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Reply #15 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:49am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:27am:
____ wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:22am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:19am:
the green-goober remains just as idiotic as ever. Imagine becoming self-sufficient on oil because of this. Maybe it is actually a great idea! and the fact the greens hate it makes it sounds even better since they only ever oppose good ideas.



So the Coal-CSG-ilition wants to destroy our ability for food security via our dirty brown coal.

Why are Coal-CSG-ition so anti Australian families being able to feed themselves?


gotta love those humungous leaps of yours...  being flogged mercilessly by your political superiors (libs) must still hurt. NSW last year QLD this year, Federally this year or next.

you are doomed to irrelevancy. get used to it.



The connection ... Greenhouse gas from brown coal will increase our CO2 pollution ... so shift pattern and cause our agriculture (shifting rainfall) and fisheries (acidification) collapse in time.


Meanwhile if Libs are going to flog anyone ... why are their primary stagnating, since the election (41%)


D'OH!
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Reply #16 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 8:11am
 
How does producing our own oil save us from global oil price spikes.

Surely if the global price spikes, we will sell it globally.   Our oil price has been set at the Singapore rate for decades now.

Better to wean us off relying on oil so heavily.
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Reply #17 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 8:32am
 
____ wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:49am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:27am:
____ wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:22am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:19am:
the green-goober remains just as idiotic as ever. Imagine becoming self-sufficient on oil because of this. Maybe it is actually a great idea! and the fact the greens hate it makes it sounds even better since they only ever oppose good ideas.



So the Coal-CSG-ilition wants to destroy our ability for food security via our dirty brown coal.

Why are Coal-CSG-ition so anti Australian families being able to feed themselves?


gotta love those humungous leaps of yours...  being flogged mercilessly by your political superiors (libs) must still hurt. NSW last year QLD this year, Federally this year or next.

you are doomed to irrelevancy. get used to it.



The connection ... Greenhouse gas from brown coal will increase our CO2 pollution ... so shift pattern and cause our agriculture (shifting rainfall) and fisheries (acidification) collapse in time.


Meanwhile if Libs are going to flog anyone ... why are their primary stagnating, since the election (41%)


D'OH!


44% moron. a figure a wanker like you cant even imagine.
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Reply #18 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 8:37am
 
There is a BIG difference between finding new, large Reserves of cheap natural Oil, to manufacturing small quantities of expensive Oil, by converting Coal.

In Australia, natural Oil discoveries has been in decline for decades & Oil production has been in decline since around 2001.

Globally, the decline in the discovery of new Oil Reserves has been applicable for around 40 years and natural Production of Oil has plateaued since 2005, ahead of an inevitable decline, which has already happened in many countries.
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Reply #19 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 9:22am
 
One such program in the pipeline.

Also under threat from a take over from the newly merged Aston and Whitehaven.

COAL TO LIQUIDS PLANT

In 2009 Coalworks signed a strategic alliance with US based Synthesis Energy Systems Inc. (SES) to conduct a feasibility study for a coal to petrol plant. The alliance would facilitate licences of the technology required for the plant. SES recently constructed and now operates a gasification plant in China using clean coal technology. As background to this alliance, Coalworks commissioned International Engineers Uhde Shedden to conduct a pre feasibility study (PFS) for the construction of a clean coal plant at Oaklands.

Past reports conclude that Oaklands coal is remarkably suitable for gasification where coal is converted to synthetic natural gas (syngas) for power or to upgrade to value added products. Gasification is a key technology for lower emissions coal because in converting the coal to syngas carbon dioxide can be captured in readiness for sequestration. Accordingly, the PFS considered 5 coal process plants of which coal to gasoline using Exxon's Methanol to Gasoline (MTG) technology was the most robust. The strategic alliance envisages SES arranging a licence from ExxonMobil of its MTG technology. Such a CTL plant would involve three major technologies to process the coal in three major steps:

(i) Coal is fed into a gasifier to create syngas;
(ii) Syngas is then reformed into methanol;
(iii) Methanol is then converted by an MTG module to gasoline;

Each component of the plant, including the three major technologies, is a commercially proven technology. The advantages of such a plant are:

•Coal is greatly upgraded in value to gasoline for fuel use
•Gasoline product can be stored in tanks and transported by rail;
•Gasoline is an excellent saleable product with strong markets and pricing
•Methanol can also be produced, stored in tanks and sold
•CTL Plant employs clean coal technology to reduce pollutants
•CTL Plant can take advantage of future rises in oil price
•CTL Plant has potential for long term profitability through large coal resource
Key factors supporting development of such a plant at Oaklands are:

