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Reply #15 - Feb 8th, 2012 at 3:16pm
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 8th, 2012 at 3:14pm:
I think Ajax is the rare breed that understands climate change is man made, but is looking to debate the best strategy to fight it.
A very rare, and very worthwhile thing to do.

Which means all you deniers who polute the world with your rubbish can GTFO of this thread.
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How about you gullible scare mongers GTFO of this thread.
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Reply #16 - Feb 8th, 2012 at 3:57pm
 
Why is it that the biggest factor in CO2 consumption is the elephant in the room no government will talk about.

Population growth.
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Reply #17 - Feb 8th, 2012 at 4:25pm
 
The only way a carbon tax makes sense is if we get to put a big glass dome over Australia and keep our atmosphere seperate.
This is because global emmissions of CO2 will continue to increase.
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Does anyone see the problem?
This makes a carbon tax in Australia in its application to a global CO2 problem futile...of course the government rakes in revenue. The reason the Non-OECD countries emmissions are increasing is because, in part, we, as in Australia, cannot sell them coal quick enough and are increasing our coal production to meet this need... These countries also need this coal to drive the industries that the Australian government has driven offshore...although we may have no car industry so it will be in an imported one.
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Reply #18 - Feb 8th, 2012 at 4:44pm
 
Absolutely tongueman, but they wont do anything until we do something.

And we should be the first to move because we've been doing it (co2 release) for far longer, and far more per person.

If they follow, we'll be ok.   If they dont, we're all f-ked, worrying about a few dollars now will be the least of your worries.

Facts are, they will follow. A few extreme climate events will put the wind up them. At some point in time when the climate is so bad, they cant continue to say No. By setting the framework now, we will be well prepared, and the rapid response the world does do will have minimal impact on us.
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Reply #19 - Feb 8th, 2012 at 5:28pm
 
Hi red baron thanks dude and i wholeheartedly agree with you.

Sorry doctor jolly, anything that relies on the UN, the world bank and wall street to clean up the Earth is doomed to fail, problem is we are going to be sending out billions of dollars to these foriegn organisations.

How could the above have cleaning the Earth up as a top priority? just wont happen my friend.
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Reply #20 - Feb 8th, 2012 at 5:38pm
 
Doctor Jolly,

I cannot forget the wholesome image of Bob Brown and his latest partner taking a photo opportunity outside his little retreat in Tasmania.

It was winter and in the background the fire stack of Brown's chimney was pouring it out.

Kind of says a lot doesn't it? You are claiming to be a non polluter are you?

Brother - wish I was back my surveillance days with you as the target. Would love to do a 24/7 surveillance on what you get up to with your clean as nappy san life style. Bet I could reveal a thing or two.

Its mostly been my experience from a lifetime of them, that the apple never falls far from the tree. e.g. Bob Brown the arch hypocrite with a wood burning heating system going. And an open fireplace to boot.

Like i said it's all bulls..t!
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Reply #21 - Feb 8th, 2012 at 5:49pm
 
Why the carbon tax is a scam.

I cant send the address from where i got this from yet, i have to wait for 12 posts.

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http://www.hotheads.com.au/carbon%20tax%20scam.htm

UN IPCC OFFICIAL ADMITS THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS A SCAM

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is the United Nations international body that assesses the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant for the understanding of the risk of human-induced climate change.

Its reports have been the entire basis on which various Emissions Trading Schemes (ETS) and carbon taxes have been imposed to allegedly stop the planet from heating up.

In recent times, IPCC reports on global warming have been exposed as being falsified and in fact hard data has shown that the planet has actually slightly cooled in the past decade, despite an increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide.

So the "Global Warming" term was abandoned in favour of "Climate Change", allowing the IPCC to hedge its bets as to which way global temperatures were going to move.

The carbon tax imposed by the Gillard Labor government is based on the IPCC data that is so flaky, however many people have wondered about the real reason that this tax was imposed, even though it exposed Gillard as a monumental liar.

