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Reply #90 - Feb 27^th, 2012 at 5:58pm

Soren wrote on Feb 27^th, 2012 at 10:00am:

The ones in Muslim countries are indeed treated like dirt by their... er... brothers. It is far easier for a palestinian to become a subject of her Britannic majesty in Britain, Canada or Australia than to become a subject of the kings of Jordan or Araby or any of the Muslim republics.

SO the inhumanities are at the hands of their fellow Muslims.

You're either a) not too bright or b) attempting to deny the glaringly obvious fact that those regimes are all puppets of the West. Jordan and Saudi especially are two of the most subservient Western slavedogs. So we'll see how things pan out when the Muslims finally turf them out and they go the way of Mubarak, Ben Ali and all the other Western installed vermin.

here's a hint of how things are panning out.

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Reply #91 - Feb 27^th, 2012 at 7:50pm

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 27^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 27^th, 2012 at 10:00am:

The ones in Muslim countries are indeed treated like dirt by their... er... brothers. It is far easier for a palestinian to become a subject of her Britannic majesty in Britain, Canada or Australia than to become a subject of the kings of Jordan or Araby or any of the Muslim republics.

SO the inhumanities are at the hands of their fellow Muslims.

You're either a) not too bright or b) attempting to deny the glaringly obvious fact that those regimes are all puppets of the West. Jordan and Saudi especially are two of the most subservient Western slavedogs. So we'll see how things pan out when the Muslims finally turf them out and they go the way of Mubarak, Ben Ali and all the other Western installed vermin.

here's a hint of how things are panning out.

Well, if they are western puppets, they would yield to the western pressure to regularise their palestinian populations and treat them decently.

Their mistreatment of palestinians in IN DEFIANCE of any western pressure. They mistreat them because it is in their interest to mistreat them, not in the west's interest.

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Reply #92 - Feb 28^th, 2012 at 1:23am

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:51pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 11:17pm:

What you are saying is a blatant misrepresentation.

I have said [i have explained] again, and again, when you have posted, "Biblical passages that called on believers to slaughter infidels"
, that God only ordered the Hebrews to destroy;
1/ criminal nations, nations rife with injustice and violence, and
2/ covenant breakers among the Hebrews.

Sorry, my mistake, let me try to represent you more accurately.

Your book tells you that god commanded the believers to murder innocent little children, because the adults of their nation were criminals who committed violence and injustice. Better?

This is one of the things about Christianity I simply can never fathom. According to your doctrines, all pre-Christ people were just like lifeless dummies, who had no souls, and God just played with them like toys. If he commanded his people to slaughter their little babies, it's ok, because it was Old Covenant times, if he told them to execute a child who disrespected their parents, it's ok because it was OC times as well, if he told the rapist to marry his victim and never divorce her, it's ok because it was OC times.

It's as if those people had absolutely no worth or value as human beings at all, they were merely actors in a story to make Christians feel all warm and fuzzy thousands of years later.

And all throughout Christian & Jewish history, these stories have been used to justify horrific acts of war and plunder. From the various Crusades and Inquisitions to Rumsfeld's biblically inscribed war reports. Yet still you thrust your fingers into your ears and refuse to open your heart to the truth.

Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Still blaspheming against God, against his authority.

Still in rebellion, against God's authority.

You would love any vicious 'crocodile', wouldn't you Abu ?

So long as it was a vicious moslem crocodile.

Abu,

God is the God of the spirits of all flesh....our God, is the LORD of hosts, the Holy One of Israel.

We are, that is, our bodies are the 'hosts'.

And he is >> God <<, the creator of man, and the owner of the spirit within us.

God created us, and God 'owns' us.

Do you have a problem with that Abu ?

Because you seem to love authority, so long as it is Mohammed's revealed authority.

And you seem to be prepared to tolerate teh harshness of 'justice', so long as it is Mohammed's revealed Sharia 'justice'.