•Availability of large quantity of low cost coal suitable for gasification
•Landowner strategic alliance allows flat site for CTL plant
•CTL plant is not dependant on transmission or gas infrastructure
•Rail line provides transport line to ship gasoline to market
•Ample water available
•Proximity of highly skilled workforce in regional centres to service plant
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Reply #20 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 9:23am
 
There are many misconceptions about clean coal technology. Here are some of the most frequently asked questions and Coalworks responses to them:

Q & A
Have commercial clean coal plants been built?
Yes, they have been built to commercial scale and are operating successfully. The website "Clean Coal Success Stories" refers to many of the clean coal plants featured on this page (click on "CLICK FOR MORE CLEAN COAL SUCCESS STORIES" below). We also have listed some of these plants in the panel to the left with each button linking to a photo demonstrating the commercial size of the plants.

Note: Coalworks has announced a strategic alliance with Synthesis Energy Systems Inc (Nasdaq:SYMX) to consider the feasibility of developing a gasification and liquefaction plant at its Oaklands project utilising SES proprietary U-GAS® gasification technology. 

This plant would process coal mined from the proposed Oaklands Coal mine and cleanly convert it to petrol.   This involves the coal being stockpiled before being fed into a gasification reactor to produce syngas.  The syngas is then processed to produce petrol in the remaining process plant.   

The clean coal plant allows removal of sulphur, nitrous oxides and carbon dioxide from the syngas using this commercially proven technology. U-GAS® technology has been proven on  a commercial scale with gasification plants in China, for example, at Shandong Province in China- the Hai Hua plant which has been operating since January 2008. See www.synthesisenergy.com

CLICK FOR MORE CLEAN COAL SUCCESS STORIES

Cleaner electricity is being produced from these plants which are known as integrated gasification combined cycle power stations (IGCC plants) - see Gasification below.

What about their clean coal performance?
The Puertollano Plant which is the largest IGCC plant has published performance figures showing substantial reduction in CO2 emissions and other pollutants compared with present technologies.

Carbon Capture and Storage occurs in the oil industry but has it been applied to the coal industry?
Yes, there is a large coal gasification plant in North Dakota sequestrating CO2 and piping it to Canada where it is sequestrated in depleted oil fields. This large commercial plant has been operating CCS for several years. There is a misconception that the technology is unproven or untried and thus CCS research has commenced. It is not the technology that is in issue, it is the suitability of the sequestration sites and the improvement of existing technologies for sequestration that are targeted. In summary CCS works but specific sites require differing solutions.

GASIFICATION - THE KEY TO CLEAN COAL TECHNOLOGIES
Coal gasification is the process of converting coal to a gaseous fuel through partial oxidation. The coal is fed into a high-temperature pressurized container along with steam and a limited amount of oxygen to produce a gas. The gas is known as synthesis gas or syngas and mainly consists of carbon monoxide and hydrogen. The advantage is that when you gasify to produce syngas CO2 can be captured as part of this process. Furthermore even without CCS emissions from gasification are much lower. Syngas can be used to produce electricity, gas, or synthetic fuels or major chemicals such as methanol, ammonia or urea. The synthetic fuels are purer than the fuels that are currently derived from petroleum because gasification allows removal of contaminants such as sulphur and nitrogen oxides. The IGCC plants featured above all use gasification and have superior efficiency to conventional plants meaning they emit less CO2 per tonne of coal. Key advantages of Gasification:

- Cleanest of all coal based technologies
- Uses 30% to 40% less water
- Can remove contaminants such as mercury and sulphur
- Lowers SOx and NOx emissions
- A proven and reliable technology
- More direct route to making clean burning hydrogen

NEW GENERATION CLEAN COAL PLANTS
Conventional coal fired power technology which has operated at lower temperatures (called sub critical temperature plants) has advanced to the stage where super critical and ultra supercritical plants are now being introduced. These new generation plants have much higher efficiencies meaning that less coal is consumed per megawatt of electricity produced thus lowering CO2 emissions. In addition more efficient techniques of reducing sulphur, SOx, NOx and mercury emissions are applied. The new Kogan Creek power station in Queensland is an example of a supercritical power station. In addition it has applied dry cooling in favour of water cooling to drastically reduce water usage. In March 2008 the CSIRO signed an agreement with China's thermal power institute to build a post combustion CO2 capture n plant at Huaneng Beijing Co Generation Power Plant as a research project. This would also allow older power plants to be retrofitted and made "carbon capture ready".

