Jan wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 4:13pm:



Is that right ?    


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That is not my experience.

Angels can be our 'guardians' and spirit 'guides', in dreams.

I believe that angels can, and do, manifest themselves in this world, but i have never seen an angel in this world, while awake, in my body.

But i often encounter angels within my dreams.

And those angels have a visible, bodily 'form', and they can speak to me, one on one.

And it can be an exhilarating experience, when you have a waking dream [i.e. your body is asleep, you are dreaming, and you wake up, in your dream], and you are having a conversation with an angel!

But, it has been some years, since my last such, 'direct', 'waking encounter' with a 'guiding' angel, within a dream.

But i dream often, and i often will recognise 'incognito' angels within my dreams.

What do i mean by 'incognito' angels ?



When awake, in our bodies, some people drink alcohol, one reason why they drink, is so as to break down their inhibitions.

But in the dream state we will often 'naturally' act in an uninhibited way.

And it has been my experience that in a [in my] dreams, an angel will sometimes present themselves as a 'character' in a dream, and sometimes an angel will act as an 'agent provocateur' within the dream.

Not to do us harm, but [i believe that] they do this simply to 'draw us out', SO THAT >> WE << CAN SEE, WHO WE REALLY ARE.

i.e.
The things [the actions] which we are prepared to do within our dream scenarios, can reveal to us 'where we stand', spiritually, morally.




If you have bad dreams, imo, you need to confront the 'contents' of your dreams.

IMO, bad dreams are a warning [to us], that our real life, is in some way, 'wrong'.

What's that you say?

You don't want to confront the 'wrong-ness' in your life ?

OK, then continue to have the bad dreams!



Personally, i don't experience bad dreams.

I can remember having one disturbing ['challenging'] dream about 18 months ago, but before that i can't remember when i last had a bad dream.

I almost always have pleasant dreams.

And i often have very interesting dreams.



I have even had [2010-Jan-31] a waking dream, where i encountered a very 'demonstrative' demon.

I 'awoke' in my dream, and the demon was trying his hardest to frighten me.  [<--- In my dream, i recognised that that was his primary 'objective'. And i was NOT frightened at all. Why not? Because i was lucid.]

I called out to God.

The demon instantly disappeared.



Job 7:13
When I say, My bed shall comfort me, my couch shall ease my complaint;
14  Then thou scarest me with dreams, and terrifiest me through visions:
15  So that my soul chooseth strangling, and death rather than my life.


Job 33:14
For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.
15  In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;
16  Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,
17  That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.


Psalms 73:16
When I thought to know this, it was too painful for me;
17  Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end.
18  Surely thou didst set them in slippery places: thou castedst them down into destruction.
19  How are they brought into desolation, as in a moment! they are utterly consumed with terrors.
20  As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image.

Jan wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 4:13pm:



Our freewill in this life gives us the opportunity to;
1/ make choices,
2/ make mistakes [through those choices],
3/ [subsequently] recognise our mistakes [as, mistakes!],
4/ [subsequently, the opportunity] change the way we choose, 'next time'.


Biblically, the end of that process is called, repentance.



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You said;

"The true God does not judge,..."

Not true [imo].



In my experience, if God does not punish us, that is because we are not considered to be 'child material'.

And imo, such people live their lives oblivious of God [and a spiritual realm].

And imo, God seems to have 'cast off' these people.
.....[perhaps because their spirit [the spirit within them] is TOO 'rebellious' and proud ???? ]

And imo, God [usually, often] does not overtly punish these people for the wickedness they do in their lives.
....coz, my guess is, that their fate will be, as a spiritual smudge on God's 'windscreen'.


Psalms 73:6
Therefore pride compasseth them about as a chain; violence covereth them as a garment.
7  Their eyes stand out with fatness: they have more than heart could wish.
8  They are corrupt, and speak wickedly concerning oppression: they speak loftily.
9  They set their mouth against the heavens, and their tongue walketh through the earth.
10  Therefore his people return hither: and waters of a full cup are wrung out to them.
11  And they say, How doth God know? and is there knowledge in the most High?
12  Behold, these are the ungodly, who prosper in the world; they increase in riches.


Psalms 37:7
Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.


Psalms 5:4
....thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.




Whereas, if you are 'child material' [in God's eyes], then God [the spirit] will 'monitor' your actions [your choices], and when you make a bad choice, he will chastise you, in an effort to bring you back to the correct path.



Jeremiah 18:1
The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
2  Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words.
3  Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.
4  And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
5  Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
6  O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.