Well, the truth about the so-called global warming, climate change, carbon dioxide increase and all the rest of the IPCC data has been exposed as a gigantic scam by none other than a top IPCC official who is right on the inside of this organisation.

In November 2010, German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer stated that climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection. He admitted that the world climate summit in

Cancun in December 2010 was actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources were to be negotiated. Edenhofer brazenly told Germany's NZZ Online that,

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"We redistribute de-facto the world's wealth by climate policy."


If you needed any more evidence that the entire theory of man-made global warming was a scheme to redistribute wealth, the admission from one of the top IPCC people that instigated it is the absolute proof that it is a monstrous scam.

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Edenhofer stated, "But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this.


One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."

Edenhofer was co-chair of the IPCC's Working Group III and was a lead author of the IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report released in 2007 which controversially concluded, "Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations."

As such, Edenhofer is a huge player in advancing this theory, and he has now made it quite clear that this is actually an international economic scheme designed to redistribute wealth.

As Australia's carbon tax is based on this amazing con, it therefore has absolutely no grounds to be imposed.

Every Australian should now use Edenhofer's admission to complain to every sitting Member of Parliament and state to them that if the IPCC climate change findings are a scam for wealth redistribution, then the carbon tax based on those findings must also be a scam.

There is no way that the government can possibly deny it, when the IPCC's own official admits that it is a con-job.
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Reply #22 - Feb 8th, 2012 at 5:50pm
 
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WHY THE PUSH FOR A CARBON TAX

The real reason for this iniquitous carbon tax is that in a world where bankers create and manipulate the money supply and the slow collapse of economic growth in the industrialised world, a new form of trading had to be found.

Globalisation, privatisation and the worldwide finance disasters that required massive bailouts of the bankers who caused them meant that industrialised nations are now essentially bankrupt.

The creation of money without tangible assets to back it has finally wreaked havoc on nations such as the USA that influence the world economy and creditor nations are slowly reducing their intake of debt.

So as the world moves from production to consumption, the emphasis has shifted to the creation of a new economy based on taxing that consumption, firstly by means of creating false pretexts such as man-caused global warming or the very open-ended man-caused climate change, then finding a way to raise money by imposing taxes to combat this bogus problem.

Journalist Richard K Moore has written a fascinating and very detailed analysis of this situation called Prognosis 2012:

Towards a New World Social Order that explains why governments around the world have pushed for emissions trading schemes and carbon taxes, even though they all know that such taxes will not reduce emissions.

This article is available on the Downloads page.

The truth is that it would be counterproductive for emissions that are taxed to be reduced or eliminated, simply because that would reduce or eliminate the revenue. Of course if polluters actually do reduce emissions, the tax rate will rise to compensate for the reduced revenue,

but if polluters manage to actually reduce their emissions to a marked degree, governments that rely on the rakeoff from carbon taxes and emission trading will collapse. So there is absolutely no incentive for anybody to

reduce emissions and the whole scam relies on taxpayers literally paying hefty levies on all goods to ostensibly reduce emissions, but those emissions won't be reduced at all, not as long as governments need them to be there to be taxed.
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Reply #23 - Feb 8th, 2012 at 5:51pm
 
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GILLARD IGNORES THE OBVIOUS SOLUTION

In April 2011, Prime Minister Julia Gillard stated that half the greenhouse gases and pollution in Australia was being emitted by just 50 companies.

So if that were the case, the most obvious way to eradicate half the harmful emissions would be to deal with those 50 companies and legislate to force them to switch from coal-fired energy to gas-fired energy and also monitor their emissions and fine them if they did not ensure that they complied.

This solution would see a huge and very real reduction in all pollution, not just the theoretical 5% reduction in carbon dioxide that Gillard claims will occur with her $11 billion per year tax.

Even if only a 25% reduction in all greenhouse gases was achieved by such a measure, this would be a real achievement, not the bogus reduction of CO2 that Gillard is claiming.