SEQUESTRATION OF CO2
Carbon capture and storage (CCS) is currently being demonstrated by a large commercial coal gasification plant in North Dakota at the Great Plains Gasification Plant which gasifies brown coal , captures the CO2 and then sends it by pipeline for sequestration to a depleted oil reservoir in Alberta.

CLICK FOR COAL CCS - CO2 SUCCESS STORY

Oil and gas reservoirs are a prime target for sequestration but saline aquifers have also been identified as potential reservoirs which could chemically lock the CO2 in solution if the conditions are right. For example a saline aquifer in sandstone would lock such CO2 in like a sponge absorbing water.

COALWORKS CLEAN COAL STRATEGY
Coalworks has been promoting its coal due to its excellent gasification and low sulphur qualities making it attractive for users of clean coal technologies

Coalworks has also conducted testwork on briquetting coal which reduces moisture in an endeavour to lower the CO2 emission footprint of the coal

Coalworks has commenced discussions with the NSW Government concerning the possible construction of an IGCC plant at Oaklands designed to lower CO2 emission. Government advisers have singled out Oaklands as an ideal location for a power station and Oaklands coal is excellent for gasification and has low sulphur giving excellent potential for a clean coal power station

One of the candidates for sequestration sites are deep saline aquifers. The Oaklands Basin contains saline formations extending to at least 1300m depth, with significant mudstone sealing layers, and may therefore be suitable for carbon capture and storage.

COAL TO LIQUIDS POTENTIAL
A Coal to Liquids plant using gasification at Oaklandscould be built which is capable of producing various chemicals e.g. methanol, ammonia and liquid fuels. Methanol has a number of uses including use as a blend with biofuels.

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Reply #21 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 9:48am
 
More Q&A

Is C02 sequestration a safe way of storing co2?

No. Co2 being a gas is difficult to contain. If sequestration was adopted on a wide scale the risk of major releases of co2 by human error or natural disaster (earthquake) would be very large. Once lost to the atmosphere, there is no current technology to recover it.

Are their enough sequestration locations to capture enough co2 to avert global warming?

No, the co2 produced by coal is approximately 10 times the volume of the coal that produced it. If all the depleted oil wells in the world were used to store c02, it would only equate to less than 6 months c02 emissions from coal fired power plants world wide.

Is "clean coal" a PR exercise to prolong the coal industry?

Yes, Coal itself is the most efficient form of co2 storage, and so burning it and then trying to store the co2 will remove all the cost benefits and efficiency coal brings.
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Reply #22 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 10:06am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 8:32am:
____ wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:49am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:27am:
____ wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:22am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:19am:
the green-goober remains just as idiotic as ever. Imagine becoming self-sufficient on oil because of this. Maybe it is actually a great idea! and the fact the greens hate it makes it sounds even better since they only ever oppose good ideas.



So the Coal-CSG-ilition wants to destroy our ability for food security via our dirty brown coal.

Why are Coal-CSG-ition so anti Australian families being able to feed themselves?


gotta love those humungous leaps of yours...  being flogged mercilessly by your political superiors (libs) must still hurt. NSW last year QLD this year, Federally this year or next.

you are doomed to irrelevancy. get used to it.



The connection ... Greenhouse gas from brown coal will increase our CO2 pollution ... so shift pattern and cause our agriculture (shifting rainfall) and fisheries (acidification) collapse in time.


Meanwhile if Libs are going to flog anyone ... why are their primary stagnating, since the election (41%)


D'OH!


44% moron. a figure a wanker like you cant even imagine.




Libs 41%, Nats are on 3% ... coalition are getting 44%


Gee, so many errors by you longweekend, now days old man.

At least your consistent. Consistently incorrect.
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Reply #23 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 10:06am
 
____ wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:49am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:27am:
____ wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:22am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:19am:
the green-goober remains just as idiotic as ever. Imagine becoming self-sufficient on oil because of this. Maybe it is actually a great idea! and the fact the greens hate it makes it sounds even better since they only ever oppose good ideas.



