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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #45 - Feb 18th, 2012 at 10:18pm
 
There is a difference between providing context and simply not answering the question. Turning every discussion of Islamic ideology into a game of who can find the most examples of non-Muslims doing bad things just shows that you recognise that you need to hide something. It is not context, just deflection.
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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #46 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 1:43pm
 
falah wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 11:08pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 10:34pm:
Planner, schemer - what's the difference? The context makes it clear that the disbelievers were schemeing. Allah out-schemed them.
That's the point.





But somehow in Yadda's translation it becomes "deceiver", which is not accurate at all.


It would be like someone saying "Jews are a thrifty people" and then if we apply Yadda's translation style that he uses for the Quran it would come out as: "Jews are money-lovers (they steal)"



Is Kevin Rudd a planner or a schemer?
Was Gillard a deceiver or a planner or a schemer?




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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #47 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 4:19pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 1:43pm:
falah wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 11:08pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 10:34pm:
Planner, schemer - what's the difference? The context makes it clear that the disbelievers were schemeing. Allah out-schemed them.
That's the point.





But somehow in Yadda's translation it becomes "deceiver", which is not accurate at all.


It would be like someone saying "Jews are a thrifty people" and then if we apply Yadda's translation style that he uses for the Quran it would come out as: "Jews are money-lovers (they steal)"



Is Kevin Rudd a planner or a schemer?
Was Gillard a deceiver or a planner or a schemer?






Did your lot, the Zionist jews, plan or scheme their way into Palestine?
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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #48 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 8:44pm
 
falah wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 4:19pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 1:43pm:
falah wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 11:08pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 10:34pm:
Planner, schemer - what's the difference? The context makes it clear that the disbelievers were schemeing. Allah out-schemed them.
That's the point.





But somehow in Yadda's translation it becomes "deceiver", which is not accurate at all.


It would be like someone saying "Jews are a thrifty people" and then if we apply Yadda's translation style that he uses for the Quran it would come out as: "Jews are money-lovers (they steal)"



Is Kevin Rudd a planner or a schemer?
Was Gillard a deceiver or a planner or a schemer?






Did your lot, the Zionist jews, plan or scheme their way into Palestine?





I thought that the state of Israel was teh consequence of Turkey entering WWI on the side of Germany, and then, the world powers in the wake of WWI, deciding to take its Ottoman Empire territories from Turkey.

One consequence was that a tiny area of land was set aside for the Jewish people to set up a state in their ancient homeland.


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Why can't the Jewish people live in their ancient homeland, in peace falah ?

Isn't their enough land in the middle east, for those 'Palestinians' who were displaced.

The fact is that almost all 'Palestinians' ARE ethnic Jordanians.



If is is OK for moslems to take the lands of others, by force.

Why is it wrong, when the original inhabitants of those lands take their land back, by force ?


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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #49 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 9:29am
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 8:44pm:
Why can't the Jewish people live in their ancient homeland, in peace falah ?




For the same reason I cannot live in the British homeland of my ancestors. Or not even in the German homeland of my Anglo-Saxon ancestors.

The Jews left palestine 2000 years ago. If my Anglo Saxon ancestors left Germany 1500 years ago, shouldn't I have a claim to Germany? Or does this logic only apply to Jews?

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Reply #50 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 12:38pm
 
falah wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 9:29am:
Yadda wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 8:44pm:
Why can't the Jewish people live in their ancient homeland, in peace falah ?




For the same reason I cannot live in the British homeland of my ancestors. Or not even in the German homeland of my Anglo-Saxon ancestors.

The Jews left palestine 2000 years ago. If my Anglo Saxon ancestors left Germany 1500 years ago, shouldn't I have a claim to Germany? Or does this logic only apply to Jews?






falah,

That is a false, flawed, argument.

Prior to 1918 [i.e. the end of WWI], the Ottoman territories lawfully belonged to Turkey.

Post 1918, the Ottoman territories did NOT lawfully belong to Turkey.

War has always been a 'reset button', as far as property rights are concerned.







In setting up, and setting aside land for the Jewish state, land was ALSO set aside, and allocated to those Arabs/moslems who would be displaced by the new Jewish state.

The land that was allocated to those Arabs/moslems who would be displaced by the new Jewish state was >> JORDAN <<.




Moslems can go to HELL.

And, they will.

Unless they 'turn', and repent the wickedness in their hearts




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Moslems will NOT win this conflict with the Jewish people.



Psalms 2:1
Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2  The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
3  Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
4  He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
5  Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
6  Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

Psalms 83:3
They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4  They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
5  For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
6  The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
7  Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
8  Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.




