Australian Politics Forum - A deep moral blindness is apparent, in the West

Yadda

Gold Member

Online

Posts: 21846
A cat with a view

Re: A deep moral blindness is apparent, in the West
Reply #15 - Jan 18^th, 2012 at 3:15pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 3:01pm:

It's unfortunate those threads didn't get many replies.

Locke's ideas ought to be compulsory reading, even at high school level if that is at all possible.

John Locke, 1632-1704

From the little that i have read of him, he seems a good and sensible man.

A man who's personal philosophy and worldview seemed to be based in fair, and [dare i say it] Godly reason.

Back to top

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

IP Logged

Soren

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 25654
Gender: male

Re: A deep moral blindness is apparent, in the West
Reply #16 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 7:37pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 14^th, 2012 at 10:25pm:

Western society culturally and morally superior? LOL

You are a joke soren.

Western society is veering into moral decay and has been for a few decades now.....

The west is veering into moral decay only insofar as it regards the barbarians as benign. And Muslims who adhere to Islam are barbarians- ie enemies of everything the West, since Greek times, has stood for.
The Muslims were the most significant barbarian destroyers of the west's classical inheritance - more devastating than the Huns, Vikings, Goths, and all the rest because those either died out or assimilated to the western inheritance.

Of all those barbarians, the Muslims alone are still with us and they alone, therefore, are still pressing for the destruction of the West.

Back to top

IP Logged

muso

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 13151
Gladstone, Queensland
Gender: male

Re: A deep moral blindness is apparent, in the West
Reply #17 - Mar 25^th, 2012 at 8:34am

Quote:

But all that is morally right rises from some one of four sources: it is concerned either (1) with the full perception and intelligent development of the true; or (2) with the conservation of organized society, with rendering to every man his due, and with the faithful discharge of obligations assumed; or (3) with the greatness and strength of a noble and invincible spirit; or (4) with the orderliness and moderation of everything that is said and done, wherein consist temperance and self-control. Although these four are connected and interwoven, still it is in each one considered singly that certain definite kinds of moral duties have their origin: in that category, for instance, which was designated first in our division and in which we place wisdom and prudence, belong the search after truth and its discovery; and this is the peculiar province of that virtue. For the more clearly anyone observes the most essential truth in any given case and the more quickly and accurately he can see and explain the reasons for it, the more understanding and wise he is generally esteemed, and justly so. So, then, it is truth that is, as it were, the stuff with which this virtue has to deal and on which it employs itself.

(Marcus Tullius Cicero, from De Officiis)

There always have been and there always will be old men agonising about the morals of the young. Cicero comes across as a pompous ass, but despite that, he did have some good ideas on morality.

Back to top

1523 people like this. The remaining 7,134,765,234 do not

IP Logged

Soren

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 25654
Gender: male

Re: A deep moral blindness is apparent, in the West
Reply #18 - Mar 30^th, 2012 at 9:11pm

muso wrote on Mar 25^th, 2012 at 8:34am:

Quote:

But all that is morally right rises from some one of four sources: it is concerned either (1) with the full perception and intelligent development of the true; or (2) with the conservation of organized society, with rendering to every man his due, and with the faithful discharge of obligations assumed; or (3) with the greatness and strength of a noble and invincible spirit; or (4) with the orderliness and moderation of everything that is said and done, wherein consist temperance and self-control. Although these four are connected and interwoven, still it is in each one considered singly that certain definite kinds of moral duties have their origin: in that category, for instance, which was designated first in our division and in which we place wisdom and prudence, belong the search after truth and its discovery; and this is the peculiar province of that virtue. For the more clearly anyone observes the most essential truth in any given case and the more quickly and accurately he can see and explain the reasons for it, the more understanding and wise he is generally esteemed, and justly so. So, then, it is truth that is, as it were, the stuff with which this virtue has to deal and on which it employs itself.

(Marcus Tullius Cicero, from De Officiis)

There always have been and there always will be old men agonising about the morals of the young. Cicero comes across as a pompous ass, but despite that, he did have some good ideas on morality.