So the Coal-CSG-ilition wants to destroy our ability for food security via our dirty brown coal.

Why are Coal-CSG-ition so anti Australian families being able to feed themselves?


gotta love those humungous leaps of yours...  being flogged mercilessly by your political superiors (libs) must still hurt. NSW last year QLD this year, Federally this year or next.

you are doomed to irrelevancy. get used to it.



The connection ... Greenhouse gas from brown coal will increase our CO2 pollution ... so shift pattern and cause our agriculture (shifting rainfall) and fisheries (acidification) collapse in time.


Meanwhile if Libs are going to flog anyone ... why are their primary stagnating, since the election (41%)

D'OH!


The hippie Greens can only imagine in a drug fueled haze what it is like to have 41%.
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Reply #24 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 10:13am
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 10:06am:
____ wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:49am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:27am:
____ wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:22am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:19am:
the green-goober remains just as idiotic as ever. Imagine becoming self-sufficient on oil because of this. Maybe it is actually a great idea! and the fact the greens hate it makes it sounds even better since they only ever oppose good ideas.



So the Coal-CSG-ilition wants to destroy our ability for food security via our dirty brown coal.

Why are Coal-CSG-ition so anti Australian families being able to feed themselves?


gotta love those humungous leaps of yours...  being flogged mercilessly by your political superiors (libs) must still hurt. NSW last year QLD this year, Federally this year or next.

you are doomed to irrelevancy. get used to it.



The connection ... Greenhouse gas from brown coal will increase our CO2 pollution ... so shift pattern and cause our agriculture (shifting rainfall) and fisheries (acidification) collapse in time.


Meanwhile if Libs are going to flog anyone ... why are their primary stagnating, since the election (41%)

D'OH!


The hippie Greens can only imagine in a drug fueled haze what it is like to have 41%.




At least the stagnating Libs have this to hold on, as they continual their blind leading the blind path in the political wilderness.
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Reply #25 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 10:17am
 
____ wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 10:13am:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 10:06am:
____ wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:49am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:27am:
____ wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:22am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:19am:
the green-goober remains just as idiotic as ever. Imagine becoming self-sufficient on oil because of this. Maybe it is actually a great idea! and the fact the greens hate it makes it sounds even better since they only ever oppose good ideas.



So the Coal-CSG-ilition wants to destroy our ability for food security via our dirty brown coal.

Why are Coal-CSG-ition so anti Australian families being able to feed themselves?


gotta love those humungous leaps of yours...  being flogged mercilessly by your political superiors (libs) must still hurt. NSW last year QLD this year, Federally this year or next.

you are doomed to irrelevancy. get used to it.



The connection ... Greenhouse gas from brown coal will increase our CO2 pollution ... so shift pattern and cause our agriculture (shifting rainfall) and fisheries (acidification) collapse in time.


Meanwhile if Libs are going to flog anyone ... why are their primary stagnating, since the election (41%)

D'OH!


The hippie Greens can only imagine in a drug fueled haze what it is like to have 41%.




At least the stagnating Libs have this to hold on, as they continual their blind leading the blind path in the political wilderness.


A stagnating 41% is better than the other parties eh. Smiley
41% is 41% in anyones language.
It's still enough to hand Labor it's deserved drubbing.
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Verge wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 9:23am:
There are many misconceptions about clean coal technology. Here are some of the most frequently asked questions and Coalworks responses to them:

Q & A
Have commercial clean coal plants been built?
Yes, they have been built to commercial scale and are operating successfully. The website "Clean Coal Success Stories" refers to many of the clean coal plants featured on this page (click on "CLICK FOR MORE CLEAN COAL SUCCESS STORIES" below). We also have listed some of these plants in the panel to the left with each button linking to a photo demonstrating the commercial size of the plants.

Note: Coalworks has announced a strategic alliance with Synthesis Energy Systems Inc (Nasdaq:SYMX) to consider the feasibility of developing a gasification and liquefaction plant at its Oaklands project utilising SES proprietary U-GAS® gasification technology. 

This plant would process coal mined from the proposed Oaklands Coal mine and cleanly convert it to petrol.   This involves the coal being stockpiled before being fed into a gasification reactor to produce syngas.  The syngas is then processed to produce petrol in the remaining process plant.   

