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 1:11pm:
Yadda, your thread titles are becoming increasingly epochal. Either you've been reading CS Lewis's schoolboy preface to Paradise Lost, or 1980s editions of the Watchtower.

They had the Soviets, you see, before the Muslims.

When will it ever end?



Conflict will never end.
Heraclitus had it figured out over 2,000 years ago.
"War is the father of all things."

We need enemies to understand ourselves. Everything is relational, nothing exists in-itself. All idealism that projects a final state is lies. Even idealism needs its enemies in order to exist. How can idealism exist without a contra to be fought?

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Reply #4 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 3:19pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 10:35am:

A deep moral blindness is apparent, in Western societies today.





Yadda wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 1:17am:
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 14th, 2012 at 10:25pm:

Western society culturally and morally superior? LOL

You are a joke soren.

Western society is veering into moral decay and has been for a few decades now.....





Abu,

Whereas, devout moslem people, are clearly the best of people alive today.  [Koran 3.110]

"Allah Akbar!!!"
, .....you morally superior moslem warrior for Allah.
/sarc off



ISLAM / moslems are superior, folks.

No doubt about it.
/sarc off

PROOF.....

"Child suicide bombers: "They told us the bombs would not kill us, only the Americans would die and you can come back to us" "

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/01/child-suicide-bombers-they-told-us-the-bombs-w...
"....The mission was as simple as touching two wires together, the little boy was promised. The resulting blast would obliterate the American infidels – but God would spare him from the flame and shrapnel. Abdul Samat would be unharmed and free to run back to the men who had fitted his bomb vest."










A deep moral blindness is apparent, in Western societies today.


Even though we can provide evidence of the evil conduct and behaviour of people who [themselves] claim to represent ISLAM's ideals,....
abu_rashid and other moslems who post in this forum still do not understand [they are unable to 'reason out'] why we non-moslems reject their assertions that ISLAM is a superior philosophy, and why we reject their incessant assertions [the assertions of devout moslems!] that devout moslems are a superior and moral people.

Moslems cannot see it.

Moslems are unable to 'reason out', that ISLAM is an evil death cult.

Why so?

Q.
Why do moslems lose their ability to embrace truth, and lose their ability to engage in rational reasoned debate [with those who do not believe as they believe] ?



I have said this previously;

ISLAM, imo, creates a mental pathology, in those persons who choose to embrace it.


i.e.
ISLAM creates a mental instability [a state of insanity] in those people who choose to embrace it.

ISLAM creates a mental instability [a state of insanity] in those people who choose to embrace its doctrines of hatred.

A hatred directed towards ALL people, and ALL ideas, and ALL concepts, which are deemed to be non-ISLAMIC.



And Western countries, and overwhelmingly the intellectuals in the West, and politicians in the Western countries, see no problem in allowing those persons who embrace the 'ISLAMIC worldview' [who embrace a culture of violence, and ISLAMIC supremacism], moslems, to live and walk among us.

Our intellectuals and politicians, imo, are mad, and morally blind.





In the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, our Western intellectuals and Western politicians still claim that they are certain that ISLAM is a benign and peaceful and socially healthy philosophy.

IMO, the people who are making such claims are either mad, or morally blind [i.e. morally bankrupt].




Well, Abu never actually says what it is we "degenerate" Westerns are supposed to do. All he does is post up supposed atrocities and then takes a moral high ground without even explaining what that high ground is.
He's his own worst enemy and he turns people off Islam not toward it.


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Reply #5 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 4:27pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 3:19pm:
Yadda wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 10:35am:

A deep moral blindness is apparent, in Western societies today.





Yadda wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 1:17am:
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 14th, 2012 at 10:25pm:

Western society culturally and morally superior? LOL

You are a joke soren.

Western society is veering into moral decay and has been for a few decades now.....





Abu,

Whereas, devout moslem people, are clearly the best of people alive today.  [Koran 3.110]

"Allah Akbar!!!"
, .....you morally superior moslem warrior for Allah.
/sarc off



ISLAM / moslems are superior, folks.

No doubt about it.
/sarc off

PROOF.....

"Child suicide bombers: "They told us the bombs would not kill us, only the Americans would die and you can come back to us" "

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/01/child-suicide-bombers-they-told-us-the-bombs-w...
"....The mission was as simple as touching two wires together, the little boy was promised. The resulting blast would obliterate the American infidels – but God would spare him from the flame and shrapnel. Abdul Samat would be unharmed and free to run back to the men who had fitted his bomb vest."










