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Jan 21st, 2012 at 6:25am
 
AUSTRALIA'S love affair with property is about to be tested amid predictions prices will plummet by as much as 60 per cent, with capital cities hardest hit.

That’s the Armageddon-esque warning from leading US real estate analyst Jordan Wirsz, who believes Australia is heading towards a property bloodbath as the global economic downturn spreads to China and eventually here.   Sad

Mr Wirsz advises Fortune 500 CEOs and fund managers on investing in real estate.

He predicts that a flood of properties will begin to hit the market in Australia from next year as investors scramble to bail out, leading to a property crash of magnitude the country has not seen before.   Shocked

“Right now is not a time to be buying real estate in Australia," Mr Wirsz said.

"The market has slowed substantially but residential prices are likely to fall up to 60 per cent, possibly even more, within five years."

The outlook is even grimmer for land investments, which Mr Wirsz said are more speculative and will plummet by as much as 80 and 90 per cent in value.

Commercial property will also take a hit in line with the residential sector shedding at least 50 per cent of its value. 

Mr Wirsz pointed to artificially low interest rates, high loan-to-value lending practices, overinflated property prices, unrealistic vendor expectations and Australia's large number of second mortgages.   Sad

“I’m bearish about world real estate but I couldn’t be more bearish about the Australian market," he said.

"There have been corrections but they don’t hold up to the scale of what is coming.

"The paradigm is that nobody ever believes house prices can go down but those who have bought at the top of the market are going to be sorely disappointed."

He predicts property prices will be on a slippery slope next year when interest rates begin to rise, commodity prices peak and China's demand for Australian exports slows.  Sad

A sluggish recovery will begin in 2016.

“If you are homeowner, be cautious, get rid of your debt, consider selling if you don’t plan to be in your house for more than seven years and downsize or become a tenant," he said.

The only winners will be real estate agents cashing in on bank-owned properties, he added.   Sad

Adding to the glum outlook, properties in capital city would be hardest hit “because Australian cities are some of the most overvalued in the world and more speculative than regional areas", Mr Wirsz said.  Sad

Mr Wirsz joins other international naysayers including visiting US economist Harry Dent who recently said Australian house prices were 50 per cent overvalued.

With few exceptions, local experts disagree with their predictions.

HSBC’s chief economist Paul Bloxham said for property values to crash there would need to be sharp rises in interest rates, unemployment and housing stocks.

That combination is not on the cards, he said.

"I am not of the view that there is a looming housing bubble in Australia as it seems many doom and gloomsters are," Mr Bloxham said.

"Surely if the market was going to collapse it would have happened in 2009 after the Lehman's collapse when we had the biggest aversion to housing assets that you’ve seen.

"All we saw was a 3 per cent fall in house prices and then they rose."

Mr Bloxham believes an undersupply of housing, more rate cuts, low dwelling price to income ratios and strong overseas demand for Australian assets will act as buffer from global instability

"Some commentators aren’t doing the calculations correctly, they typically look at detached houses in the capital cities, they don’t incorporate apartments and regional areas, and they overstate the level of house prices to income."

Sydney real estate agent Charlie Bailey of Ray White Inner West believes there will not be a burst because there is no bubble.

"People have been predicting house prices to fall every year and every year we have an increase in prices," Mr Bailey said.

"In Sydney, we have 20,000 people a week looking for accommodation and not enough supply.

"I can't see the city's housing infrastructure changing any time soon so a prediction of a 60 per cent fall in property prices is a big call."





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    Jason of QLD Posted at 3:00 PM January 20, 2012

        haha look at all the 'it can't happen here' crowd. The rest of the world thought the exact same thing. Massive shortage of homes in California in 2006. Mr Benanke 'Housing will never fall on a nationwide basis'. Sad


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/money/property/bloodbath-to-hit-australian-real-estate-property-analyst-jordan-wirsz-says/story-e6frfmd0-1226248472949#ixzz1k20FVh1l
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Reply #1 - Jan 21st, 2012 at 6:58am
 
It can't happen here because we have a massive shortage of properties.

No wait. That's properties that are affordable.

I see plenty of empty houses with 'To Let' signs out front. Where are the people wanting housing?

Oh! they don't want to or cant pay the massive rents in a falling economic climate.

Yes' it's true. House prices won't be on the rise for the best part of a decade if at all. No growth for real estate or much else for that matter.

The only things growing are the dole queue and  homelessness.

Come in real estate spruiks......there's some opportunity if you're quick  Wink Wink
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well I cant see it happening here with the latest boat arrival.. we have so many waiting for the govt to fund the rents...

no problems..

put your PANIC BUTTON away crook it wont happen...
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Reply #3 - Jan 21st, 2012 at 7:20am
 
TOO many new homeowners are over-committing themselves with enormous mortgages just to get a foot in the property door, says affordable housing group Adelaide Benevolent Society.   Sad

The president of the not-for-profit group, Robin Matters, says the Government's first-homeowner grants inflated house prices by up to 30 per cent rather than helped people buy homes.   Sad

"Years ago, people bought properties worth approximately one year's total income,'' Matters says.

