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Reply #30 - Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:18pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 9:45pm:
Every progressive Christian worth his/her/its "pillar of salt" is sure to enjoy the revised story of Moses, whose crusading band of Zionist aggressors ambushed the disenfranchised Egyptian freedom fighters in what became known as the "Red Sea Massacre." Other revised inspirational stories of moral relativism include:

The Organic Garden of Eden
Pharaoh Has Two Mummies
What Happens in Sodom and Gomorrah Stays in Sodom and Gomorrah
Noah Builds Ark to Survive Global Warming
Jonah Saves the Whale
David Appeases Goliath
The Bilingual Writing on the Wall
The Tower of Babel & The Controlled Demolition Theory
Uncle Samson & The NY Times Reporter Delilah
Judas The ACLU Lawyer
Joseph & Mary Celebrate Holiday Season By Donating Fetus To Federal Embryonic Stem Cell Bank
Government Program Feeds The Multitudes with Five "Whole Grain" Loaves And Two Non-Endangered Fishes
http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Progressive_Bible_500.jpg

Truly Soren, when Stephen was giving his speech in Acts 7 he was talking to such as you - people with a form of knowledge of religion, but stiff necked and in open rebellion to the heart of truth, a man of uncircumcised heart with unopened eyes and unhearing ears.  You are a descendant of serpents of that there is little doubt.  Cool
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Reply #31 - Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:28pm
 
Good God, CW. You have been reading people's posts. The Bible too. I'm impressed.
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Reply #32 - Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:34pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:28pm:
Good God, CW. You have been reading people's posts. The Bible too. I'm impressed.

Dont mess with me on the Bible or the concepts and ideas it describes in both cryptic allegorical form and literally because I will eat most people alive in such a spar.  He who dwelleth in the secret place of the Most High shall abide in the shadow of the almighty... Roll Eyes
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Reply #33 - Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:42pm
 
A landmark study by a major university today found the Law of Gravity is selectively enforced and that the heaviest burden tended to fall on members of disadvantaged and oppressed socio-economic groups.

Professor Omar Amabo, Chief Community Organizer and Chair of the Victimology Department at the University of East Angrya recently concluded the decades-long study and revealed the results at a national press conference today. They showed that while it is true that members of disadvantaged socio-economic groups tended to have heavier body weights than priviledged groups, this was not due to bad eating habits and lack of exercise as previously thought but rather a systematic and coordinated over-zealous selective enforcement of gravitational statutes.


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Reply #34 - Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:58pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:04pm:
Uncle Meat wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 5:32pm:
... wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 5:01pm:
  I want to know what it is that makes lefties so superior to righties.


Egalitarianism and rationality, for starters.





"Egalitarianism and rationality, for starters."



Socialists, lefties, are about 'do-gooding',    .......to 'me', 'me', 'me'.

They are thieves.

They embrace a philosophy of thievery.

They want to steal from those who create and produce goods and ideas, and give that real wealth to the unworthy and to the lazy, for no other reason than to 'feed' their profligate consumption.

IMO, lefties wouldn't know what the ideals of egalitarianism, or rationality were, if it bit them on the ar$e.



Dictionary;
profligate = = recklessly extravagant or wasteful.  licentious; dissolute.



Yadda, the 'irrational', 'red-neck'






Yadda the supposed "christian".

ha ha ha ha.


His christ was a socialist do gooder
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Reply #35 - Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:01pm
 
darkhall67 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:58pm:
Yadda wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:04pm:
Uncle Meat wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 5:32pm:
... wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 5:01pm:
  I want to know what it is that makes lefties so superior to righties.


Egalitarianism and rationality, for starters.





"Egalitarianism and rationality, for starters."



Socialists, lefties, are about 'do-gooding',    .......to 'me', 'me', 'me'.

They are thieves.

They embrace a philosophy of thievery.

They want to steal from those who create and produce goods and ideas, and give that real wealth to the unworthy and to the lazy, for no other reason than to 'feed' their profligate consumption.

IMO, lefties wouldn't know what the ideals of egalitarianism, or rationality were, if it bit them on the ar$e.



Dictionary;
profligate = = recklessly extravagant or wasteful.  licentious; dissolute.



Yadda, the 'irrational', 'red-neck'






Yadda the supposed "christian".

ha ha ha ha.


His christ was a socialist do gooder

and your Christ is the rightard man of sin, the seed of the serpent.... Roll Eyes
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Reply #36 - Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:02pm
 
I have no "christ".


I'm an intelligent , educated and well read young man living in the 21st century.
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Reply #37 - Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:06pm
 
darkhall67 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:02pm:
I have no "christ".