A deep moral blindness is apparent, in Western societies today.


Even though we can provide evidence of the evil conduct and behaviour of people who [themselves] claim to represent ISLAM's ideals,....
abu_rashid and other moslems who post in this forum still do not understand [they are unable to 'reason out'] why we non-moslems reject their assertions that ISLAM is a superior philosophy, and why we reject their incessant assertions [the assertions of devout moslems!] that devout moslems are a superior and moral people.

Moslems cannot see it.

Moslems are unable to 'reason out', that ISLAM is an evil death cult.

Why so?

Q.
Why do moslems lose their ability to embrace truth, and lose their ability to engage in rational reasoned debate [with those who do not believe as they believe] ?



I have said this previously;

ISLAM, imo, creates a mental pathology, in those persons who choose to embrace it.


i.e.
ISLAM creates a mental instability [a state of insanity] in those people who choose to embrace it.

ISLAM creates a mental instability [a state of insanity] in those people who choose to embrace its doctrines of hatred.

A hatred directed towards ALL people, and ALL ideas, and ALL concepts, which are deemed to be non-ISLAMIC.



And Western countries, and overwhelmingly the intellectuals in the West, and politicians in the Western countries, see no problem in allowing those persons who embrace the 'ISLAMIC worldview' [who embrace a culture of violence, and ISLAMIC supremacism], moslems, to live and walk among us.

Our intellectuals and politicians, imo, are mad, and morally blind.





In the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, our Western intellectuals and Western politicians still claim that they are certain that ISLAM is a benign and peaceful and socially healthy philosophy.

IMO, the people who are making such claims are either mad, or morally blind [i.e. morally bankrupt].




Well, Abu never actually says what it is we "degenerate" Westerns are supposed to do. All he does is post up supposed atrocities and then takes a moral high ground without even explaining what that high ground is.
He's his own worst enemy and he turns people off Islam not toward it.





Because he is a symptom of the illness itself.  A grown white man turning his back on his own, and choosing to become a Muslim.  It doesn't get much lower than that.  Luckily for him, the disease which afflicts the west harms our ability to fight off "infections" like him.
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Reply #6 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 10:19pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 3:15pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 1:11pm:
Yadda, your thread titles are becoming increasingly epochal. Either you've been reading CS Lewis's schoolboy preface to Paradise Lost, or 1980s editions of the Watchtower.

They had the Soviets, you see, before the Muslims.

When will it ever end?



Conflict will never end.
Heraclitus had it figured out over 2,000 years ago.
"War is the father of all things."


We need enemies to understand ourselves.



Everything is relational, nothing exists in-itself. All idealism that projects a final state is lies. Even idealism needs its enemies in order to exist. How can idealism exist without a contra to be fought?





Wow! I like it BD.

Yes, perhaps our enemies really do define who we are?

Because clearly, in choosing 'the enemy', we also define [reveal?] what we [choose to] oppose [and who our allies may be]?





When i was a child, i remember a popular saying going around was;

"A person who never made a mistake, never made anything."




Almost certainly throughout our life, in our choices, we will make many mistakes [i.e. take many a mis-taken path].

But when we recognise that we are on a mis-taken path, shouldn't we acknowledge our error, and try to remedy it?

I guess the answer to that, depends on whether our intended destination was at all important to us?



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Proverbs 3:6
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.


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Reply #7 - Jan 16th, 2012 at 11:05pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 10:40am:
I doubt that this type of blindness is dependant on racial physical or religious boundaries.


I'm sure that is true.

The 'human condition' affects us all.

We all seem to be corrupted by this world.

And irrespective of our racial, or religious boundaries, some of us make many more poor choices, than others, i would offer.

Why so?

We are corrupted by all of our daily interactions with this world, and the deeper we 'engage' in our interactions with this world, the deeper into the 'mire' we certain to get, i would offer.

James 4:1
From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
.....
4  Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

A bit harsh?       Grin       Grin       Grin






For me, i think Jesus verbalised the best solution to our collective problem;

Matthew 7:12
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.


But this is an idea which is easy to sabotage, by just a few 'barbarians'.

So, Jesus solution is no real solution?



There are a lot of predators ['barbarians'] in this world.