The clean coal plant allows removal of sulphur, nitrous oxides and carbon dioxide from the syngas using this commercially proven technology. U-GAS® technology has been proven on  a commercial scale with gasification plants in China, for example, at Shandong Province in China- the Hai Hua plant which has been operating since January 2008. See www.synthesisenergy.com

CLICK FOR MORE CLEAN COAL SUCCESS STORIES

Cleaner electricity is being produced from these plants which are known as integrated gasification combined cycle power stations (IGCC plants) - see Gasification below.

What about their clean coal performance?
The Puertollano Plant which is the largest IGCC plant has published performance figures showing substantial reduction in CO2 emissions and other pollutants compared with present technologies.

Carbon Capture and Storage occurs in the oil industry but has it been applied to the coal industry?
Yes, there is a large coal gasification plant in North Dakota sequestrating CO2 and piping it to Canada where it is sequestrated in depleted oil fields. This large commercial plant has been operating CCS for several years. There is a misconception that the technology is unproven or untried and thus CCS research has commenced. It is not the technology that is in issue, it is the suitability of the sequestration sites and the improvement of existing technologies for sequestration that are targeted. In summary CCS works but specific sites require differing solutions.

GASIFICATION - THE KEY TO CLEAN COAL TECHNOLOGIES
Coal gasification is the process of converting coal to a gaseous fuel through partial oxidation. The coal is fed into a high-temperature pressurized container along with steam and a limited amount of oxygen to produce a gas. The gas is known as synthesis gas or syngas and mainly consists of carbon monoxide and hydrogen. The advantage is that when you gasify to produce syngas CO2 can be captured as part of this process. Furthermore even without CCS emissions from gasification are much lower. Syngas can be used to produce electricity, gas, or synthetic fuels or major chemicals such as methanol, ammonia or urea. The synthetic fuels are purer than the fuels that are currently derived from petroleum because gasification allows removal of contaminants such as sulphur and nitrogen oxides. The IGCC plants featured above all use gasification and have superior efficiency to conventional plants meaning they emit less CO2 per tonne of coal. Key advantages of Gasification:

- Cleanest of all coal based technologies
- Uses 30% to 40% less water
- Can remove contaminants such as mercury and sulphur
- Lowers SOx and NOx emissions
- A proven and reliable technology
- More direct route to making clean burning hydrogen

NEW GENERATION CLEAN COAL PLANTS
Conventional coal fired power technology which has operated at lower temperatures (called sub critical temperature plants) has advanced to the stage where super critical and ultra supercritical plants are now being introduced. These new generation plants have much higher efficiencies meaning that less coal is consumed per megawatt of electricity produced thus lowering CO2 emissions. In addition more efficient techniques of reducing sulphur, SOx, NOx and mercury emissions are applied. The new Kogan Creek power station in Queensland is an example of a supercritical power station. In addition it has applied dry cooling in favour of water cooling to drastically reduce water usage. In March 2008 the CSIRO signed an agreement with China's thermal power institute to build a post combustion CO2 capture n plant at Huaneng Beijing Co Generation Power Plant as a research project. This would also allow older power plants to be retrofitted and made "carbon capture ready".

SEQUESTRATION OF CO2
Carbon capture and storage (CCS) is currently being demonstrated by a large commercial coal gasification plant in North Dakota at the Great Plains Gasification Plant which gasifies brown coal , captures the CO2 and then sends it by pipeline for sequestration to a depleted oil reservoir in Alberta.

CLICK FOR COAL CCS - CO2 SUCCESS STORY

Oil and gas reservoirs are a prime target for sequestration but saline aquifers have also been identified as potential reservoirs which could chemically lock the CO2 in solution if the conditions are right. For example a saline aquifer in sandstone would lock such CO2 in like a sponge absorbing water.

COALWORKS CLEAN COAL STRATEGY
Coalworks has been promoting its coal due to its excellent gasification and low sulphur qualities making it attractive for users of clean coal technologies

Coalworks has also conducted testwork on briquetting coal which reduces moisture in an endeavour to lower the CO2 emission footprint of the coal

Coalworks has commenced discussions with the NSW Government concerning the possible construction of an IGCC plant at Oaklands designed to lower CO2 emission. Government advisers have singled out Oaklands as an ideal location for a power station and Oaklands coal is excellent for gasification and has low sulphur giving excellent potential for a clean coal power station

One of the candidates for sequestration sites are deep saline aquifers. The Oaklands Basin contains saline formations extending to at least 1300m depth, with significant mudstone sealing layers, and may therefore be suitable for carbon capture and storage.

