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Re: Three Things About Islam
Reply #15 - Feb 6^th, 2012 at 9:55pm

falah wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 9:09pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 8:17pm:

falah wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 12:40pm:

falah,

You should die of shame.

All praise be to God, and may peace and blessing of God be upon His Messenger Muhammed.

falah,

You are merely uttering a curse upon yourself.

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And, partners with God ?

You have no understanding.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

I suggest that we ask God to curse which ever one of us is on the false religion. Do you agree?

falah,

This is of no consequence.

But go for it.

I have asked God for his protection.

I have a special, personal prayer, and i have asked God to surround me with his light.

And while-soever my God is protecting me, NO DEMON CAN TOUCH ME.

So, go your hardest falah.

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Re: Three Things About Islam
Reply #16 - Feb 6^th, 2012 at 10:00pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 9:55pm:

falah,

This is of no consequence.

But go for it.

I have asked God for his protection.

I have a special, personal prayer, and i have asked God to surround me with his light.

And while-soever my God is protecting me, NO DEMON CAN TOUCH ME.

So, go your hardest falah.

So you have wussed it? Afraid your religion is not true after all?

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Re: Three Things About Islam
Reply #17 - Feb 6^th, 2012 at 10:09pm

falah wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 10:00pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 9:55pm:

falah,

This is of no consequence.

But go for it.

I have asked God for his protection.

I have a special, personal prayer, and i have asked God to surround me with his light.

And while-soever my God is protecting me, NO DEMON CAN TOUCH ME.

So, go your hardest falah.

So you have wussed it? Afraid your religion is not true after all?

LOL

I don't need to curse anyone.

That is not how it works.

That is not what is in my heart.

Rebuking and correction, yes.

But i try to refrain from cursing ppl.

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Re: Three Things About Islam
Reply #18 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:47am

Yadda wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 10:09pm:

falah wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 10:00pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 9:55pm:

falah,

This is of no consequence.

But go for it.

I have asked God for his protection.

I have a special, personal prayer, and i have asked God to surround me with his light.

And while-soever my God is protecting me, NO DEMON CAN TOUCH ME.

So, go your hardest falah.

So you have wussed it? Afraid your religion is not true after all?

LOL

I don't need to curse anyone.

That is not how it works.

That is not what is in my heart.

Rebuking and correction, yes.

But i try to refrain from cursing ppl.

Deep in your heart you know your religion is wrong and you know that God is not on your side.

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Re: Three Things About Islam
Reply #19 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:00pm

falah wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:47am:

Deep in your heart you know your religion is wrong and you know that God is not on your side.

If his religion is wrong would that be a false belief falah?

Is the definition of delusion a "false belief"?

If Islam is the only true religion does that mean those who follow other religions are delusional?

Christians and jews go to the hellfire for following a flawed belief, Allah makes it very clear Islam is the only religion.
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And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam,it will never be accepted of him,and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers.
Source-http://quran.com/3/85

Got any nice verses that contradict 3:85 Falah?

What does sura 4:82 say about contradictions?
Does the fine print in the Quran clearly state it is not from Allah?
http://quran.com/4/82

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Re: Three Things About Islam
Reply #20 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:29pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:00pm:

falah wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:47am:

Deep in your heart you know your religion is wrong and you know that God is not on your side.

If his religion is wrong would that be a false belief falah?

Is the definition of delusion a "false belief"?

If Islam is the only true religion does that mean those who follow other religions are delusional?

Christians and jews go to the hellfire for following a flawed belief, Allah makes it very clear Islam is the only religion.
Quote:

And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam,it will never be accepted of him,and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers.
Source-http://quran.com/3/85

Got any nice verses that contradict 3:85 Falah?

What does sura 4:82 say about contradictions?
Does the fine print in the Quran clearly state it is not from Allah?
http://quran.com/4/82

I don't need to contradict it, because it is the truth. Whoever rejects the monotheism of Islam will go to Hell.

That is basic islamic doctrine, why would I wish to contradict it?

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Re: Three Things About Islam
Reply #21 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:49pm

falah wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:00pm:

falah wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 1:47am:

Deep in your heart you know your religion is wrong and you know that God is not on your side.

If his religion is wrong would that be a false belief falah?

Is the definition of delusion a "false belief"?

If Islam is the only true religion does that mean those who follow other religions are delusional?

Christians and jews go to the hellfire for following a flawed belief, Allah makes it very clear Islam is the only religion.
Quote:

And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam,it will never be accepted of him,and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers.
Source-http://quran.com/3/85

Got any nice verses that contradict 3:85 Falah?

What does sura 4:82 say about contradictions?
Does the fine print in the Quran clearly state it is not from Allah?
http://quran.com/4/82

I don't need to contradict it, because it is the truth. Whoever rejects the monotheism of Islam will go to Hell.