And, as every school boy knows, the Roman Empire fell. Due to the lack of moral fortitude. The lack of moral fortitude is the cause of every fall, of empires, governments, individuals.

So the warnings are not empty. But the fools will forever ignore them.

Back to top

IP Logged

nairbe

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 2587
Rural NSW
Gender: male

Re: A deep moral blindness is apparent, in the West
Reply #19 - Apr 21^st, 2012 at 4:45pm

Soren wrote on Mar 30^th, 2012 at 9:11pm:

muso wrote on Mar 25^th, 2012 at 8:34am:

Quote:

But all that is morally right rises from some one of four sources: it is concerned either (1) with the full perception and intelligent development of the true; or (2) with the conservation of organized society, with rendering to every man his due, and with the faithful discharge of obligations assumed; or (3) with the greatness and strength of a noble and invincible spirit; or (4) with the orderliness and moderation of everything that is said and done, wherein consist temperance and self-control. Although these four are connected and interwoven, still it is in each one considered singly that certain definite kinds of moral duties have their origin: in that category, for instance, which was designated first in our division and in which we place wisdom and prudence, belong the search after truth and its discovery; and this is the peculiar province of that virtue. For the more clearly anyone observes the most essential truth in any given case and the more quickly and accurately he can see and explain the reasons for it, the more understanding and wise he is generally esteemed, and justly so. So, then, it is truth that is, as it were, the stuff with which this virtue has to deal and on which it employs itself.

(Marcus Tullius Cicero, from De Officiis)

There always have been and there always will be old men agonising about the morals of the young. Cicero comes across as a pompous ass, but despite that, he did have some good ideas on morality.

And, as every school boy knows, the Roman Empire fell. Due to the lack of moral fortitude. The lack of moral fortitude is the cause of every fall, of empires, governments, individuals.

So the warnings are not empty. But the fools will forever ignore them.

Yes the fools certainly will. It is beyond amazing that Yadda will post such statements when the morale atrocities of the christian church over such a long period of human history spell out the very imoral behaviour you seem so outraged over. Western society is decaying in it's own filth. This is aided by the church who are the greatest of all when a blind eye is needed.

The wars in Iraq ans Afghanistan should have taught us that the lessons of the first TV war in Vietnam were not learned and that we still engage in wars of self interest and we behave appallingly in those wars. The GFC should have warned us that we did not learn from the great depression and the current explosion in gun crime on our streets should br evidence enough that our communities are failing.

We are so busy trying to take the splinter from the eye of others we don't notice the log in our own.

Back to top

"Faced with what is right, to leave it undone shows a lack of courage."
Confucius

IP Logged

Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: A deep moral blindness is apparent, in the West Reply #20 - Apr 21^st, 2012 at 5:02pm Lots of criticisms there nairbe but little by the way of solutions.
Back to top	IP Logged

Yadda

Gold Member

Online

Posts: 21846
A cat with a view

Re: A deep moral blindness is apparent, in the West
Reply #21 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 12:58am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 5:02pm:

Lots of criticisms there nairbe but little by the way of solutions.

Bolshevik Destroyer,

nairbe's criticism of the West is justified.

We [who should have known better] have corrupted ourselves, and we still have no care that that has happened.

What comes next is unavoidable.

the wicked, the oppressor....

Psalms 7:15
He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.

Back to top

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

IP Logged

nairbe

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 2587
Rural NSW
Gender: male

Re: A deep moral blindness is apparent, in the West
Reply #22 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 10:30am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 5:02pm:

Lots of criticisms there nairbe but little by the way of solutions.

Good point, try applying to yourself.

Mine is only a personal opinion and we all know what we say about opinions. To me the key is in community and by that i don't mean global, Australian, state, City I mean your community. Concentrate on your suburb and your street. Know your neighbour and support them as best you can. Communities need to create employment for there young as a civic responsibility and stop worrying about the ski boat and holiday home. We are driven by greed and selfishness that is hidden behind global community.

