falah wrote on Jan 23
rd, 2012 at 12:16am:
Soren wrote on Jan 22
nd, 2012 at 2:16pm:
You do love misrepresenting Islam with the Shi-ites such as these Shi-ite Hizbullah. falah,
Are we non-moslems misrepresenting ISLAM when we point to the conduct of Shi-ites, who claim to follow the tenets of ISLAM ???
I don't think so.
But falah,
As a good moslem,
as a good Sunni moslem, living in Australia, do you take to yourself
the right to kill your own children [if they dishonour your family, or, if they 'rebel' against the authority of ISLAMIC law] ???
Because Sunni ISLAMIC law says that you have that right.
Am i 'misrepresenting' ISLAM, when i point to that tenet of Sunni ISLAM ???falah,
Who is 'misrepresenting' ISLAM?
Is it we non-moslems?
Or is it the good Sunni-moslems, by their premeditated and intentional omissions, concerning what Sharia permits with regard to 'unbelievers' ?
Quote:
It is no accident or coincidence that Muslims commit 91 percent of honor killings worldwide. A manual of Islamic law certified as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy by Al-Azhar University, the most respected authority in Sunni Islam, says......"not subject to retaliation" is "a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring." ('Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2). In other words, someone who kills his child incurs no legal penalty under Islamic law.
n.b.
The term "honour killing" used in the Western mainstream media is a misnomer.
Dictionary;
misnomer = = a wrong or inaccurate name or term. the wrong use of a name or term.These type of moslem-on-moslem murders are justified
and 'lawful' [within ISLAM], as the killing of 'rebels' against the authority of ISLAM.
Correct falah ???
"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260
falah,
If you are a proud moslem.
If you are a proud of what ISLAM promotes.
And if ISLAM is a virtuous philosophy.
Q.
Why won't you openly reveal to non-moslems, the tenets of belief which ISLAM promotes ?Is the answer, that you and all moslems, are;
1/ ashamed of
your error [in choosing to be a moslem], OR, because you,
2/ are ashamed of what ISLAM/Sharaia promotes and permits?
Hmmm????
"Ye People of the Book! Why do ye clothe Truth with falsehood, and conceal the Truth, while ye have knowledge?"
Koran 3.71
This is an audacious rebuke
to Jews and Christians from 'Allah', considering the lying and duplicitous relationship moslems have always had towards those Jews and Christians who are not yet under moslem power.
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The fact is, that moslems are only prepared to reveal what ISLAM really promotes, when moslems believe that they have the ability [the political power, the 'licence'] to murder their critics, for 'insulting' ISLAM.
e.g.
As per the 'religiously' justified murders which are happening NOW, in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, etc.
Otherwise in those places where moslems lack political authority, moslems,
and the whole moslem community, will blatantly, and intentionally, and deceitfully, misrepresent ISLAM to non-moslems and to naive and trusting non-moslem host communities.
THE TRUTH IS THAT....
Moslems are unwilling to lay ISLAM bare to the scrutiny of non-moslems,
because moslems know that they, moslems, are guilty people.Moslems know that they themselves are,kuffar.
Quote:
You who embrace ISLAM, your own lies and deception, have become a witness against you, before God......
"kuffar" = = "...is an Arabic word meaning.....[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth."
more on that, here...
"Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229682951/0#0+++
Many ISLAMIC spokesmen living within Western nations have also stated that moslems can obey the law of the country in which they live in,
BUT ONLY WHERE THE LOCAL NON-MOSLEM LAWS DO NOT CONFLICT WITH ISLAMIC LAW.
The implication being that, moslems need not obey local laws, WHEREVER local laws conflict with ISLAMIC [Sharia] law.Google;
muslims can obey a local law which does not conflict with islamic lawGoogle;
muslims, obey law of landIMAGE;
Voting is kufr -- an expression of your unbelief
Moslem street protest in New York city
IMAGE;
ISLAMIC law should replace Constitutional law
Moslem street protest in New York city
see also....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Parliament_of_Great_Britain+++
When Mohammed lived in Mecca,
i.e. WHEN MOHAMMED WAS POLITICALLY INSECURE, and
when Mohammed had to rely upon the infidel rulers of Mecca for his saftey, Allah said this...
"Let there be no compulsion in religion:
Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things."
Koran 2.256
Koran 2.256 is now an 'abrogated' [put aside by Allah] Koran verse, which moslems no longer 'take hold' of.
Then after Mohammed became politically secure in Medina,
Allah changed his mind and said this...
"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85
as is explained somewhat here....
Raymond Ibrahim: How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
Consider this video of Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami, a top-ranked figure in Egypt’s Salafi movement which won some 25% of the votes in recent elections. He makes clear a point that, in a different era, would be thoroughly eye-opening—that all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance: when Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive.
......Burhami is referring to the famous Mecca/Medina division: when Muhammad was weak and outnumbered in his early Mecca period, he preached peace and made pacts with infidels; when he became strong in the Medina period, he preached war and went on the offensive. This dichotomy—preach peace when weak, wage war when strong—has been instructive to Muslim leaders for ages.
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