I'm an intelligent , educated and well read young man living in the 21st century.

and yet you fail to comprehend when I speak to you in mysteries and riddles yet you claim to be intelligent?   Cool
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Reply #38 - Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:10pm
 
corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:06pm:
darkhall67 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:02pm:
I have no "christ".


I'm an intelligent , educated and well read young man living in the 21st century.

and yet you fail to comprehend when I speak to you in mysteries and riddles yet you claim to be intelligent?   Cool




I comprehend that you have a christ complex.

Speaking in riddles?


Why didnt you use the "speaking in parables" line?
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Reply #39 - Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:15pm
 
"In my last piece here, I commented on the growing body of research suggesting that the difference between liberals and conservatives is not merely ideological in nature. Rather, it seems more deeply rooted in psychology and the brain -- with ideology itself emerging as a kind of by-product of fundamentally different patterns of perceiving and responding to the world that spill over into many aspects of life, not just the political.

To back this up, I listed seven published studies showing a consistent set of physiological, brain, and "attentional" differences between liberals and conservatives. Later on my blog, I listed no less than eleven studies showing genetic differences as well.

Last month, yet another scientific paper on this subject came out -- from the National Science Foundation-supported political physiology laboratory at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. The work, published in Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B (free version here), goes further still in helping us understand how biological and physiological differences between liberals and conservatives may lead to very different patterns of political behavior.

As the new research suggests, conservatism is largely a defensive ideology -- and therefore, much more appealing to people who go through life sensitive and highly attuned to aversive or threatening aspects of their environments. By contrast, liberalism can be thought of as an exploratory ideology -- much more appealing to people who go through life trying things out and seeking the new.

All of this is reflected, in a measurable way, in the physiological responses that liberals and conservatives show to emotionally evocative but otherwise entirely apolitical images -- and also to images of politicians, either on their own side or from across the aisle.

To show as much, the Nebraska-Lincoln researchers had liberals and conservatives look at varying combinations of images that were meant to excite different emotions. There were images that caused fear and disgust -- a spider crawling on a person's face, maggots in an open wound -- but also images that made you feel happy: a smiling child, a bunny rabbit. The researchers also mixed in images of liberal and conservative politicians -- Bill and Hillary Clinton, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush.

While they did all of this, the scientists measured the subjects' "skin conductance" -- the moistening of their sweat glands, an indication of sympathetic nervous system arousal -- as well as where their eyes went first and how long they stayed there.

The difference was striking: Conservatives showed much stronger skin responses to negative images, compared with the positive ones. Liberals showed the opposite. And when the scientists turned to studying eye gaze or "attentional" patterns, they found that conservatives looked much more quickly at negative or threatening images, and spent more time fixating on them. Liberals, in contrast, were less quickly drawn to negative images -- and spent more time looking at positive ones.

Similar things have been found before -- but the big breakthrough in the new study was showing that these tendencies carried over perfectly to the different sides' responses to images of politicians. Conservatives had stronger rapid fire physiological responses to images of Bill and Hillary Clinton -- apparently perceiving them much as they perceive a threat. By contrast, liberals showed stronger responses to the same two politicians, apparently perceiving them much as they perceive an appetitive or positive stimulus.

As the authors concluded, "The aversive in life is more physiologically and cognitively tangible to some people and they tend to gravitate to the political right."

What does this mean?

To my mind, it means it is high time to grapple with a fact that we like to conveniently ignore: the left and the right are deeply asymmetrical actors in our politics. If we could acknowledge this, it might explain an awful lot.

For instance, consider a few observations that seem to take on new resonance in light of the latest research:

The Tea Party hates President Obama much more intensely than liberals love him. Or to state things less judgmentally, there is an "intensity gap," as the Pew Research Center puts it, between the right's political base and that of the left.

As of last May, for instance, 84 percent of staunch conservatives strongly disapproved of Obama's job performance, but only 64 percent of solid liberals approved of it. Meanwhile, 70 percent of staunch conservatives viewed Obama very unfavorably, but only 45 percent of solid liberals had very favorable views of him.

What's going on here? To conservatives, the new research implies, President Obama may literally be an aversive and threatening stimuli (or, perhaps, a disgust-evoking one). They fixate on him, and respond to him, physiologically, in a defensive fashion.

For liberals, in contrast, Obama was surely once very appealing, perhaps circa 2008, and excited positive and appetitive emotions. But they've since grown bored or disillusioned with him and gone on to sample many other things in the environment -- like Occupy Wall Street -- always exploring and searching for the new. (All of which, incidentally, may translate into a very serious electoral disadvantage this fall.)