There are no magic solutions available to or by government. In Fact government are powerless to do anything about it. Any action they may take in the endless spiral downward in law and order as well as the deterioration of social interactions in our communities fail spectacularly with only further deterioration of the situation and the erosion of human rights as the outcomes.

It is the hardest of all situations to overcome but it can only be done within communities and by communities. Greed must be shunned, families must again be shamed when on the dole, those that don't put in and contribute have backs turned to them. Responsibility to the people around you and not hiding behind nationalism and globalisation. The Romans fell because the morale corruption could not be reclaimed because the people were to selfish to change and western society is rotting from the inside for the same reasons.

It is a change of thinking that must come. Every civilization goes through cycles in it's rise and fall. They build through strict and cruel morale law, as they peak they find an equilibrium of morale value and personal freedom then freedom takes over and selfishness and greed become the virons that rot the corpse.

Back to top

"Faced with what is right, to leave it undone shows a lack of courage."
Confucius

IP Logged

Postmodern Trendoid III

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 10266
Gender: male

Re: A deep moral blindness is apparent, in the West
Reply #23 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 4:06pm

nairbe wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 10:30am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 5:02pm:

Lots of criticisms there nairbe but little by the way of solutions.

Good point, try applying to yourself.

Mine is only a personal opinion and we all know what we say about opinions. To me the key is in community and by that i don't mean global, Australian, state, City I mean your community. Concentrate on your suburb and your street. Know your neighbour and support them as best you can. Communities need to create employment for there young as a civic responsibility and stop worrying about the ski boat and holiday home. We are driven by greed and selfishness that is hidden behind global community.

There are no magic solutions available to or by government. In Fact government are powerless to do anything about it. Any action they may take in the endless spiral downward in law and order as well as the deterioration of social interactions in our communities fail spectacularly with only further deterioration of the situation and the erosion of human rights as the outcomes.

It is the hardest of all situations to overcome but it can only be done within communities and by communities. Greed must be shunned, families must again be shamed when on the dole, those that don't put in and contribute have backs turned to them. Responsibility to the people around you and not hiding behind nationalism and globalisation. The Romans fell because the morale corruption could not be reclaimed because the people were to selfish to change and western society is rotting from the inside for the same reasons.

It is a change of thinking that must come. Every civilization goes through cycles in it's rise and fall. They build through strict and cruel morale law, as they peak they find an equilibrium of morale value and personal freedom then freedom takes over and selfishness and greed become the virons that rot the corpse.

Interesting ideas but some are fraught with problems. For a start, people are obsessed with foreign issues; more people care for boat people and Palestinians than their own neighbours. Plus, employing people based on close communities sounds like the inevitable problem of discrimination will arise. I can just see the trendy lefties yelling "he/she's discriminated against because he/she's from out of town; you're being an 'outoftownist'".

I disagree greed is the major problem anyway. It's got more to do with a relentless critique built on pessimism and a will to destroy Western institutions. Too many weaklings, pessimists, and not enough optimists and men with balls.

Back to top

IP Logged

Soren

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 25654
Gender: male

Re: A deep moral blindness is apparent, in the West
Reply #24 - Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 10:18pm

nairbe wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 10:30am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 5:02pm:

Lots of criticisms there nairbe but little by the way of solutions.

Good point, try applying to yourself.

Mine is only a personal opinion and we all know what we say about opinions. To me the key is in community and by that i don't mean global, Australian, state, City I mean your community. Concentrate on your suburb and your street. Know your neighbour and support them as best you can. Communities need to create employment for there young as a civic responsibility and stop worrying about the ski boat and holiday home. We are driven by greed and selfishness that is hidden behind global community.

There are no magic solutions available to or by government. In Fact government are powerless to do anything about it. Any action they may take in the endless spiral downward in law and order as well as the deterioration of social interactions in our communities fail spectacularly with only further deterioration of the situation and the erosion of human rights as the outcomes.

It is the hardest of all situations to overcome but it can only be done within communities and by communities. Greed must be shunned, families must again be shamed when on the dole, those that don't put in and contribute have backs turned to them. Responsibility to the people around you and not hiding behind nationalism and globalisation. The Romans fell because the morale corruption could not be reclaimed because the people were to selfish to change and western society is rotting from the inside for the same reasons.