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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #51 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:03pm
 
falah wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 9:29am:
Yadda wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 8:44pm:
Why can't the Jewish people live in their ancient homeland, in peace falah ?




For the same reason I cannot live in the British homeland of my ancestors. Or not even in the German homeland of my Anglo-Saxon ancestors.

The Jews left palestine 2000 years ago. If my Anglo Saxon ancestors left Germany 1500 years ago, shouldn't I have a claim to Germany? Or does this logic only apply to Jews?



Part of the process of Indigenous land claims under Australian law is establishing an unbroken connection to the land, which can include a spiritual connection. This is not a new concept. So yes you are right, the logic does apply to Jews and their holy land, but not to you and central Europe.
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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #52 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:23pm
 
im not compatible with it either
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Reply #53 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 5:27pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:03pm:
Part of the process of Indigenous land claims under Australian law is establishing an unbroken connection to the land, which can include a spiritual connection. This is not a new concept. So yes you are right, the logic does apply to Jews and their holy land, but not to you and central Europe.


Well in that case we muslims have a spiritual claim to Palestine. The Muslim Prophet Abraham and his Muslim descendants lived there, our Muslim mosques are built there so it must surely belong to Muslims.
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Reply #54 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 5:30pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 12:38pm:
falah,

Moslems can go to HELL.




Yadda, it is Christians and Jews who are the polytheists. The polytheists are the ones who go to Hell.

I challenge you Yadda, let us both ask God Almighty to send to Hell whichever one of us is on the wrong religion. I am certain I am on the one true monotheistic religion. I am so certain that I am prepared to pray to God and ask him for this. Are you certain enough to do the same?
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Reply #55 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 6:51pm
 
Awesome, a Muslim vs Christian pray-off. Does this mean we are getting somewhere?
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Reply #56 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 12:58pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 6:51pm:
Awesome, a Muslim vs Christian pray-off. Does this mean we are getting somewhere?



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Reply #57 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 1:09pm
 
falah wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 5:30pm:
Yadda wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 12:38pm:
falah,

Moslems can go to HELL.




Yadda, it is Christians and Jews who are the polytheists. The polytheists are the ones who go to Hell.

I challenge you Yadda, let us both ask God Almighty to send to Hell whichever one of us is on the wrong religion. I am certain I am on the one true monotheistic religion. I am so certain that I am prepared to pray to God and ask him for this. Are you certain enough to do the same?




Go for it falah.

I am NOT a moslem.

So let your 'god' curse me.

......because i am NOT a moslem.



Pray to your 'god' falah, do your worst, ........and let your 'god' do his very worst.



MY LIFE, is in the hands of the God of Israel.

I pray to him, and i ask him for his mercy [forgiveness], and for his protection.




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Joel 2:32
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.


Acts 10:34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35  But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.


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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #58 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 8:49pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 24th, 2012 at 1:09pm:
falah wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 5:30pm:
Yadda wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 12:38pm:
falah,

Moslems can go to HELL.




Yadda, it is Christians and Jews who are the polytheists. The polytheists are the ones who go to Hell.

I challenge you Yadda, let us both ask God Almighty to send to Hell whichever one of us is on the wrong religion. I am certain I am on the one true monotheistic religion. I am so certain that I am prepared to pray to God and ask him for this. Are you certain enough to do the same?




Go for it falah.

I am NOT a moslem.

So let your 'god' curse me.

......because i am NOT a moslem.



Pray to your 'god' falah, do your worst, ........and let your 'god' do his very worst.



MY LIFE, is in the hands of the God of Israel.

I pray to him, and i ask him for his mercy [forgiveness], and for his protection.




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Joel 2:32
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.


Acts 10:34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35  But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.





Obviously you do not comprehend how this works Yadda (and it is not surprising considering the limited intellect you have thus far demonstrated).

I am suggesting we both pray to God Almighty to send to Hell which ever one of us in on the wrong religion.

If you really believe you are on the true religion, you should have no problem making such a prayer.

But in your heart you obviously do not believe that you are on the true religion, so your fear holds you back.

All your claims about Muslims going to Hell are shown to be fake when you do not even believe in your own religion.
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Re: Islam vs Universal Declaration of human rights
Reply #59 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 9:01pm
 
falah wrote on Feb 24th, 2012 at 8:49pm:
I am suggesting we both pray to God Almighty to send to Hell which ever one of us in on the wrong religion.

If you really believe you are on the true religion, you should have no problem making such a prayer.




You are suggesting that you know Allah's mind, cocky.


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