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Re: Liam Neeson 'considers converting to Islam'
Reply #15 - Jan 26^th, 2012 at 6:50pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 26^th, 2012 at 6:27pm:

Proverbs 21:4
An high look, and a proud heart, and the plowing of the wicked, is sin.

"....and the plowing of the wicked, is sin."

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Commentary;

Proverbs 21:4 "An high look, and a proud heart, [and] the plowing of the wicked, [is] sin."

This is speaking of a conceited person so filled up with self that their heart is even stayed on themselves. Pride is a very bad sin.

This plowing of the wicked translates to “Lamp” of the wicked. “Lamp” is used as a symbol for the eyes, which conveys their pride.

Verses 5-7 address the evils of ill-gotten gain. They show 3 major defects in the way this gain is acquired: (1) Hastily, v.5; (2) Deceitfully, v.6; (3) Violently, v.7.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49407 At my desk.	Re: Liam Neeson 'considers converting to Islam' Reply #16 - Jan 26^th, 2012 at 7:26pm Abu and Falah, even though Islam equates freedom of thought with treason, surely you can still tell the difference?
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21894 A cat with a view	Re: Liam Neeson 'considers converting to Islam' Reply #17 - Jan 26^th, 2012 at 7:35pm freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2012 at 7:26pm: Abu and Falah, even though Islam equates freedom of thought with treason, surely you can still tell the difference? I think that your hope in that regard is a little optimist FD. IMAGE... "Freedom GO TO HELL" Moslem street protest, London
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49407 At my desk.	Re: Liam Neeson 'considers converting to Islam' Reply #18 - Jan 26^th, 2012 at 7:40pm And who exactly are they hoping to impress by saying that it is OK for Muslims to stone apostates to death because McCarthy executed some spies and Muslims can't tell the difference? Are they going to tell us it is all a big misunderstanding or something?
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Re: Liam Neeson 'considers converting to Islam'
Reply #19 - Jan 26^th, 2012 at 8:00pm

falah wrote on Jan 26^th, 2012 at 1:18pm:

Liam Neeson 'considers converting to Islam'

http://i1.tribune.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/327451-liamneeson-1327544847...

Liam Neeson is considering converting to Islam, according to newspaper reports.

The desire to convert has sprung from spending time filming in Turkey, according to The Sun.

The Northern Ireland actor, who comes from a Catholic background, told the newspaper that the call to prayer in Istanbul drove him to distraction for the first week of filming but he then began to find it "the most beautiful, beautiful thing".

Neeson, a former altar boy in Ballymena, said: "There are 4,000 mosques in the city. Some are just stunning and it really makes me think about becoming a Muslim."

The actor has been nominated for an Oscar, a BAFTA and three Golden Globe Awards during his career.

He has starred in a number of notable roles including Oskar Schindler in Schindler's List and Michael Collins.

Neeson was married to actress Natasha Richardson for 15 years before her death on 2009, when she suffered a severe head injury in a skiing accident at the Mont Tremblant Resort, in Quebec.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/news/liam-neeson-may-convert-to-islam-16108522.html

It's debatable whether Islam in Istanbul is a true representation of what an Islamic city is. Turkey has been secular since 1923 and so religious zealots have been kept in check since. I admit, it is a very nice city. But this will only remain as long as secularism is the rule and the religious are kept at bay.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Liam Neeson 'considers converting to Islam' Reply #20 - Jan 26^th, 2012 at 8:28pm fd, as you've been informed on more than one occasion, Islam is a nation (ummah), and abandoning it is indeed treason.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Liam Neeson 'considers converting to Islam' Reply #21 - Jan 26^th, 2012 at 8:48pm abu_rashid wrote on Jan 26^th, 2012 at 8:28pm: fd, as you've been informed on more than one occasion, Islam is a nation (ummah), and abandoning it is indeed treason. Where are the national borders of islam? Who is the head of state? What's the currency? Who issues the passports?
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Reply #22 - Jan 26^th, 2012 at 9:17pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 26^th, 2012 at 8:28pm:

fd, as you've been informed on more than one occasion, Islam is a nation (ummah), and abandoning it is indeed treason.

I suspect this has been pointed out to you before, but Islam is not a nation any more. Even if it were, if a Muslim within that nation rejected Islam it would not be treason. Just because Muslims get all confused about the difference does not mean that there is no difference. Islam applies the same punishment to apostasy and treason. This does not mean that apostasy is treason. It is just a convenient excuse for you when people point out how backwards Islam is.