But submit your spirit to a 'cruel' God, a God of judgement ?

No way!

Abu,

God said, that is, God communicated to us, that;

Ezekiel 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine;

Psalms 33:1
Rejoice in the LORD, O ye righteous: for praise is comely for the upright.
2 Praise the LORD with harp: sing unto him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings.
3 Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise.
4 For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth.
5 He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD.

Psalms 146:8
The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous:

Who are the righteous Abu ?

OH YES, OF COURSE.....
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"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."

Koran 3.110

Again, who are the righteous, and 'the best of peoples' Abu ?

e.g.
Moslems ?

Moslems, those who 'sanctify' murdering a woman, because she was raped ?

Because that is what is Sharia law mandates.

Google;

rape victim, immoral behaviour sharia

THE LAW OF THE GOD OF ISRAEL.....

Deuteronomy 25:1
If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

Q.
Deuteronomy 4:7
For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for?
8 And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?

A.
NOT THE NATION OF ISLAM !

Abu,

You claim that you are a moslem, and therefore, you claim that you are a 'submitter'.

But your own words reveal that you are in rebellion against God's authority, and therefore, that you are in reality, a kuffar, and an infidel.

Quote:

You who embrace ISLAM, your own lies and deception, have become a witness against you, before God......

"kuffar" = = "...is an Arabic word meaning.....[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth."

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The other day, falah rebuked me.....

falah said...
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How can someone who lies about God be forgiven? Repentance before forgiveness.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1327799946/62#62

Exactly so, i say.

Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Abu,

'How can someone who lies about God be forgiven?'

By our own words and judgements [choices] everyone will be judged.

Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #93 - Feb 28^th, 2012 at 5:32am

Soren wrote on Feb 27^th, 2012 at 7:50pm:

Well, if they are western puppets, they would yield to the western pressure to regularise their palestinian populations and treat them decently.

Their mistreatment of palestinians in IN DEFIANCE of any western pressure. They mistreat them because it is in their interest to mistreat them, not in the west's interest.

Yeh because what the West really wants is decent treatment of Palestinians, and them to feel solidarity with their fellow Muslims & Arabs.

Honestly soren don't you feel like an idiot writing this stuff?

Let me guess you also believe the West supports the Arab spring too right? And you actually believe they were never friendly with Qadhafi and Assad... right?

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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #95 - Feb 28^th, 2012 at 12:33pm

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 28^th, 2012 at 5:32am:

Soren wrote on Feb 27^th, 2012 at 7:50pm:

Well, if they are western puppets, they would yield to the western pressure to regularise their palestinian populations and treat them decently.

Their mistreatment of palestinians in IN DEFIANCE of any western pressure. They mistreat them because it is in their interest to mistreat them, not in the west's interest.

Yeh because what the West really wants is decent treatment of Palestinians, and them to feel solidarity with their fellow Muslims & Arabs.

Honestly soren don't you feel like an idiot writing this stuff?

Let me guess you also believe the West supports the Arab spring too right? And you actually believe they were never friendly with Qadhafi and Assad... right?

Complete nonsense.
The Palsestinians have had many opportunities to form a state.
The Palestinians are receiving massive aid from the West. They would have even more aid if they formed a functioning state (for the first time in history), including aid from Israel.
Individual Palestinians are treated better in the West and in Israel than in any of the Arab countries.
So the evidence is tere for all to see.

The only stumbling block - The Arabs, Palestinians or otherwise, do not recognise Israel's right to exist within secure borders. That is the single issue that causes all the trouble.

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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #96 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 8:26am

falah wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 1:09pm:

Who made up the Universal Declaration of human rights? God or imperfect humans? Who has the right to make laws the Creator or the Created?

Does the Bible conform to the Universal Declaration of human rights?

What is the punishment for apostasy in the Bible?

Case closed.

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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #97 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 8:32am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 8:26am:

falah wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 1:09pm:

Who made up the Universal Declaration of human rights? God or imperfect humans? Who has the right to make laws the Creator or the Created?

