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Reply #30 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 1:41pm
 
Liberals have already supported CSG and so supported the destruction of our food and water security.

It's both old party's policy since they are the hookers of their pimp, coal lobby.

As for oppositions don't win elections, that thinking is part of why the old parties are stagnating.



If this is the best Libs can do on peak oil, they are even lost further in the wilderness than most realised.
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Reply #31 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 2:46pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 10:35am:
Who ever gets in at the next election will have to deal with a strong Greens Party and a few more independents in the Senate.
If the Libs get into power will Labor and the Greens continually undermine the Australian economy just as Abbott has been doing under this Govt?
They may even see fit to block supply


I somehow doubt that....The behaviour of the independants in Canberra now is likely to turn the voters off.....and almost half of the Greens in the Senate will be up for re-election...
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Reply #32 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 2:56pm
 
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We are not even meeting our international requirement under the International Energy Agency agreement to maintain a strategic petroleum reserve equal to 90 days of prior year's net oil imports -- the purpose of which is to provide economic and national security during an energy crisis.

At current prices, it would cost the nation about $300 million just to buy that amount of fuel. Storage would be extra.

Federal Liberal MP Craig Kelly, who represents Hughes in NSW, is justifiably alarmed by the government's attempts to hide the truth. Yesterday he said the report gave an ominous warning about supplies of conventional liquid fuel, and the risk to those supplied, which present a real danger to our nation's economic prosperity.

"This is a real problem that we will have to face in years to come. So rather than face up to the problem and look at how we can try and minimise the risks -- if the report doesn't exist, the government can pretend they 'didn't know' therefore they can avoid responsibility, or public discussion," he said.

"Second, at the moment we are highly exposed to the risk of a global oil shock, but we in Australia have the ability to insulate ourselves by the development of coal liquefaction plants (coal to liquid oils technology).




So we use conventional liquid fuel to run ... cars
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Reply #33 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 3:59pm
 
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Verge wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 9:23am:
There are many misconceptions about clean coal technology. Here are some of the most frequently asked questions and Coalworks responses to them:

Q & A
Have commercial clean coal plants been built?
Yes, they have been built to commercial scale and are operating successfully. The website "Clean Coal Success Stories" refers to many of the clean coal plants featured on this page (click on "CLICK FOR MORE CLEAN COAL SUCCESS STORIES" below). We also have listed some of these plants in the panel to the left with each button linking to a photo demonstrating the commercial size of the plants.

Note: Coalworks has announced a strategic alliance with Synthesis Energy Systems Inc (Nasdaq:SYMX) to consider the feasibility of developing a gasification and liquefaction plant at its Oaklands project utilising SES proprietary U-GAS® gasification technology. 

This plant would process coal mined from the proposed Oaklands Coal mine and cleanly convert it to petrol.   This involves the coal being stockpiled before being fed into a gasification reactor to produce syngas.  The syngas is then processed to produce petrol in the remaining process plant.   

The clean coal plant allows removal of sulphur, nitrous oxides and carbon dioxide from the syngas using this commercially proven technology. U-GAS® technology has been proven on  a commercial scale with gasification plants in China, for example, at Shandong Province in China- the Hai Hua plant which has been operating since January 2008. See www.synthesisenergy.com

CLICK FOR MORE CLEAN COAL SUCCESS STORIES

Cleaner electricity is being produced from these plants which are known as integrated gasification combined cycle power stations (IGCC plants) - see Gasification below.

What about their clean coal performance?
The Puertollano Plant which is the largest IGCC plant has published performance figures showing substantial reduction in CO2 emissions and other pollutants compared with present technologies.

Carbon Capture and Storage occurs in the oil industry but has it been applied to the coal industry?
Yes, there is a large coal gasification plant in North Dakota sequestrating CO2 and piping it to Canada where it is sequestrated in depleted oil fields. This large commercial plant has been operating CCS for several years. There is a misconception that the technology is unproven or untried and thus CCS research has commenced. It is not the technology that is in issue, it is the suitability of the sequestration sites and the improvement of existing technologies for sequestration that are targeted. In summary CCS works but specific sites require differing solutions.

GASIFICATION - THE KEY TO CLEAN COAL TECHNOLOGIES
Coal gasification is the process of converting coal to a gaseous fuel through partial oxidation. The coal is fed into a high-temperature pressurized container along with steam and a limited amount of oxygen to produce a gas. The gas is known as synthesis gas or syngas and mainly consists of carbon monoxide and hydrogen. The advantage is that when you gasify to produce syngas CO2 can be captured as part of this process. Furthermore even without CCS emissions from gasification are much lower. Syngas can be used to produce electricity, gas, or synthetic fuels or major chemicals such as methanol, ammonia or urea. The synthetic fuels are purer than the fuels that are currently derived from petroleum because gasification allows removal of contaminants such as sulphur and nitrogen oxides. The IGCC plants featured above all use gasification and have superior efficiency to conventional plants meaning they emit less CO2 per tonne of coal. Key advantages of Gasification:

- Cleanest of all coal based technologies
- Uses 30% to 40% less water
- Can remove contaminants such as mercury and sulphur
- Lowers SOx and NOx emissions
- A proven and reliable technology
- More direct route to making clean burning hydrogen

NEW GENERATION CLEAN COAL PLANTS
Conventional coal fired power technology which has operated at lower temperatures (called sub critical temperature plants) has advanced to the stage where super critical and ultra supercritical plants are now being introduced. These new generation plants have much higher efficiencies meaning that less coal is consumed per megawatt of electricity produced thus lowering CO2 emissions. In addition more efficient techniques of reducing sulphur, SOx, NOx and mercury emissions are applied. The new Kogan Creek power station in Queensland is an example of a supercritical power station. In addition it has applied dry cooling in favour of water cooling to drastically reduce water usage. In March 2008 the CSIRO signed an agreement with China's thermal power institute to build a post combustion CO2 capture n plant at Huaneng Beijing Co Generation Power Plant as a research project. This would also allow older power plants to be retrofitted and made "carbon capture ready".