That is basic islamic doctrine, why would I wish to contradict it?

That was easy, thanks, Jackie:

WHatever Mohammed heard in the cave and then remembered enough of it on the way home from the cave, and then whatever his listeners remembered for a couple of decades of what he said when he got home and whatever the scribes understood of what those aging audience members still remembered - is god's unaletarable word, complete and unalterable. Perfect.

Next week you will tell us how to play the flute, no doubt.

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Re: Three Things About Islam
Reply #22 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 4:13pm

All praise is due to God Almighty. May the blessings and peace of God be upon His messenger Muhammed.

Soren wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

WHatever Mohammed heard in the cave

Soren, if you knew anything about islamic history, you would know that only a few lines were revealed in the cave.

Soren wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

and then whatever his listeners remembered for a couple of decades of what he said when he got home and whatever the scribes understood of what those aging audience members still remembered - is god's unaletarable word, complete and unalterable.

We have gone over this before, but you refuse to learn anything.

The Quran was written down in the time of Prophet Muhammed. It was also completely memorised by many people.

That is one of the miracles of the Quran; it is amazingly easy to remember.

For example, there are millions of people in the country of Egypt alone who have memorised the entire Quran. There are 10's of millions who have memorised it throughout the world - unlike any other book.

The fact that many people memorised it entirely in the lifetime of prophet Muhammed ensured that it could not be corrupted - each memoriser is a an evidence against the others. If it were corrupted, there would be different versions - yet there is only one version.

Anyway, the Quran was written down in the lifetime of the Prophet - contrary to what you suggest. In fact, Prophet Muhammed actually encouraged people to learn to read and write, and freed prisoners of war who taught Muslims how to read and write.

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Re: Three Things About Islam
Reply #23 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 7:16pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 9:38pm:

And, partners with God ?

You have no understanding.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

So why do you reject this part of your book, and instead believe in 3, when your book doesn't even state that? Yes it's good you quote your book, now actually adhere to it.

Your book clearly and unambiguously states that God is 1. If your religion had any consistency or logic or sense to it, then you'd need an equally clear and unambiguous verse to override this, as you seem to think it is overridden. Yet we both know that no such verse exists. Christians themselves know full well their belief in trinity is based purely on the dogma of the Nicene creed, and has no clear scriptural basis at all. But when your belief is about stupefying the heart into "just believing" then such facts are rarely investigated.

Yadda wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 9:38pm:

I suggest that we ask God to curse which ever one of us is on the false religion. Do you agree?

The only reason you would refuse to do this Yadda is because you do know deep down you are on falsehood. That at least means there's some hope for you somewhere down the line. It might just eat away at you, and prompt you to ponder about things...

Yadda wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 9:38pm:

I could explain the 'trinity' to you, but, you are a moslem [.......i.e. there is no capacity for understanding anything spiritual].

And MY explanation would not help you.

I don't think you can even explain it to yourself. Most Christians cannot. Hence the "mystery of the trinity" and "Just believe and Jesus will open your heart!!" and all the other mantras used to convince Christians to believe the things they do.

Yadda wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 9:38pm:

Listen to me carefully;

What you have to say is;

"Dear father, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.....[and then plead you case]."

.....that is the correct 'phone #'

I bear witness that the God of Abraham, of Ishmael, of Isaac, of Jacob and of the tribes of Israel is the only one and true God, and I call on him to guide you away from your cult of demi-god worship and paying homage to a particular ethnicity, and instead to bring you to the worship of him alone.

The one who worships demons is the one who has strayed from the pure monotheism of all the patriarchs. You are a follower of the false prophet Saul of Tarsus who called you to worship other than God, not of the pure unadulterated religion of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes of Israel.

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Re: Three Things About Islam
Reply #24 - Feb 7^th, 2012 at 11:45pm

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 7:16pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 9:38pm:

I suggest that we ask God to curse which ever one of us is on the false religion. Do you agree?

The only reason you would refuse to do this Yadda is because you do know deep down you are on falsehood. That at least means there's some hope for you somewhere down the line. It might just eat away at you, and prompt you to ponder about things...

Abu,
I am just correcting your attribution.....

falah wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 9:09pm:

I suggest that we ask God to curse which ever one of us is on the false religion. Do you agree?

And regards your comment.....

"The only reason you would refuse to do this Yadda is because you do know deep down you are on falsehood."

Abu,

I told falah, if he wishes to curse me.....

"....go your hardest falah."

...and we will see who the curse comes down upon.

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Reply #25 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:27am

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 7:16pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 9:38pm:

And, partners with God ?

You have no understanding.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

So why do you reject this part of your book, and instead believe in 3,

when your book doesn't even state that? Yes it's good you quote your book, now actually adhere to it.

Abu,
What do i believe ?

You seem to be saying that i believe 'in three' gods?

