abu_rashid wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 7:09pm:



They were not shouting 'For Jesus, the Greatest!" Muslims murder for Allah. That, to them, justifies what they do. Sharia sanctifies martyrdom and jihad. Under Muslim sharia law, they are doing good.

Christians and jews do bad things because they are bad people. They do bad things THEIR OWN LAW doesn't permit. They get prosecuted, not glorified.

Soren wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 9:28am:


Sound's like Abu's had a peek at Punch, what.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 9:50pm:



That is not true, Abu.

What you are saying is a blatant misrepresentation.


I have said [i have explained] again, and again, when you have posted,

"Biblical passages that called on believers to slaughter infidels"

, that God only ordered the Hebrews to destroy;
1/ criminal nations, nations rife with injustice and violence, and
2/ covenant breakers among the Hebrews.

And i have explained to you and falah, again, and again, that in OT law, the God of Israel, NEVER, EVER, ordered the Hebrews to destroy people because they were NOT Hebrews, OR, because they were, 'infidels'.





Again;
THE GOD OF ISRAEL COMMANDED THE HEBREWS TO TREAT 'INFIDELS' ['unbelievers'] WITH RESPECT AND WITH JUSTICE.


Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

n.b.
.....and thou shalt love him as thyself

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19

For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger:

for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18  But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...






Again;
THE NATIONS THAT HEBREWS DESTROYED, WERE DESTROYED BECAUSE THEIR CULTURE WAS ONE OF CRIMINALITY, VIOLENCE, AND PERVERSION [e.g. killing, 'barbecuing', and eating their own children] - THOSE NATIONS WERE NOT DESTROYED BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT HEBREWS


Leviticus 18:24
Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25  And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26  Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27  (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
28  That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
29  For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
30  Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 20:22
Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out.
23  And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.


Deuteronomy 18:9
When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

1 Kings 14:24
And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

2 Kings 16:3
But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, yea, and made his son to pass through the fire, according to the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out from before the children of Israel.

2 Kings 21:2
And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, after the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

2 Chronicles 28:3
Moreover he burnt incense in the valley of the son of Hinnom, and burnt his children in the fire, after the abominations of the heathen whom the LORD had cast out before the children of Israel.

2 Chronicles 33:2
But did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, like unto the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD had cast out before the children of Israel.





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And Abu, i will ask you too [like i accused falah], when are you going to stop continually, repeatedly, and intentionally, slandering the God of Israel, and misrepresenting HIS LAW ?

You and falah,  are accusing the God of Israel of authorising the Hebrews to kill people, BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT 'BELIEVERS'.

And you and falah KNOW, that that accusation and assertion is a lie, and a misrepresentation of the facts.


e.g.
falah......
Quote:

Falah: Jews are 'parasites'
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1327483631/135#135




And i warn you, that if you continue with that premeditated blasphemy, AGAINST GOD HIMSELF, against his truth, then God will not forgive you.

Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
31  Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32  And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


The Holy Ghost, and 'the spirit of truth', are the same.

Those who intentionally misrepresent God's spirit, can expect only God's wrath.

Let's take stock of the situation, shall we.

Jewish & Christian governments and militiaries have carried out the vast bulk of these killings, and the majority of them remain in their positions and many are considered war heroes for those actions by their countries.

On the other side of the coin, we have a few small scattered groups of Islamic resistance fighters, who've responded to those actions, and who have absolutely no recognition of validity from any government or militiary the world over.

Doesn't sound at all like the picture you've painted.

Yadda wrote on Feb 25^th, 2012 at 11:17pm:


Sorry, my mistake, let me try to represent you more accurately.

Your book tells you that god commanded the believers to murder innocent little children, because the adults of their nation were criminals who committed violence and injustice. Better?

This is one of the things about Christianity I simply can never fathom. According to your doctrines, all pre-Christ people were just like lifeless dummies, who had no souls, and God just played with them like toys. If he commanded his people to slaughter their little babies, it's ok, because it was Old Covenant times, if he told them to execute a child who disrespected their parents, it's ok because it was OC times as well, if he told the rapist to marry his victim and never divorce her, it's ok because it was OC times.

It's as if those people had absolutely no worth or value as human beings at all, they were merely actors in a story to make Christians feel all warm and fuzzy thousands of years later.

And all throughout Christian & Jewish history, these stories have been used to justify horrific acts of war and plunder. From the various Crusades and Inquisitions to Rumsfeld's biblically inscribed war reports. Yet still you thrust your fingers into your ears and refuse to open your heart to the truth.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:



Yes, indeed, we remember that one.

What is happening in Afghanistan is that the superpower is fighting fairly - it is not targeting civilians but is trying to kill only enemy who dress like civilians...

If the West fought like Muslims, Afghanistan would now have wet T-shirt competitions in the sports bars of every village. That is to say, all resistance and then some would have been wiped out within two weeks and imperial order restored for generation to come.

The only reason the mujahadeen are alive is because the people of the west - ie people like me - wouldn't accept decisive military action - rather than because decisive military action is not possible.
An ultimatum, followed by annihilation would be a lot easier. But that would be fighting like Muslims in the Hindu Kush, so we'd rather appeal to their reason. A heavy price to pay, but still...


The point I made remains central in all of this: every militarty action by the West against Muslim has been a response to Muslim agression. Every single one. Islam is aggressive, belligerent, it invades and conquers whenever it can. It is not a religion of peace - except of peace imposed by Muslims.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 27^th, 2012 at 6:01am:



The luckiest Palestinians are the ones living in Israel.

The ones in Muslim countries are indeed treated like dirt by their... er... brothers. It is far easier for a palestinian to become a subject of her Britannic majesty in Britain, Canada or Australia than to become a subject of the kings of Jordan or Araby or any of the Muslim republics.

SO the inhumanities are at the hands of their fellow Muslims.