SEQUESTRATION OF CO2
Carbon capture and storage (CCS) is currently being demonstrated by a large commercial coal gasification plant in North Dakota at the Great Plains Gasification Plant which gasifies brown coal , captures the CO2 and then sends it by pipeline for sequestration to a depleted oil reservoir in Alberta.

CLICK FOR COAL CCS - CO2 SUCCESS STORY

Oil and gas reservoirs are a prime target for sequestration but saline aquifers have also been identified as potential reservoirs which could chemically lock the CO2 in solution if the conditions are right. For example a saline aquifer in sandstone would lock such CO2 in like a sponge absorbing water.

COALWORKS CLEAN COAL STRATEGY
Coalworks has been promoting its coal due to its excellent gasification and low sulphur qualities making it attractive for users of clean coal technologies

Coalworks has also conducted testwork on briquetting coal which reduces moisture in an endeavour to lower the CO2 emission footprint of the coal

Coalworks has commenced discussions with the NSW Government concerning the possible construction of an IGCC plant at Oaklands designed to lower CO2 emission. Government advisers have singled out Oaklands as an ideal location for a power station and Oaklands coal is excellent for gasification and has low sulphur giving excellent potential for a clean coal power station

One of the candidates for sequestration sites are deep saline aquifers. The Oaklands Basin contains saline formations extending to at least 1300m depth, with significant mudstone sealing layers, and may therefore be suitable for carbon capture and storage.

COAL TO LIQUIDS POTENTIAL
A Coal to Liquids plant using gasification at Oaklandscould be built which is capable of producing various chemicals e.g. methanol, ammonia and liquid fuels. Methanol has a number of uses including use as a blend with biofuels.




Verge ... no link to your post

http://www.coalworks.com.au/clean-coal.php


I should have put the link in but I missed it.

Coalworks is a company who is trying to do what you say shouldnt be, yet they have the evidence to say its not what you claim it is.

Isnt this is what the carbon tax is all about, using technology to improve the way things are done to have a less impact on the environment?

Coal to liquids is not the same coal to liquids it was 20 years ago.
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Reply #34 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 4:19pm
 
LNC (Linc Energy ?) has been doing this coal to diesel conversion up in Queensland for a few years now using the Fischer-Tropf process pioneered in Germany during WW2 when Hitler was having trouble getting fuel for his war machine.

Linc even drove a GOLF diesel car round a lot of Australia about a year ago using their own diesel to publicize their success.
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Reply #35 - Jan 20th, 2012 at 4:35pm
 
Seaweed biofuel could become alternative to oil, coal

Seaweed "cost-competitive alternative" to oil
Scientists in Chile working on technology
Technology could evolve within three years

THE humble seaweed could become a real biofuel alternative to coal and oil as scientists say they have unlocked the secret of turning its sugar into energy.
A newly engineered microbe can do the work by metabolising all of the major sugars in brown seaweed, potentially making it a cost-competitive alternative to petroleum fuel, said the report in the US journal Science.

The team working on the breakthrough say the technology could be developed to lead to commercialisation within the next three years.

The team at the Berkeley, California-based Bio Architecture Lab engineered a form of E. coli bacteria that can digest the seaweed's sugars into ethanol, it said.

Unlike other microbes before, researchers found it can attack the primary sugar constituent in seaweed, known as alginate.

"Our scientists have engineered an enzyme to degrade and a pathway to metabolise the alginate, allowing us to utilise all the major sugars in seaweed, said Daniel Trunfio, chief executive officer at Bio Architecture Lab.

The advance "makes the biomass an economical feedstock for the production of renewable fuels and chemicals," he said.

A company spokesman told AFP that the lab currently has four aquafarming sites in Chile where it hopes to "scale up its microbe technology as the next step on the path to commercialisation" in the next three years.

Seaweed is seen as an appealing option for biofuel because, unlike corn and sugar cane, it does not use arable land and so does not compete with crops grown for food.

Less than three percent of the world's coastal waters can produce enough seaweed to replace some 60 billion gallons of fossil fuel, according to background information in the article.

At peak production, seaweed could produce 19,000 litres per hectare annually, about twice the level of ethanol productivity from sugarcane and five times higher than the ethanol productivity from corn.

Funding for the research came from the US Department of Energy's Advanced Research Projects Agency, a grant from InnovaChile, and Norwegian oil giant Statoil.


http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/seaweed-biofuel-could-become-alternat...



The only reason Libs are pushing coal is for the coal lobby donations they rely on.

Phase out coal and Liberals are bankrupt.

Follow the money trail of Liberal polices.


Oil from brown coal is old technology, not suited to this human warming period.


Consider this, Climate Change threatens the superannuation of all Australians ... including the rich.
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