Is that what you insist ?

Clearly Abu, you know my mind, even better than i do.
/sarc off

"Yadda believes in 3 gods. I, Abu, said so. And i only say things which are true,.......because i am a good moslem."

abu_rashid

/sarc off

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 7:16pm:

Your book clearly and unambiguously states that God is 1. If your religion had any consistency or logic or sense to it, then you'd need an equally clear and unambiguous verse to override this, as you seem to think it is overridden. Yet we both know that no such verse exists. Christians themselves know full well their belief in trinity is based purely on the dogma of the Nicene creed, and has no clear scriptural basis at all. But when your belief is about stupefying the heart into "just believing" then such facts are rarely investigated.

Yadda wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 9:38pm:

I could explain the 'trinity' to you, but, you are a moslem [.......i.e. there is no capacity for understanding anything spiritual].

And MY explanation would not help you.

I don't think you can even explain it to yourself.

Most Christians cannot. Hence the "mystery of the trinity" and "Just believe and Jesus will open your heart!!" and all the other mantras used to convince Christians to believe the things they do.

Abu,

Who are 'the three' gods, which i believe in ??? [<---- which YOU claim, i believe in.]

The Father.
The Son.
....and the Holy Spirit.
???

Abu,
What did Jesus say about the nature of 'God' ???

John 4:24
God is a Spirit:...

Abu,
So tell me, is God, a spirit?

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Abu,

A simple analogy, straight from God.

Are you any good at chemistry ???

Apart from being two atoms of hydrogen, and one atom of oxygen,
.....what is H2O Abu ???

Abu,

If H2O is water....

Does H2O, cease to be H2O when it is in a gaseous form, all around us, in the air ?

And does H2O, cease to be H2O when it is ice ?

So, we have H2O taking three 'forms'.

Which one is the real, the 'valid', H2O Abu ?

Abu,

What you, and all moslems are saying, are insisting, is that God, cannot take on the form of a man [e.g. Jesus, the man].

You are mistaken.

You are lost, overcome, in the falsehood of ISLAM, Abu.

Abu said....

Quote:

"....it's good you quote your book, now actually adhere to it."

Abu,

You are the expert of the trinity [you even have the power to know what i believe].
/sarc off

Scripture says that >> God << appeared to Abraham, as a man.

Tell me Abu, was it God the Father, or was it God the Son, that appeared to Abraham ???

"And the LORD appeared unto him [Abraham] in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him:"

Genesis 18

Genesis 18 also declares that God ate Abraham's food, and that Abraham's water washed God's feet.

But moslems insist that God could never do that [take human form, and eat food].

And ISLAM must be correct, right Abu ?

2 Timothy 3:1
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Three Things About Islam
Reply #26 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 6:35am

Yadda wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 11:45pm:

Abu,
I am just correcting your attribution.....

It should've been like this. Of course I know you'd never make such a suggestion, as you know deep down you're on falsehood.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 7:16pm:

falah wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 9:09pm:

I suggest that we ask God to curse which ever one of us is on the false religion. Do you agree?

Yadda wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 11:45pm:

And regards your comment.....

"The only reason you would refuse to do this Yadda is because you do know deep down you are on falsehood."

Abu,

I told falah, if he wishes to curse me.....

"....go your hardest falah."

...and we will see who the curse comes down upon.

Are you afraid of cursing yourself?

Yadda wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:27am:

Abu,
What do i believe ?

You seem to be saying that i believe 'in three' gods?

Is that what you insist ?

Quite clearly you do, as you later go on to use all the usual metaphysical mumbo jumbo about the 3 states of matter to try and justify it. You do not cease in comparing your Creator to that which he created, because you are an idolator.

Yadda wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:27am:

Who are 'the three' gods, which i believe in ??? [<---- which YOU claim, i believe in.]

The Father.
The Son.
....and the Holy Spirit.
???

Abu,
What did Jesus say about the nature of 'God' ???

John 4:24
God is a Spirit:...

Abu,
So tell me, is God, a spirit?

The holy spirit is a servant of God, as is Jesus (pbuh). They are not God and worshipping them as God or "components of God" is polytheism.

If you look at the references to "holy spirit" (ie. ruh ha-qodesh) in the OT, you'll find this is indeed the case.

Even this quote you bring from the NT says God is "a spirit", doesn't say the Holy Spirit. Again, your fundamental beliefs about God are all based on conjecture and ambiguous passages, pushing aside the clear and unambiguous passages which call you to worship the one true God.

Yadda wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:27am:

A simple analogy, straight from God.

Are you any good at chemistry ???

Apart from being two atoms of hydrogen, and one atom of oxygen,
.....what is H2O Abu ???

Abu,

If H2O is water....

Does H2O, cease to be H2O when it is in a gaseous form, all around us, in the air ?