COAL TO LIQUIDS POTENTIAL
A Coal to Liquids plant using gasification at Oaklandscould be built which is capable of producing various chemicals e.g. methanol, ammonia and liquid fuels. Methanol has a number of uses including use as a blend with biofuels.




Verge ... no link to your post

http://www.coalworks.com.au/clean-coal.php

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Reply #27 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 10:21am
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 10:17am:
____ wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 10:13am:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 10:06am:
____ wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:49am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:27am:
____ wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:22am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:19am:
the green-goober remains just as idiotic as ever. Imagine becoming self-sufficient on oil because of this. Maybe it is actually a great idea! and the fact the greens hate it makes it sounds even better since they only ever oppose good ideas.



So the Coal-CSG-ilition wants to destroy our ability for food security via our dirty brown coal.

Why are Coal-CSG-ition so anti Australian families being able to feed themselves?


gotta love those humungous leaps of yours...  being flogged mercilessly by your political superiors (libs) must still hurt. NSW last year QLD this year, Federally this year or next.

you are doomed to irrelevancy. get used to it.



The connection ... Greenhouse gas from brown coal will increase our CO2 pollution ... so shift pattern and cause our agriculture (shifting rainfall) and fisheries (acidification) collapse in time.


Meanwhile if Libs are going to flog anyone ... why are their primary stagnating, since the election (41%)

D'OH!


The hippie Greens can only imagine in a drug fueled haze what it is like to have 41%.




At least the stagnating Libs have this to hold on, as they continual their blind leading the blind path in the political wilderness.


A stagnating 41% is better than the other parties eh. Smiley
41% is 41% in anyones language.
It's still enough to hand Labor it's deserved drubbing.



Is it?


Yet the election is not due for 18 months and Libs have boxed themselves into a corner, in their wilderness walkabout.

Then there is the split between Libs and Nats over the motor industry and CSG.

Will the coal-CSG-ition be still standing by the next election, or will Libs be isolated more.

Interesting times Smiley
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Reply #28 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 10:35am
 
Who ever gets in at the next election will have to deal with a strong Greens Party and a few more independents in the Senate.
If the Libs get into power will Labor and the Greens continually undermine the Australian economy just as Abbott has been doing under this Govt?
They may even see fit to block supply
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longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 7:19am:
the green-goober remains just as idiotic as ever. Imagine becoming self-sufficient on oil because of this. Maybe it is actually a great idea! and the fact the greens hate it makes it sounds even better since they only ever oppose good ideas.



So the Coal-CSG-ilition wants to destroy our ability for food security via our dirty brown coal.

Why are Coal-CSG-ition so anti Australian families being able to feed themselves?


gotta love those humungous leaps of yours...  being flogged mercilessly by your political superiors (libs) must still hurt. NSW last year QLD this year, Federally this year or next.

you are doomed to irrelevancy. get used to it.



The connection ... Greenhouse gas from brown coal will increase our CO2 pollution ... so shift pattern and cause our agriculture (shifting rainfall) and fisheries (acidification) collapse in time.


Meanwhile if Libs are going to flog anyone ... why are their primary stagnating, since the election (41%)

D'OH!


The hippie Greens can only imagine in a drug fueled haze what it is like to have 41%.




At least the stagnating Libs have this to hold on, as they continual their blind leading the blind path in the political wilderness.


A stagnating 41% is better than the other parties eh. Smiley
41% is 41% in anyones language.
It's still enough to hand Labor it's deserved drubbing.



Is it?


Yet the election is not due for 18 months and Libs have boxed themselves into a corner, in their wilderness walkabout.

Then there is the split between Libs and Nats over the motor industry and CSG.

Will the coal-CSG-ition be still standing by the next election, or will Libs be isolated more.

Interesting times Smiley


Wilderness walkabout?
Makes no difference actually.
Oppositions don't win elections remember.
They never have.
Governments lose them.
Every time.
Opposition don't implement policy.
They never have.
Governments implement policy.
Every time.
You need to keep your eye on the ball Green.
I suspect your losing eye contact.
And incompetent Labor keeps dropping the ball eh, have you noticed?.
Whatever the Coalitions stance on CSG remains to be seen when their policies are released next year, and right now their verbal on the issue means diddly squat.
It's Labors CSG policies that count right now.
It always has. Smiley
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