Actually forcing the biggest polluters to stop polluting would ensure a real reduction in greenhouse gas emissions, but of course it would not raise revenue for the government and its quasi-communist ideology of wealth redistribution, which is the whole idea of the CO2 tax.

The problem with a CO2 tax is that it would not stop polluters from emitting CO2, it would merely impose a cost on them for doing so and this cost would merely be passed onto the end-users of their products after the government had reaped the revenue from this tax.

This is why the Gillard Labor government would not countenance any real measures to reduce greenhouse gas pollution, simply because such measures would actually achieve their goals without ripping off the taxpayers and filling government coffers. In fact, with a CO2 tax, the government would have no incentive in reducing CO2 because that would result in a reduction in revenue.

It is the same principle as speed cameras, where a government would lose a fortune if every motorist stopped speeding and the revenue from fines dried up.
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Reply #24 - Feb 8th, 2012 at 5:51pm
 
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"The cost, paid by big polluters, will be passed through to the prices of the goods you buy."

So there is Prime Minister Julia Gillard blatantly admitting on the record that the so-called big polluters won't pay a cent of this CO2 tax, but it will be passed straight onto anybody who buys anything whatsoever, because there is not a single item or service that will not be affected by this tax.

So every time that Gillard states that the big polluters will pay the tax, she is lying.

This serial liar of a Prime Minister has known all along that not one of the alleged polluters will pay anything at all and that's why this tax is such an obvious scam.

If the polluters are not penalised for polluting, then they have no incentive to stop doing this. But of course we all know that CO is not a pollutant anyway, so this merely compounds the massive con-job that Gillard and her regime is trying to perpetrate onto the Australian community.

Why do the Labor Government and the Greens insist that only big business will pay the carbon tax, when their own Climate Change advisor Ross Garnaut openly states that households will ultimately bear the full cost of the tax and the Prime Minister Julia Gillard admits to this too? Does this not prove that the Labor Government and Greens are constantly lying to the Australian people? 

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Reply #25 - Feb 8th, 2012 at 5:57pm
 
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"A carbon tax does not guarantee emissions reductions"
Former Labor Climate Change Minister Penny Wong


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"Australian households will ultimately bear the full cost of the carbon price."
Ross Garnaut, Labor Government Appointee and Author of the Climate Change Review


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"The introduction of a carbon price ahead of effective international action can lead to perverse incentives for such industries to relocate or source production offshore. There is no point in imposing a carbon price domestically which results in emissions and production transferring internationally for no environmental gain."
Australian Climate Change Minister Penny Wong 6 feb 2008


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"There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead."
Julia Gillard


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"No it's not possible that we're bringing in the carbon tax, that is a hysterically inaccurate claim being made by the Coalition."
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Reply #26 - Feb 8th, 2012 at 6:03pm
 
Australia's CO2 contribution

The Earth’s Co2 content is approx 0.0383% by volume

By weight 383 ppm or 0.0582%

Molar mass = 44.0095 g/mole

Mean molar mass air = 28.97 g/mole

0.0383% x [44.0095/28.97] = 0.0582% Co2

Total mean mass of the atmosphere = 5.1480 x 10^18 kg (Wikipedia)

5148,000,000,000,000,000 kg

Total weight of Co2 in the atmosphere

0.0582% x 5148,000,000,000,000,000 = 2,996,136,000,000 kg

Manmade Co2 contribution is 3% the rest is natural.

3% of 2,996,136,000,000 = 89,880,000,000 kg Total manmade Co2 .

Australia contribution to AGW is only 1.5%.

1.5% of 89,880,000,000 kg = 1,348,200,000 kg

1,348,200,000/89,880,000,000 = 0.015% of Total AGW

Yet we will be paying $23/tonne while Europe is paying less than $8/tonne.
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Reply #27 - Feb 8th, 2012 at 6:35pm
 
Hey doctor jolly is that convincing enough for you.
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Reply #28 - Feb 8th, 2012 at 6:36pm
 
Most of the above quotes came from here,

http://www.hotheads.com.au/carbon%20tax%20scam.htm
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