"This has blown out of proportion and we now see regular occurrences of people borrowing six or seven times their annual salary,'' he says.

Many people are often too quick to leave rental accommodation.

"People are regularly choosing to leave the rental market because they're uncomfortable with landlords inspecting their homes and the uncertainty of tenancy agreements, not because they're financially stable,'' he says.   Sad

"Australia is one of the few countries that doesn't cater for long-term tenants. Lifelong renters in Europe experience similar freedom granted in commercial properties allowing them to paint walls, change carpets and renovate kitchens, essentially making it their own home as opposed to a house.''

Adelaide has the cheapest rents in Australia, with a recent Real Estate Institute of Australia report saying the median rent for a three-bedroom house is $320 a week, and $270 a week for a two-bedroom unit.

Even Hobart's house rents are higher at $330 a week, with Darwin the most expensive at $540.

Matters says there is no one-size-fits-all approach when it comes to renting versus buying.

"People with unreliable or flexible incomes should be very careful about buying a house,'' he says.   Huh

"A minimum 15-20 per cent deposit will usually prevent the pressures often associated with early home ownership."


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Reply #4 - Jan 21st, 2012 at 7:22am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 6:58am:
It can't happen here because we have a massive shortage of properties.

No wait. That's properties that are affordable.

I see plenty of empty houses with 'To Let' signs out front. Where are the people wanting housing?

Oh! they don't want to or cant pay the massive rents in a falling economic climate.

Yes' it's true. House prices won't be on the rise for the best part of a decade if at all. No growth for real estate or much else for that matter.

The only things growing are the dole queue and  homelessness.

Come in real estate spruiks......there's some opportunity if you're quick  Wink Wink




pansi my single mother grand daughter has recently come back into my life..I knew it wasnt over.. but if you knew what she was getting and what they are doing for her.. you would be gobsmacked. the govt is buying blocks of units to house single mothers asylum seekers.. anyone.. I am sure if a homeless person applied they would have no trouble..the govt is bending over backwards to help and find accomodation for these people...

some prefer homelessness and the dole.. its suits them no responsibility just go where you want when you want too..
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Reply #5 - Jan 21st, 2012 at 7:50am
 
cods wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 7:22am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 6:58am:
It can't happen here because we have a massive shortage of properties.

No wait. That's properties that are affordable.

I see plenty of empty houses with 'To Let' signs out front. Where are the people wanting housing?

Oh! they don't want to or cant pay the massive rents in a falling economic climate.

Yes' it's true. House prices won't be on the rise for the best part of a decade if at all. No growth for real estate or much else for that matter.

The only things growing are the dole queue and  homelessness.

Come in real estate spruiks......there's some opportunity if you're quick  Wink Wink




pansi my single mother grand daughter has recently come back into my life..I knew it wasnt over.. but if you knew what she was getting and what they are doing for her.. you would be gobsmacked. the govt is buying blocks of units to house single mothers asylum seekers.. anyone.. I am sure if a homeless person applied they would have no trouble..the govt is bending over backwards to help and find accomodation for these people...

some prefer homelessness and the dole.. its suits them no responsibility just go where you want when you want too..



Yeah family should stick together where possible cods, I'm glad she's back in your life and a cute baby to spoil too.

I'd rather see the government build housing than waste money in other ways, and they always find plenty of ways to waste it.

Government housing is an asset and they should have gone crazy building it over the last 30 years.

I'd rather see single parents and their children in safe, affordable accommodation then they can make progress in other areas of their life if they choose to.

The government have been shy to build accommodation because they might upset the housing boom, so it's good to hear that they are building.
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Reply #6 - Jan 21st, 2012 at 10:28am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 7:50am:
cods wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 7:22am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 6:58am:
It can't happen here because we have a massive shortage of properties.

No wait. That's properties that are affordable.

I see plenty of empty houses with 'To Let' signs out front. Where are the people wanting housing?

Oh! they don't want to or cant pay the massive rents in a falling economic climate.

Yes' it's true. House prices won't be on the rise for the best part of a decade if at all. No growth for real estate or much else for that matter.

The only things growing are the dole queue and  homelessness.

Come in real estate spruiks......there's some opportunity if you're quick  Wink Wink




pansi my single mother grand daughter has recently come back into my life..I knew it wasnt over.. but if you knew what she was getting and what they are doing for her.. you would be gobsmacked. the govt is buying blocks of units to house single mothers asylum seekers.. anyone.. I am sure if a homeless person applied they would have no trouble..the govt is bending over backwards to help and find accomodation for these people...

some prefer homelessness and the dole.. its suits them no responsibility just go where you want when you want too..



Yeah family should stick together where possible cods, I'm glad she's back in your life and a cute baby to spoil too.

I'd rather see the government build housing than waste money in other ways, and they always find plenty of ways to waste it.

Government housing is an asset and they should have gone crazy building it over the last 30 years.

