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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58640 Here Gender:	Re: Why should Mr Abbott allow a conscience vote? Reply #15 - Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 8:09pm [quote author=5A5643434E370 He promised to never implement a GST under any government he led. He said there were no planned changes to IR before the election and then introduced workchoices. He went to an election insisting that children were thrown overboard and after the election they weren’t.
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Re: Why should Mr Abbott allow a conscience vote?
Reply #16 - Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 8:18pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 8:09pm:

[quote author=5A5643434E370 He promised to never implement a GST under any government he led.

He said there were no planned changes to IR before the election and then introduced workchoices.

He went to an election insisting that children were thrown overboard and after the election they weren’t.

Oh FFS will you get another barrow to push as this one has been around the block that often it's wheel is like one on a shopping trolley.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95921 Gender:	Re: Why should Mr Abbott allow a conscience vote? Reply #17 - Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 8:26pm Matty, these people are hideous. We know that Mr Abbott is the real democrat. It's Juliar that's the fake.
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Re: Why should Mr Abbott allow a conscience vote?
Reply #18 - Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 8:30pm

matty wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 7:57pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 2:04pm:

matty wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 1:48pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 11:17am:

matty wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 10:06am:

Why should he disregard democracy, which he would be doing if he did allow a conscience vote?

Your "Mr" Howard disregarded democracy on at least FOUR occasions during his time as PM

Including on abortion drug RU486, euthanasia and cloning bills

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/cib/2002-03/03cib01.htm#table2

Please explain.

To an ADULT - with a rudimentary understanding of the Westminster system - it's quite self explanatory

( ... ask your teacher)

Did mr Howard ever go to an electio promising something (or a lack of something) and then reneged?

LOL !

That's all been WELL documented ...

http://www.awu.net.au/109589607626152_5.html?H%7C19%7C109589607626152%7C16505691...

But don't fret
ALL politicians do it
I don't even call it "lieing"

Like Gillard's carbon pricing, Howard ALSO had the need to alter elected on policy as situations altered

This is why his advisors created the term "non core" or "aspirational" policy

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Re: Why should Mr Abbott allow a conscience vote?
Reply #19 - Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 8:41pm

LIBERAL leader Tony Abbott told senior colleagues last year he would allow MPs a free vote on same-sex marriage legislation -- but then changed his mind.

The Australian has learnt that in the aftermath of the Labor Party conference decision to back a conscience vote on same-sex marriage, Mr Abbott supported a similar position in the Coalition.

Sources said he later changed his position, telling Coalition MPs they were voted in on a platform of opposing same-sex marriage, and accused the Prime Minister of breaking her own commitments on the matter.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/tony-abbotts-swing-on-same-sex-...

He thought it was a good idea until Labor agreed to allow a concience vote as well......then reality dawned on the Mad Monk and he realised gays might actually get the right to marry eachother if he allowed a concience vote.....What a flake Abbott is considering what he told the gay community to soften his image about gays!!!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-03-25/abbott-seeks-to-mend-bridges-on-gay-radio/...

Mr Abbott, who once trained in the seminary, says while he was brought up traditionally, he strives to take people as he finds them and is in favour of gay relationships being celebrated and recognised.

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Re: Why should Mr Abbott allow a conscience vote?
Reply #20 - Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 9:08pm

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 8:02pm:

matty wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 10:06am:

Why should he disregard democracy, which he would be doing if he did allow a conscience vote? I know that the ALP continuously undermine and disregrd democracy, but that's no reason to think that the Coalition should as well.

Can you explain how it undermines democracy to allow elected representatives to vote how they see fit?

Because the Coalition MPs were elected under a platform of no change to the marriage act.

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Reply #21 - Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 9:08pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 8:09pm:

[quote author=5A5643434E370 He promised to never implement a GST under any government he led.

He said there were no planned changes to IR before the election and then introduced workchoices.

He went to an election insisting that children were thrown overboard and after the election they weren’t.

We've been over this so many times. It's not my fault that you're too stupid to see the difference.

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Re: Why should Mr Abbott allow a conscience vote?
Reply #22 - Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 9:10pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 8:30pm:

matty wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 7:57pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 2:04pm:

matty wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 1:48pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 11:17am:

matty wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 10:06am:

Why should he disregard democracy, which he would be doing if he did allow a conscience vote?

Your "Mr" Howard disregarded democracy on at least FOUR occasions during his time as PM

Including on abortion drug RU486, euthanasia and cloning bills

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/cib/2002-03/03cib01.htm#table2

Please explain.

To an ADULT - with a rudimentary understanding of the Westminster system - it's quite self explanatory

( ... ask your teacher)

Did mr Howard ever go to an electio promising something (or a lack of something) and then reneged?

LOL !

That's all been WELL documented ...

http://www.awu.net.au/109589607626152_5.html?H%7C19%7C109589607626152%7C16505691...

But don't fret
ALL politicians do it
I don't even call it "lieing"

Like Gillard's carbon pricing, Howard ALSO had the need to alter elected on policy as situations altered

This is why his advisors created the term "non core" or "aspirational" policy

Any policy on which he reneged? The best that the left have is the GST, which has been explained time and time again. He took it straight to a new election when he changed his mind.

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BILL SHORTEN WILL NEVER BE PM!!!!

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buzzanddidj

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Re: Why should Mr Abbott allow a conscience vote?
Reply #23 - Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 10:03pm

matty wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 9:10pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 8:30pm:

matty wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 7:57pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 2:04pm:

matty wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 1:48pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 11:17am:

matty wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 10:06am:

Why should he disregard democracy, which he would be doing if he did allow a conscience vote?

Your "Mr" Howard disregarded democracy on at least FOUR occasions during his time as PM

Including on abortion drug RU486, euthanasia and cloning bills

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/cib/2002-03/03cib01.htm#table2

Please explain.

To an ADULT - with a rudimentary understanding of the Westminster system - it's quite self explanatory

( ... ask your teacher)

Did mr Howard ever go to an electio promising something (or a lack of something) and then reneged?

LOL !

That's all been WELL documented ...

http://www.awu.net.au/109589607626152_5.html?H%7C19%7C109589607626152%7C16505691...

But don't fret
ALL politicians do it
I don't even call it "lieing"

Like Gillard's carbon pricing, Howard ALSO had the need to alter elected on policy as situations altered

This is why his advisors created the term "non core" or "aspirational" policy

Any policy on which he reneged? The best that the left have is the GST, which has been explained time and time again. He took it straight to a new election when he changed his mind.

Oh COME ON !
Pick a number
ANY number

Quote:

John Howard Lie #10

Journalist: "Will the number of pages in the Tax Act be reduced by the introduction of a GST?"

Prime Minister: "Yes it will" - John Howard, interview Alan Jones Radio 2UE, 14 August 1998

The Truth:

". . . the Tax Act has grown from 3,000 to over 9,000 pages and an additional 2.5 million words have been inserted into the Tax Act, since 1 July 2000. Apart from these overwhelming changes foisted onto small businesses, we now have over 2 million businesses registered under the GST, compared to less than 17,000 under the former sales tax regime."
- National Tax & Accountants' Association, 15 August 2002

http://www.awu.net.au/109589607626152_5.html?H%7C19%7C109589607626152%7C16505691...

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