Does the Bible conform to the Universal Declaration of human rights?

What is the punishment for apostasy in the Bible?

Case closed.

Q: Who has the right to pass judgement on apostates, gays etc and stone them to death?

A: Muslims.

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Reply #98 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 8:36am

Yadda wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 7:28pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 7:09pm:

Yadda what about the tens of thousands of buildings Jews and Christians have blown up? And the millions of people in them they've murdered? That's an act of desperate retaliation, nothing more, nothing less.

The ironic thing is you seem to be exhibiting the exact things you accuse Muslims of,

....that everytime a Jew or Christian blows up a building full of people, it's nothing, because they're "doing God's work"

but when a Muslim does it, he must be the epitome of wickedness.

You seriously are devoid of the intellect required to compute that aren't you?

Abu,

I have NEVER presented that excuse [the one that you have suggested. well, i can't ever remember doing so.], for the violence that has been visited upon moslems.

I am sorry for the violent deaths of all innocent people.

Even the violent deaths of those innocent people, who 'present' themselves to the world, as moslems.

But are moslem people, innocent people ???

God knows. [ <----- he really does.]

IMAGE...
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'It our muslim destiny to rid the world of Jews'

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'Even Allah's creatures testify that Jews are Allah's enemies'

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'Martyrdom is a very beautiful thing'

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God bless Hitler?

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The real holocaust is coming?

A picture truely does say a thousand words yadda.

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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #99 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 8:40am

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 27^th, 2012 at 5:58pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 27^th, 2012 at 10:00am:

The ones in Muslim countries are indeed treated like dirt by their... er... brothers. It is far easier for a palestinian to become a subject of her Britannic majesty in Britain, Canada or Australia than to become a subject of the kings of Jordan or Araby or any of the Muslim republics.

SO the inhumanities are at the hands of their fellow Muslims.

You're either a) not too bright or b) attempting to deny the glaringly obvious fact that those regimes are all puppets of the West. Jordan and Saudi especially are two of the most subservient Western slavedogs. So we'll see how things pan out when the Muslims finally turf them out and they go the way of Mubarak, Ben Ali and all the other Western installed vermin.

here's a hint of how things are panning out.

They obviously didn't get enough pain the last four attempts at wiping Israel off the map.
Not too bright this lot.
How are they going to feel the next time when Israel has the Egyptians tanks brigades glowing in the dark?

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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #100 - Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 11:58pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 8:40am:

They obviously didn't get enough pain the last four attempts at wiping Israel off the map.
Not too bright this lot.
How are they going to feel the next time when Israel has the Egyptians tanks brigades glowing in the dark

Last four attempts? Are you referring to the staged "wars" in which Western-led Arab puppet regimes put on a facade in order to convince their people Israel was invincable and therefore excuse them from opposing her?

You're only deluding yourself if you honestly believe any of those conflicts were about what we're told they were about. The regimes who "fought" in those wars had armies commanded by British officers/spies, and each and every one of those puppet leaders was exposed as agents of the West. So in reality the only war was a war of information against the populaces of the Muslim countries.

As I said we'll see how things pan out. When the Zionists face an actual Islamic army, they'll flee back to their countries of origin in Europe/U.S.

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Reply #101 - Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 9:09am

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 11:58pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 8:40am:

They obviously didn't get enough pain the last four attempts at wiping Israel off the map.
Not too bright this lot.
How are they going to feel the next time when Israel has the Egyptians tanks brigades glowing in the dark

Last four attempts? Are you referring to the staged "wars" in which Western-led Arab puppet regimes put on a facade in order to convince their people Israel was invincable and therefore excuse them from opposing her?

You're only deluding yourself if you honestly believe any of those conflicts were about what we're told they were about. The regimes who "fought" in those wars had armies commanded by British officers/spies, and each and every one of those puppet leaders was exposed as agents of the West. So in reality the only war was a war of information against the populaces of the Muslim countries.