How do we deal with them?


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... wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 4:27pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 3:19pm:
Yadda wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 10:35am:

A deep moral blindness is apparent, in Western societies today.





Yadda wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 1:17am:
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 14th, 2012 at 10:25pm:

Western society culturally and morally superior? LOL

You are a joke soren.

Western society is veering into moral decay and has been for a few decades now.....





Abu,

Whereas, devout moslem people, are clearly the best of people alive today.  [Koran 3.110]

"Allah Akbar!!!"
, .....you morally superior moslem warrior for Allah.
/sarc off



ISLAM / moslems are superior, folks.

No doubt about it.
/sarc off

PROOF.....

"Child suicide bombers: "They told us the bombs would not kill us, only the Americans would die and you can come back to us" "

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/01/child-suicide-bombers-they-told-us-the-bombs-w...
"....The mission was as simple as touching two wires together, the little boy was promised. The resulting blast would obliterate the American infidels – but God would spare him from the flame and shrapnel. Abdul Samat would be unharmed and free to run back to the men who had fitted his bomb vest."










A deep moral blindness is apparent, in Western societies today.


Even though we can provide evidence of the evil conduct and behaviour of people who [themselves] claim to represent ISLAM's ideals,....
abu_rashid and other moslems who post in this forum still do not understand [they are unable to 'reason out'] why we non-moslems reject their assertions that ISLAM is a superior philosophy, and why we reject their incessant assertions [the assertions of devout moslems!] that devout moslems are a superior and moral people.

Moslems cannot see it.

Moslems are unable to 'reason out', that ISLAM is an evil death cult.

Why so?

Q.
Why do moslems lose their ability to embrace truth, and lose their ability to engage in rational reasoned debate [with those who do not believe as they believe] ?



I have said this previously;

ISLAM, imo, creates a mental pathology, in those persons who choose to embrace it.


i.e.
ISLAM creates a mental instability [a state of insanity] in those people who choose to embrace it.

ISLAM creates a mental instability [a state of insanity] in those people who choose to embrace its doctrines of hatred.

A hatred directed towards ALL people, and ALL ideas, and ALL concepts, which are deemed to be non-ISLAMIC.



And Western countries, and overwhelmingly the intellectuals in the West, and politicians in the Western countries, see no problem in allowing those persons who embrace the 'ISLAMIC worldview' [who embrace a culture of violence, and ISLAMIC supremacism], moslems, to live and walk among us.

Our intellectuals and politicians, imo, are mad, and morally blind.





In the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, our Western intellectuals and Western politicians still claim that they are certain that ISLAM is a benign and peaceful and socially healthy philosophy.

IMO, the people who are making such claims are either mad, or morally blind [i.e. morally bankrupt].




Well, Abu never actually says what it is we "degenerate" Westerns are supposed to do. All he does is post up supposed atrocities and then takes a moral high ground without even explaining what that high ground is.
He's his own worst enemy and he turns people off Islam not toward it.





Because he is a symptom of the illness itself.  A grown white man turning his back on his own, and choosing to become a Muslim.  It doesn't get much lower than that.  Luckily for him, the disease which afflicts the west harms our ability to fight off "infections" like him.


I believe this is a serious area of research that needs to be undertaken. There is Ph.D after Ph.D waiting to be written on this.
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Yadda wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 10:19pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 3:15pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 1:11pm:
Yadda, your thread titles are becoming increasingly epochal. Either you've been reading CS Lewis's schoolboy preface to Paradise Lost, or 1980s editions of the Watchtower.

They had the Soviets, you see, before the Muslims.

When will it ever end?



Conflict will never end.
Heraclitus had it figured out over 2,000 years ago.
"War is the father of all things."


We need enemies to understand ourselves.



Everything is relational, nothing exists in-itself. All idealism that projects a final state is lies. Even idealism needs its enemies in order to exist. How can idealism exist without a contra to be fought?





Wow! I like it BD.

Yes, perhaps our enemies really do define who we are?

Because clearly, in choosing 'the enemy', we also define [reveal?] what we [choose to] oppose [and who our allies may be]?





When i was a child, i remember a popular saying going around was;

"A person who never made a mistake, never made anything."




Almost certainly throughout our life, in our choices, we will make many mistakes [i.e. take many a mis-taken path].