It is a change of thinking that must come. Every civilization goes through cycles in it's rise and fall. They build through strict and cruel morale law, as they peak they find an equilibrium of morale value and personal freedom then freedom takes over and selfishness and greed become the virons that rot the corpse.

You can't have a community with such a rapid influx of such a large number of various alien people who do not share your values.

Back to top

IP Logged

nairbe

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 2587
Rural NSW
Gender: male

Re: A deep moral blindness is apparent, in the West
Reply #25 - Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 7:13pm

Soren wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 10:18pm:

nairbe wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2012 at 10:30am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 21^st, 2012 at 5:02pm:

Lots of criticisms there nairbe but little by the way of solutions.

Good point, try applying to yourself.

Mine is only a personal opinion and we all know what we say about opinions. To me the key is in community and by that i don't mean global, Australian, state, City I mean your community. Concentrate on your suburb and your street. Know your neighbour and support them as best you can. Communities need to create employment for there young as a civic responsibility and stop worrying about the ski boat and holiday home. We are driven by greed and selfishness that is hidden behind global community.

There are no magic solutions available to or by government. In Fact government are powerless to do anything about it. Any action they may take in the endless spiral downward in law and order as well as the deterioration of social interactions in our communities fail spectacularly with only further deterioration of the situation and the erosion of human rights as the outcomes.

It is the hardest of all situations to overcome but it can only be done within communities and by communities. Greed must be shunned, families must again be shamed when on the dole, those that don't put in and contribute have backs turned to them. Responsibility to the people around you and not hiding behind nationalism and globalisation. The Romans fell because the morale corruption could not be reclaimed because the people were to selfish to change and western society is rotting from the inside for the same reasons.

It is a change of thinking that must come. Every civilization goes through cycles in it's rise and fall. They build through strict and cruel morale law, as they peak they find an equilibrium of morale value and personal freedom then freedom takes over and selfishness and greed become the virons that rot the corpse.

You can't have a community with such a rapid influx of such a large number of various alien people who do not share your values.

I don't know about the diversity, i have friends who are Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist and Atheist and in the end we all get on and the coure value of family and friendship is there. I would though not disagree that to have such large population changes and growth in our cities does destroy those values. It is not the few refugees that we receive but the obsession with a big Australia.

Back to top

"Faced with what is right, to leave it undone shows a lack of courage."
Confucius

IP Logged

BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: A deep moral blindness is apparent, in the West Reply #26 - Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 7:20pm The so called West will die if it aint careful! The other half know what war is!! War requires a morality in order to be successfully campaigned!!!
Back to top	Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) IP Logged

Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: A deep moral blindness is apparent, in the West Reply #27 - Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 8:14pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 7:20pm: The so called West will die if it aint careful! The other half know what war is!! War requires a morality in order to be successfully campaigned!!! Care to clarify what this gibberish means?
Back to top	IP Logged

nairbe

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 2587
Rural NSW
Gender: male

Re: A deep moral blindness is apparent, in the West
Reply #28 - Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 8:23pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 8:14pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 7:20pm:

The so called West will die if it aint careful!

The other half know what war is!! War requires a morality in order to be successfully campaigned!!!

Care to clarify what this gibberish means?

Is it not obvious? if you don't believe what you are fighting for you will never succeed.

Back to top

"Faced with what is right, to leave it undone shows a lack of courage."
Confucius

IP Logged

Postmodern Trendoid III

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 10266
Gender: male

Re: A deep moral blindness is apparent, in the West
Reply #29 - Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 8:24pm

nairbe wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 8:23pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 8:14pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2012 at 7:20pm:

The so called West will die if it aint careful!

The other half know what war is!! War requires a morality in order to be successfully campaigned!!!

Care to clarify what this gibberish means?

Is it not obvious? if you don't believe what you are fighting for you will never succeed.

You should be death's translator.

Back to top

IP Logged