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Reply #23 - Jan 26^th, 2012 at 10:01pm

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2012 at 9:17pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 26^th, 2012 at 8:28pm:

fd, as you've been informed on more than one occasion, Islam is a nation (ummah), and abandoning it is indeed treason.

I suspect this has been pointed out to you before, but Islam is not a nation any more. Even if it were, if a Muslim within that nation rejected Islam it would not be treason. Just because Muslims get all confused about the difference does not mean that there is no difference. Islam applies the same punishment to apostasy and treason. This does not mean that apostasy is treason. It is just a convenient excuse for you when people point out how backwards Islam is.

Exactly so.

Devout moslems revel in presenting the most arcane and convoluted and irrational justifications for their insanity [i.e. their violent conduct] .

The #1 justification for their irrational conduct.....

"This is permitted/required/obligated by Sharia Law."

Dictionary;
revel = =
1 engage in lively and noisy festivities.
2 gain great pleasure from.

revel;

e.g.

"I'm going to kill you godless heathen. Because you are a godless heathen. Allah Akbar!!!!"

'Justification', for moslem mayhem is always required.

And is always forthcoming.

e.g.

"He was an unbeliever."

Dictionary;
mayhem = =
1 violent or damaging disorder; chaos.
2 the crime of maliciously injuring someone, originally so as to render the victim defenceless.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Liam Neeson 'considers converting to Islam'
Reply #24 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 12:50am

Soren wrote on Jan 26^th, 2012 at 8:48pm:

Where are the national borders of islam?

Who is the head of state? What's the currency? Who issues the passports?

It has no borders as I'm sure you're aware, just ever-expanding limits of influence that will one day engulf all Grin

Head of state is currently a vacant position, but we are conducting interviews. Currency is the gold dinar, out of mint at the moment.

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Re: Liam Neeson 'considers converting to Islam'
Reply #25 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 12:53am

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2012 at 9:17pm:

I suspect this has been pointed out to you before, but Islam is not a nation any more.

I think you're confusing nation with state. The Islamic state does not exist at present, the Muslim nation will always exist.

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2012 at 9:17pm:

Even if it were, if a Muslim within that nation rejected Islam it would not be treason.

Actually I think that's defined by Islamic texts, not by people on internet forums.

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2012 at 9:17pm:

Just because Muslims get all confused about the difference does not mean that there is no difference. Islam applies the same punishment to apostasy and treason. This does not mean that apostasy is treason. It is just a convenient excuse for you when people point out how backwards Islam is.

Islam views humans in terms of their millah, which is in effect their "nation", even if they reside within the one state. Treason can definitely be carried out against one's millah.

You're just trying to enforce your own personal view about treason, nation etc. onto the discussion.

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matty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11055 East Sydney Gender:	Re: Liam Neeson 'considers converting to Islam' Reply #26 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 1:02am I won't be watching any of his movies ever again.
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falah Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3162	Re: Liam Neeson 'considers converting to Islam' Reply #27 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 2:43am matty wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 1:02am: I won't be watching any of his movies ever again.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Liam Neeson 'considers converting to Islam' Reply #28 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 9:39am Given that he quotes Pauline Hanson in his signature, I think it's cruel to call him a retard falah, because he probably does actually have a learning disability.
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Re: Liam Neeson 'considers converting to Islam'
Reply #29 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 12:01pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 12:53am:

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2012 at 9:17pm:

Just because Muslims get all confused about the difference does not mean that there is no difference. Islam applies the same punishment to apostasy and treason. This does not mean that apostasy is treason. It is just a convenient excuse for you when people point out how backwards Islam is.

Islam views humans in terms of their millah,

which is in effect their "nation", even if they reside within the one state. Treason can definitely be carried out against one's millah.

You're just trying to enforce your own personal view about treason, nation etc. onto the discussion.

Abu,

The word 'millah' ???

The word 'millah' can mean/refer to, one's 'philosophy of life' ?

Correct?

see...

The distinction between the terms millah & dîn [deen]
e.g.
Allah say: “And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians, until you follow their religion (millah).” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 120]

http://en.islamtoday.net/node/634

Google;
millah meaning, islam

So do moslems [themselves] have a philosophy of life, where if a person does 'recognise' the authority of ISLAM, then that person has no rights, and no protection in law, within a Sharia jurisdiction ?

i.e.
Irrespective of the actual morality of that person [i.e. a person who does 'recognise' the authority of ISLAM] ?

So that in 'recognising' or assessing, any person's 'millah', their degree of respect for ISLAM is everything ?

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