But when we recognise that we are on a mis-taken path, shouldn't we acknowledge our error, and try to remedy it?

I guess the answer to that, depends on whether our intended destination was at all important to us?



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Proverbs 3:6
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.




You can thank Plato for teaching us that everything is relational.

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Reply #10 - Jan 18th, 2012 at 7:17am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 17th, 2012 at 9:54am:

You can thank Plato for teaching us that everything is relational.




Thank you Plato.



Yadda the uneducated, the unread.
....and yet somehow the 'universe' still comes through.          Wink
....why? because i am mad? or because i'm 'attentive'?


Universe.

Uni = one
verse = a spoken sentence
Gen 1:3




Bolshevik Destroyer said.....

"You can thank Plato for teaching us that everything is relational."



Dictionary;
relation = =
1 the way in which two or more people or things are connected or related. ....(relations) the way in which two or more people or groups feel about and behave towards each other.
2 a relative.
3 the action of telling a story.






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Psalms 27:10
When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.

For Yadda, a very 'relational' bible verse.


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Reply #11 - Jan 18th, 2012 at 10:03am
 
Yadda wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 10:35am:

A deep moral blindness is apparent, in Western societies today.





Q.
The people of the West, ourselves, especially young people,
....where are our 'heads at' today?

A.
Watch teh music video clip....

Hilltop Hoods, Nosebleed Section
....'the people in the front row'




Checkout the venue [crowds, fans] version of this music clip on YTube.

IMO, what is represented in that clip is a good analogy of where our [the 'West's'] 'collective' head are at.

Don't get me wrong, i think that its a great clip.

I know that if i was there, i would get sucked in too.

Its a great song!

Watching the clip, is addictive.

And the crowds,  ....it is easy to get caught up in the festive, joyous mood.

Yes?



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The people shown in the clip.

Who are they?

To me, they are a good representative of the 'mainstream', of what the 'culture' of the 'West' represents today.

Pleasure-seeking, self-indulgent, care-less.

i.e.
There is nothing wrong with being exclusively pleasure-seeking.

Right?



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I am not mainstream.

I am not 'normal'.

IMO, the 'mainstream' [represented by the people present at the Hilltop Hoods gig], are the people who are 'normal'.



I, me, Yadda, i am a part of humankind.

But i am perhaps, on the periphery of the what we know as humankind?

But i am not 'mainstream'.

And to me, that is a good thing.

From where i am 'standing', i [definitely] have a different perspective from the 'mainstream'.

Do ya think?

Watch that music clip again.     Wink




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Ecclesiastes 7:4
The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth.

No?




Resilient Yadda.



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One solution is to change the education system from one that focuses on the individual to one toward being absorbed in a philosophy that is future directed.

The postmodernists have done their best to destroy any future orientated goal because of supposed 'evil' power structures and the supposed relativism of all cultures.

Boot out all the deconstructionists from the 1960s onward from the Academe and replace them with a more classical education of John S. Mill, Locke, Burke, and Plato (as was previously the case before the postmodern nihilists took over). 
This would start to reverse the current academic culture that thinks its god-given purpose is to define everything Western as evil. Then, hopefully move toward one that teaches students to understand the issues that underpin why the West was king, and would positively promote Western ideas.

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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 18th, 2012 at 10:55am:
One solution is to change the education system from one that focuses on the individual to one toward being absorbed in a philosophy that is future directed.

The postmodernists have done their best to destroy any future orientated goal because of supposed 'evil' power structures and the supposed relativism of all cultures.


Boot out all the deconstructionists from the 1960s onward from the Academe and replace them with a more classical education of John S. Mill, Locke, Burke, and Plato (as was previously the case before the postmodern nihilists took over). 



This would start to reverse the current academic culture that thinks its god-given purpose is to define everything Western as evil. Then, hopefully move toward one that teaches students to understand the issues that underpin why the West was king, and would positively promote Western ideas.





Oooooow yes!       Grin




Then, hopefully move toward one that teaches students to understand the issues that underpin why the West was king, and would positively promote Western ideas ideals.






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John Locke 1632-1704
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1242692863/0#0




Locke - the Father of Liberalism or Contradiction?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1300752332/0#0


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Reply #14 - Jan 18th, 2012 at 3:01pm
 
It's unfortunate those threads didn't get many replies.

Locke's ideas ought to be compulsory reading, even at high school level if that is at all possible.
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