As I said we'll see how things pan out. When the Zionists face an actual Islamic army, they'll flee back to their countries of origin in Europe/U.S.

This shows remarkable parallels to the German situation between the two world wars. They were bitter about losing the first one and blamed everyone who was involved in the surrenders etc. Abu has just taken it to another level of absurdity. Perhaps that is what it takes for a Muslim to wrap his head around the geopolitical impotence of Muslims in the middle east. If we wanted to be mean about it, we could set up a maccas on that rock thing in Mecca they all pray too with a rollercoaster around the outside.

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Reply #103 - Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 2:20pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 11:58pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 8:40am:

They obviously didn't get enough pain the last four attempts at wiping Israel off the map.
Not too bright this lot.
How are they going to feel the next time when Israel has the Egyptians tanks brigades glowing in the dark

Last four attempts? Are you referring to the staged "wars" in which Western-led Arab puppet regimes put on a facade in order to convince their people Israel was invincable and therefore excuse them from opposing her?

You're only deluding yourself if you honestly believe any of those conflicts were about what we're told they were about. The regimes who "fought" in those wars had armies commanded by British officers/spies, and each and every one of those puppet leaders was exposed as agents of the West. So in reality the only war was a war of information against the populaces of the Muslim countries.

As I said we'll see how things pan out. When the Zionists face an actual Islamic army, they'll flee back to their countries of origin in Europe/U.S.

And from where might that actual Islamic army come from?
Iran? no, they are shia.
Egypt? No, they are living on $2 a day
Syria? Lybia? Er... not soon.
Jordan? Saudi Arabia? Turkey? Pakistan?

France?? Cheesy

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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #104 - Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 3:58pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 11:58pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 8:40am:

They obviously didn't get enough pain the last four attempts at wiping Israel off the map.
Not too bright this lot.
How are they going to feel the next time when Israel has the Egyptians tanks brigades glowing in the dark

Last four attempts? Are you referring to the staged "wars" in which Western-led Arab puppet regimes put on a facade in order to convince their people Israel was invincable and therefore excuse them from opposing her?

You're only deluding yourself if you honestly believe any of those conflicts were about what we're told they were about. The regimes who "fought" in those wars had armies commanded by British officers/spies, and each and every one of those puppet leaders was exposed as agents of the West. So in reality the only war was a war of information against the populaces of the Muslim countries.

As I said we'll see how things pan out. When the Zionists face an actual Islamic army, they'll flee back to their countries of origin in Europe/U.S.

"The regimes who "fought" in those wars had armies commanded by British officers/spies, and each and every one of those puppet leaders was exposed as agents of the West."

You are wrong Abu.

As a good moslem, i thought that you would have known better !

They were all clearly Mossad agents, Jooos, ....and NOT British spies.
/sarc off

LOL

So, all past 'Arab' wars to destroy Israel, all failed, because the Arab armies weren't really trying ???

LOL

OR, all past 'Arab' wars to destroy Israel, all failed, because the Arab armies were ALL white-anted, and weakened by an anti-ISLAMIC/anti-Arab conspiracy ???

LOL

Every failing of ISLAM/moslems, can always be laid at the feet of others.

OR, to some conspiracy, against the 'righteous' moslems.

LOL

Abu,

In every instance where ISLAM has a primary cultural influence upon a society of people, and in those instances where moslems are in authority in a society, and are behaving badly, violently, corruptly, those persons [i.e. moslems], always refuse to accept responsibility for the consequences of their own governance/choices.

Within moslem societies [i.e. where ISLAM has a primary cultural influence], when everything turns to sh!t for them, moslems always [as a society] refuse to accept responsibility for their own poor [violent, corrupt] governance, of their own political affairs.

Q.
Why so?

A.
Because those societies and people are spiritually corrupted, are being guided by something other than God.

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