It's hard to see the mortality rate of childbirth in such counties, when their populations are doing exceptionally well without western medical intervention of putting them on their backs and giving them drugs and stomach scars.

The resident chimp nit picker Dnarever is here folks.
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Dnarever wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 9:28pm:


Only a mere 12 years ago… but still a relevant topic today… and something I learnt why so many are having C-sections.
Yet even longer time ago, over 43 years ago… I gave birth….
So this topic may be 12 years old… but it has still brought me up to speed…
I’m still quite stunned by the moving away from natural births.
My first born was a forceps delivery (a keilland rotation) because bubby was facing the wrong way.
Could barely walk for a week after!
I was wondering about this topic today… if I had a c-section, would it have been better for me and bubby, because I was in labour a long 19 hours.
All the pain was in my back, not the front.
Yeah… now I’m thinking… walk-in casually to have a Caesar … no labour pains or contractions, no forceps, no episiotomy…no stressed baby from long hours in labour… my mind boggles now!
I’m glad this topic was brought up.

I was also remembering this lovely midwife wanting me to take a vitamin and some water as I must’ve looked exhausted, not eating or drinking and in constant pain…
I honestly didn’t feel like eating… the sandwiches came in and I just couldn’t.
When I finally took her vitamin tablet… after 5 minutes I spewed 
Midwife said “so much for the vitamins”
Now I’m usually one that won’t pass up lunch etc ever… but it was as if I was another person in that hospital ward 

I’m certain some of the guys my era remember their children’s births.
Going back less than a decade my time… fathers were not even allowed to be present while their wife gave birth.

Sophia wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2024 at 9:47pm:


Mum took three days to give birth to me. Told the stupid midwife I had not turned around and would be a breech birth. Idiot didn’t listen.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 13^th, 2025 at 5:20pm:

No way they would let labour go that long now….even with my first, I was 19 hours but they attached this plank with syringe into my arm to hasten the labour and wow was it intense!
They said it may have gone on for 30 hours or more and cause distress for baby…and yes, he was breach and had to be turned.

I’m starting to change my mind about natural births… I think it’s easier in this modern time to do Caesar.
Less pain/fuss etc

Laying on your back. Legs up and wide.
Prolongs the agony of the baby rubbing against the spine.
The exhaustive need to push more, rather than allow gravity to assist, also prolongs the birth and leads to more 'complications'.

I don't know where and when in European history that giving birth on one's back, came into being?
I do know that American media has been a major perpetrator in promoting this position as normal and best.
If this position became the norm in Europe into America these past 300 years or so. It could also explain the situation of mothers dying in the birth process, from the sheer exhaustive process.
Take into effect the deformation of female bodies due to the nasty corset for fashion reasons, even when pregnant. Corsets were sometimes used to kill the baby (early abortion).

The back position can be factually proved as the worst position to give birth... hence why Caesarian has evolved from it like a poor compensation.