Romans 9:19
Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20  Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21  Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22  What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23  And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24  Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?



Hebrews 12:5
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6  For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7  If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8  But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9  Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10  For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11  Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.


Proverbs 15:10
Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.


Proverbs 3:11
My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:
12  For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

It's good that you don't have bad dreams, Yadda. I rarely have them now, but I had a lot when I was a child and young adult.


About angels or spirit guides- I was at a guided meditation and healing gathering when I was about 19 and my concentration kept being broken by this woman staring at me from across the circle. At the ended of the guided part of the meditation, you're often given time to 'wander' and when it was over we all spoke about our experience. The woman who had been staring pointed right at me and said that she could see a woman standing behind me to my left who looked like me but older. She said she was giving off a very loving and protective vibe, but it creeped me out nonetheless. I thought perhaps the woman in the circle was a nut, but apparently she was a well respected member of that community.

I never went back 

Anyway, I was adopted so I wondered briefly if it had something to do with my birth mother, but I met her a couple of years later and after seeing her I know it didn't 

Jan wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 1:39pm:





Jan,

What are you?

Irrational?

Or, a contradictory idiot?

Or, all of the above ?



You profess that you abhor the control [manipulation] of mankind, by organised religion [causing men to surrender their souls to the control of [other] men] ???

Jan wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 4:13pm:


Men use 'religion' to control other men.  [<--- Yes, they do!]

But then you suggest that it is OK if i surrender my soul, to the control of another man, because he/she is different type of flawed man/woman [i.e. a psychiatrist] ???

Because he/she is a 'non-religious' flawed man/woman.

Bizarre logic, imo.




So, you are proposing that it is OK, to surrender our personal 'sovereignty' to others, when that other 'authority' is of a non-religious 'nature' ???

That, is what you are proposing.

You are proposing, that [some] individuals can not, and should not be responsible, for their own personal 'sovereignty'.

Yes, you are, an IDIOT! , imo.

And you are promoting a contradictory, and a bizarre logic, imo.




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Jan,

So you trust the integrity of [some] men, particularly, the integrity of psychiatrists ???


Jan,

Look at teh state of the world, i.e. look at the state of human political affairs around the world, today.

It is the 'wisdom' of men [just like 'rational' psychiatrists !! ] that has brought us to where we are today.

[To my eyes, almost all men and women are irrational, and mad [insane]. And for me, that madness/insanity 'manifests' most clearly, in our 'collective' unwillingness to accept responsibility for the consequences of our own choices.]

But, Yadda, should see a psychiatrist ?         




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I posted this thread in the 'Fringe' board.

I am not ashamed of my views being termed 'fringe', or of myself being categorised as a 'whacko', .......by normal people.

I know that i am not 'normal', i know that i am not 'mainstream',
......and i know that i am on the 'fringe' of humanity.

Thank God!             






Jan,

And likewise, i am happy for people with views such as those which you exhibit, to be categorised as 'normal'.      


'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0




Dictionary;
contradictory = = mutually opposed or inconsistent. containing inconsistent elements.


Dictionary;
idiot = =
1 informal a stupid person.
2 Medicine, archaic a mentally handicapped person.


Dictionary;
exhibit = =
1 publicly display (an item) in an art gallery or museum.
2 manifest one’s possession of (a quality).  show as a sign or symptom.



And in answer to your question, i do not use any 'recreational' drugs, except alcohol.



Yadda, one of those who is not normal .




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2 Timothy 3:1
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;


Matthew 24:37
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


Genesis 6:5
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
.....
11  The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

Yadda wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

That's what I meant about you Yadda! You don't know HOW to read mans word (that's ALL 'man' ie men and women, today and yesterday).

You trust WHAT is written without thought to it's true meaning ... do you understand the word "facetious"? Because that was my meaning about a psychiatrist.

I have no more trust (or faith) in psychatry than I do in the bible, because the SAME people invented BOTH. "YOU QUOTE the bible SO OFTEN it has become part of your thought process. Try thinking for your 'self', and work out what is really going on in THIS world .. The word 'bible' for instance is from the Greek word 'biblos', which means "A BOOK, made of papyrus" ... Not THE book of G-d. That one will never BE written.

Consider this: If man wrote the bible and made certain predictions about what would happen in todays world, and those SAME men were a specific and separate group who passed their knowledge and their METHODS down through the centuries to their own 'bretheren', and sent devotees to become 'fishers of MEN' (to become part of "the conspiracy"), is it not logical to think they are the very same people who are in control today (ie Globalists), and able to make their 'biblical' 'Predictions come to fruition?