And does H2O, cease to be H2O when it is ice ?

So, we have H2O taking three 'forms'.

Which one is the real, the 'valid', H2O Abu ?

How is this analogy from God? Rather it is from your own mind, or that of some preacher that you heard it from (as it is an analogy that's been around for some time now).

You have absolutely no shame in making up whatever you like about God.

Yadda wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:27am:

What you, and all moslems are saying, are insisting, is that God, cannot take on the form of a man [e.g. Jesus, the man].

You are mistaken.

You are lost, overcome, in the falsehood of ISLAM, Abu.

This kind of argument is a slippery slope into blasphemy. One might then ask can God become a cow or Elephant as the Hindus claim? It's not so much a matter of can, it's more a matter of what befits his majesty. God is not part of his own creation. Christians often try to use this false argument that monotheists are "limiting" God by stating he did not become a man, but in fact you are the one limiting him, by suggesting he would need to become part of his creation in order to understand and interact with it. The entire Christian doctrine is based upon this idea that God couldn't get close to his creation, so he had to become a man to do so.

Yadda wrote on Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:27am:

Scripture says that >> God << appeared to Abraham, as a man.

Tell me Abu, was it God the Father, or was it God the Son, that appeared to Abraham ???

"And the LORD appeared unto him [Abraham] in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him:"
Genesis 18

Genesis 18 also declares that God ate Abraham's food, and that Abraham's water washed God's feet.

But moslems insist that God could never do that [take human form, and eat food].

And ISLAM must be correct, right Abu ?

Well the OT is also not free from polytheistic elements as well, it also talks about sons of God having intercourse with women etc. (as falah mentioned). Islam teaches both Jews and Christians went stray and corrupted their books. In fact the OT is riddled with corruptions and modifications. Personally I think the entire "second story" that's been inserted into the OT (ie. the one which uses Yahweh instead of Eloah) was completely fabricated.

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Reply #27 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:11pm

Abu,

Before getting online this morning, i prayed.

"Is it worth my persevering with Abu ?
He continues to adamantly reject your spirit LORD."

Do you know what 'came back' Abu ?

"Donkey's are beasts. They don't receive messages from men. They are beasts which carry burdens, for others."

i.e.
"The message you give to 'him', is not for him [Abu]."

Yadda wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:56pm:

Just keep saying no, Abu.

Just keep saying you can't 'see it', Abu.

Just keep insisting that Allah, is the name of your God. [.......I BELIEVE YOU Abu !!!!]

LOL

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Abu,

On a battlefield, why do men raise a flag, a standard Abu ?

Is it not, so as to rally the respective troops, to the standard being flown ?

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Reply #28 - Feb 8^th, 2012 at 12:25pm

falah wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 4:13pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 7^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

and then whatever his listeners remembered for a couple of decades of what he said when he got home and whatever the scribes understood of what those aging audience members still remembered - is god's unaletarable word, complete and unalterable.

We have gone over this before, but you refuse to learn anything.

The Quran was written down in the time of Prophet Muhammed.

It was not.

There were scraps of it all over the place. As a single book, it did not exist until the genius Caliph Whatsis decided to put it all into a book, chapters arranged by length (!). What a great idea! Never mind chronological order, how about sorting by length! Like cdrpets in the bazaar!
Yeay! Good one! That will make it clear and easy to follow, what with abrogations and afterthoughts and contradictions. Might as well jumble it all up.

Done!

Muslim version of the story:
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The Holy Quran (also written as Koran) is the eternal and literal word of God. Prophet Muhammad ( an Arab and a descendant of Abraham) received these divine revelations (The Holy Quran) over a period of 23 years in the seventh century of the Common Era (C.E.). Each revelation was written down by the Prophet's scribes according to the Prophet's instructions. The current order and organization into the 114 chapters (surahs) of the entire revelations were therefore given to us by the Prophet himself. Additionally, the Prophet and many fellow Muslims (sahabah) had committed the entire Quran to memory. The practice of memorizing the whole Quran continued throughout the centuries. There are thousands of such Muslims, known as Huffaz, usually one for each Mosque in Muslim countries. To learn more on this, please read Preservation of the Quran.

[url]http://www.islam101.com/quran/index.htm

The non-propaganda version of what happened (ie the truth):
Quote:

In the 19th century the Danish scholar Theodor Nöldeke, in his influential Geschichte des Qorans (1860; “History of the Qurʾān”), largely rejected the Islamic understanding of the process whereby the text of the Qurʾān was compiled. Since then others, such as I. Goldziher, Richard Bell, and Jeffrey and W.M. Watt, have challenged the traditional Islamic perspective, while more recently John Wansbrough and John Burton have completely rejected pious traditions concerning the compilation of the Qurʾān.

Encyclopedia Britannica (and everywhere else where Muslims are not able to cut your tongue out for challenging their version)

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