Conservatives opt for Fox News much more strongly than liberals opt for any single outlet. In a 2007 "selective exposure" study by Stanford researcher Shanto Iyengar, it was found Republicans overwhelmingly chose to read fake articles labeled with the "Fox News" logo, but chose a story running under a CNN or NPR logo just 10 percent of the time. By contrast,  Democrats in the study didn't like Fox, but also didn't show a strong affinity for a particular alternative news source -- they seemed to sample information sources more widely.

What's going on here? One possibility is that in a political environment filled with perceived threats, Fox helps conservatives feel secure by giving them ideologically consistent and reassuring information. Alternatively, perhaps Fox's constant negative framing of liberals, and of other news sources, appeals to or even excites conservatives, whipping them up for political battle.

Either way, liberals just don't seem to need an outlet like Fox. Again, they're busy chasing after the new and different -- out exploring, rather than hunkering down.
The big question lying behind all this, of course, is why some people would have stronger and quicker responses than others to that which is perceived as negative and threatening (and disgusting). Or alternatively, why some people -- liberals -- would be less threat aversive than others. For as the University of Nebraska-Lincoln researchers note: "given the compelling evolutionary logic for organisms to be overly sensitive to aversive stimuli, it may be that those on the political left are more out of step with adaptive behaviors."

And thus are we drawn to the only context in which we can make any sense of any of this -- the understanding that we human primates evolved. As such, these rapid-fire responses to aversive stimuli are something we share with other animals -- a core part of our life-saving biological wiring.

And apparently, they differ in strength and intensity from person to person -- in turn triggering political differences in modern democracies. Who knew?

For now, I'll leave it to others to speculate on the root causes of these differences. But whatever those may be, the perceptual gap between left and right certainly seems less than "adaptive" at the present moment. It may be the fault of biology that we're now misfiring so very badly -- clashing in ways that, as with the debt ceiling fiasco, could have gravely harmed everybody in America, regardless of their particular ideology.

The Nebraska-Lincoln scientists interpret their results as a powerful argument in favor of greater political tolerance and understanding -- and I agree with them. Politics isn't war, and it isn't zero sum. It requires negotiation and compromise. Surely our public debates should be guided by something more than threat responses and fight-or-flight.

So how do we get beyond our political biology? Well, the implication for liberals seems obvious: If they want to fare better politically, they need to learn to go against their instincts and stay focused and committed.

And the lesson for conservatives? Well, here it is tougher. You see, first we'd have to get them to accept something they often view as aversive and threatening: The theory of evolution."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-mooney/want-to-understand-republ_b_1262542.h...
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Reply #40 - Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:15pm
 
darkhall67 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:10pm:
corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:06pm:
darkhall67 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 11:02pm:
I have no "christ".


I'm an intelligent , educated and well read young man living in the 21st century.

and yet you fail to comprehend when I speak to you in mysteries and riddles yet you claim to be intelligent?   Cool




I comprehend that you have a christ complex.

Speaking in riddles?


Why didnt you use the "speaking in parables" line?

speaking in parables is uttering mysteries that are hidden from dull linear minds such as your own that have been unenlightened by the Temple of the living god. Roll Eyes Cheesy Shocked
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Reply #41 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 12:00am
 
darkhall67 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:58pm:

Yadda the supposed "christian".

ha ha ha ha.


His christ was a socialist do gooder






darkhall67, the 'rational' egalitarian ?

ha ha ha ha.





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Matthew 25:14
For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
15  And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
16  Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17  And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18  But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
19  After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20  And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21  His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22  He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23  His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24  Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25  And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26  His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27  Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28  Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29  For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30  And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8  For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
9  And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.


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Reply #42 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 12:07am
 
Rational?

Yes.




And I dont believe your evil god is worthy of worship even if he wasnt a figment of your imagination.


An evil evil evil fictional character.
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Reply #43 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 12:09am
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 12:00am:
darkhall67 wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 10:58pm:

Yadda the supposed "christian".

ha ha ha ha.


His christ was a socialist do gooder






darkhall67, the 'rational' egalitarian ?

ha ha ha ha.





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Matthew 25:14
For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
15  And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
16  Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17  And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18  But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
19  After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20  And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21  His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22  He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23  His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24  Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25  And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26  His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27  Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28  Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29  For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30  And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8  For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
9  And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.



You are as dull and linear minded in your senses as darkhall67 because you can copy and paste, but you cannot speak the mysteries you have copied and pasted as if it came from the very core of your own being - a living word - the words are just second hand to you, quoting the knowledge of another and not your own.... Cool
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Reply #44 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 12:15am
 
darkhall67 wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 12:07am:
Rational?

Yes.




And I dont believe your evil god is worthy of worship even if he wasnt a figment of your imagination.


An evil evil evil fictional character.

The god of my mind is not evil... Angry - he is sovereign and Lord!
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