I'd rather see single parents and their children in safe, affordable accommodation then they can make progress in other areas of their life if they choose to.

The government have been shy to build accommodation because they might upset the housing boom, so it's good to hear that they are building.





sounds great on the boards pansi she is being offered a flat in a very posh suburb of Canberra where she will stay for 12 months and can then expect a house/townhouse..she will pay about $100 a week out of the money the govt give her for studying..and being a single mothe.

r the father whom she has a DVO out on will by the look of things pay nothing he pays nothing for the other child he has..

and so it goes on.. having a DVO out makes a hell of a lot of difference.. they are falling over themselves to help her.. her childcare payments will go down to $1 a day...????????..

I roll my eyes its only the tip of the iceberg.
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Reply #7 - Jan 21st, 2012 at 10:46am
 
cods wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 7:18am:
well I cant see it happening here with the latest boat arrival.. we have so many waiting for the govt to fund the rents...

no problems..

put your PANIC BUTTON away crook it wont happen...


I bet you they said that in the US, Ireland, Spain, before the bubble burst Wink

With a credit crunch on the horizon the banks will no longer lend to any deadbeat to buy an over-inflated house. There goes your bubble Wink
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Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 10:46am:
cods wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 7:18am:
well I cant see it happening here with the latest boat arrival.. we have so many waiting for the govt to fund the rents...

no problems..

put your PANIC BUTTON away crook it wont happen...


I bet you they said that in the US, Ireland, Spain, before the bubble burst Wink

With a credit crunch on the horizon the banks will no longer lend to any deadbeat to buy an over-inflated house. There goes your bubble Wink


And it's not the first time it's happened either....Same thing happened in the 1980's 'Recession we had to have'....
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Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 6:58am:
It can't happen here because we have a massive shortage of properties.

No wait. That's properties that are affordable.

I see plenty of empty houses with 'To Let' signs out front. Where are the people wanting housing?

Oh! they don't want to or cant pay the massive rents in a falling economic climate.

Yes' it's true. House prices won't be on the rise for the best part of a decade if at all. No growth for real estate or much else for that matter.

The only things growing are the dole queue and  homelessness.

Come in real estate spruiks......there's some opportunity if you're quick  Wink Wink

You just get overseas investors buying up then don't ya!??!
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I think you'll forgive me I don't place my trust in a U.S Economist.
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I am dearly looking forward to a complete an utter demolistion of the foundation of capitalism in it's current form. I believe in capitalism and the advent of free economy, however I have never beleived in hedge economics with real estate being the prime underpining asset of the economy. From the very beginning of the first British colony here the economy has relied to much on the desperate and dispicable calculations of a few men in power seeking to keep captive the majority of the people as slaves to an economy that serves the interests of very few at the top. I laugh when people - mainly MSM - refer to Oz as some form of eglitarian democracy. What a joke Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

It will be a new day dawning in Oz when we can finally rid ourselves of the yoke that claims "there is not enough land for all of us so we need land developers to best utilise what resources we have for our benefit"

If the governments of the day simply wanted growth in housing they would turn to land lotteries and let new home owners and first time owners enter land lotteries to open up our country. Instead they seek political clout by bribing land developers into making bids fr large parcels of land that are held in "land banks" until homelessness and mortgage repayments make it feasible for large corporations to make multi-million dollar profits out of low paid workers, increasing pollution runoff with clear fell green field estates and traffic, infrastructure and servicxes nightmares for local and state governments along with long time residents in semi-rural areas where these nightmares are usually located........

Let the game begin I say, bring it on. I hope that every "landLORD/LADY" looses the lot they have sequestered out of the poor...................... Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #12 - Jan 22nd, 2012 at 8:00pm
 
GoddyofOz wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 7:16pm:
I think you'll forgive me I don't place my trust in a U.S Economist.


well said. On what basis do you trust the predictions of an idiot economist from another country who doesnt have aclue how we operate. Its just another ethnocentric goon unable to imagine how another country can possibly succeed where they have massively failed. and keep in mind that they have been syaing this for 5 years now and been consistently wrong.

after a while it becomes redundant to say that they have no idea at all!
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GoddyofOz wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 7:16pm:
I think you'll forgive me I don't place my trust in a U.S Economist.


Then you can trust Steve Keen who is an Australian economist that agrees with this US economist Wink
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longweekend58 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 8:00pm:
GoddyofOz wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 7:16pm:
I think you'll forgive me I don't place my trust in a U.S Economist.


well said. On what basis do you trust the predictions of an idiot economist from another country who doesnt have aclue how we operate. Its just another ethnocentric goon unable to imagine how another country can possibly succeed where they have massively failed. and keep in mind that they have been syaing this for 5 years now and been consistently wrong.

after a while it becomes redundant to say that they have no idea at all!


Just how do we operate wanker ??

We barely manufacture anything or add value to it. We export raw materials for a song and then important back finished goods at a huge premium which are then on-sold by ripoff merchants for astronomical profits to the punters who have to buy it on the never never.

Just exactly what is so special with how we operate ??
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