I thought you would get the irony of my facetiousness.

I am who I say I am, and I love ALL of mankind... I DON'T however think of people who write about G-d's word, and changing the 'order' of our Creator, as being part of 'man-kind'

PPS The same men who are the decenants of the writers of the bible (biblos), WRITE the bible of today, ie. News PAPERS (papyrus) and every other form of "media" where you get your hatred from ... try 'research' from INDEPENDANT sources, it's far more reliable.

Yadda wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:


You still can't read my words with comprehension, "..people who write about G-d's word, and changing the 'order' of our Creator"

Is an OBVIOUS reference to the writers of the 'bible' ie the zionists who ARE changing 'the ORDER' of our Creator ... Which should be obvious if you read (with comprehension) my words that I wrote previously ... I don't change my meanings willy nilly with each post as you do.

I treat and think of people as I find them, regardless of their religion or their creed, provided they are honest, thoughtful, have a love of ALL man-kind, and don't try to 'convert', or 'distort' anothers intellectual beliefs, (debate is good, distortion is hypocrasy, which you use constantly).

And YES it IS easy to murder, when you don't see man-kind as human beings ... Try reading the Talmud, the most holy of 'books' of the Zionist Jews.

In one volume of the Talmud, Gentiles (non- jews) are called GOYIM (Plural of Goy) which translates to "Beasts" (of the field) ie cattle, sheep, pigs, donkeys, goats etc. Guess that's where the Muslims got their insults from, because the Jews passed on their Talmudic oral (laws) about their views on 'sub-humans' (Gentiles) before the Muslims got their Q'ran.

Google is owned and run by Zionists.

Here's some insight into the Jewish perceptions from a Non-practicing Jew, Professor Israel Shahak: 

"In particular, Professor Shahak is concerned about the behavior of those of his race who adhere to Judaism. He is not one of these himself, and so he is able to look with some degree of objectivity at the mixture of superstition, Jewish chauvinism, and hatred of non-Jews which makes up the Jewish religion and its sacred writings. He deplores traditional Jewish teachings, not only because of the danger that some new Martin Luther will come along and spill the beans to the Gentiles, but because of the spiritually debilitating effect these teachings have had on the Jews themselves. Of the world of medieval Jewry in Europe, the world of the ghetto and the shtetl which modern Jewish writers refer to in euphoric tones as a world of quaint tradition and piety, Shahak says: "It was a world sunk in the most abject superstition, fanaticism, and ignorance . . . ."

He cites a number of specific instances of the ways in which Jewish religious authorities have kept their flocks under control. In general, the rabbis have taught their fellow Jews that their Gentile neighbors are spiritually and morally unclean; that they are subhuman, on a level with the beasts of the field; and that they hate Jews and must be hated in return. Jews are taught that the Christian religion is a religion fit only for animals, and that its founder, Jesus, was the son of a prostitute and is presently immersed in a pit of boiling excrement in hell". Read the whole article here ... http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-genocide-gentilehate.html

COMMENT: The above is in direct contrast to Muslims who hold Jesus in high esteem as one of their "Prophets".

These are the despicable people you "attest" to, you creep!

Jan wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 7:04pm:





Jan,

Perhaps, just perhaps...............just perhaps, it would be simpler.................if you just said, what you really mean ???      

Instead of trying to be 'sophisticated', and 'facetious'.



Jan,

Do you know what my opinion of you is ???

It is that you have been 'hanging around' 'clever' moslems for too long.



If you want people to understand you......

.....then say what you mean.

duh!




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How old are you Jan ?

Are you old enough to get married ?

Or are you only 13 years old ?

If you are only 13 years old, then i apologise to you Jan, for assuming that you were an adult.

muso wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 8:43pm:



muso,

Thank you for your concern.

But i don't like this life, particularly.

I see my body, only as a 'prison' [which i must endure, for a time].

I see my time here [in this physical body] as a burden, but one that i can bear.

Don't get me wrong, i do like where i live, it is a beautiful here, it is a semi-rural area, inland.

And peaceful.



But i don't like what i see, every day, in the world of men.

The wickedness and deceit of man, that i see, the refusal of men to confront truth, it all just appals me.




muso,

The day that this physical body dies, will be a good day,   ...as far as i am concerned.

I want to go 'home'.



Ecclesiastes 7:1
A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth.


Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.