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Re: leftist ideology in a nutshell
Reply #60 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:53am

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gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 4:48pm:

Can't argue against that, Honky.

I wouldn't argue against that either, Honky.......mostly because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever...

You wish it didn't.

Oh I agree that it IS the 'ideology'...it's just it's pretty much semantically null...It uses lots of words, to say basically nothing...

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Re: leftist ideology in a nutshell
Reply #61 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 11:04am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

... wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 4:48pm:

Can't argue against that, Honky.

I wouldn't argue against that either, Honky.......mostly because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever...

You wish it didn't.

Oh I agree that it IS the 'ideology'...it's just it's pretty much semantically null...It uses lots of words, to say basically nothing...

OK, well here's the abridged version:

Egalitariansim/marxism/todays left is bullshit.

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Re: leftist ideology in a nutshell
Reply #62 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 11:11am

... wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

... wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 4:48pm:

Can't argue against that, Honky.

I wouldn't argue against that either, Honky.......mostly because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever...

You wish it didn't.

Oh I agree that it IS the 'ideology'...it's just it's pretty much semantically null...It uses lots of words, to say basically nothing...

OK, well here's the abridged version:

Egalitariansim/marxism/todays left is bullshit.

I think nothing you have to say makes any sense. Cool

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Re: leftist ideology in a nutshell
Reply #63 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 11:15am

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

... wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

... wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 4:48pm:

Can't argue against that, Honky.

I wouldn't argue against that either, Honky.......mostly because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever...

You wish it didn't.

Oh I agree that it IS the 'ideology'...it's just it's pretty much semantically null...It uses lots of words, to say basically nothing...

OK, well here's the abridged version:

Egalitariansim/marxism/todays left is bullshit.

I think nothing you have to say makes any sense. Cool

hahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

ahhhh from you of all people.

Grin

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Re: leftist ideology in a nutshell
Reply #64 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 11:16am

... wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 11:15am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

... wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 11:04am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

... wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 4:48pm:

Can't argue against that, Honky.

I wouldn't argue against that either, Honky.......mostly because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever...

You wish it didn't.

Oh I agree that it IS the 'ideology'...it's just it's pretty much semantically null...It uses lots of words, to say basically nothing...

OK, well here's the abridged version:

Egalitariansim/marxism/todays left is bullshit.

I think nothing you have to say makes any sense. Cool

hahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

ahhhh from you of all people.

Grin

You are mind numbingly stupid and uneducated. Cool

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Re: leftist ideology in a nutshell
Reply #67 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 11:44am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

... wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 4:48pm:

Can't argue against that, Honky.

I wouldn't argue against that either, Honky.......mostly because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever...

You wish it didn't.

Oh I agree that it IS the 'ideology'...it's just it's pretty much semantically null...It uses lots of words, to say basically nothing...

True, but just for fun, let's unpack it.

"The order of things" is a structuralist term. Foucault wrote a book called the Order of Things - his pivotal structuralist work before he moved onto the connection between language and power: what is often called "post" structuralism.

Structuralism is not a war on anything. It's a school of thought that arose from anthropology. It merely seeks to decode the underlying structure within language, culture and meaning.

How can you declare a war on systems of representation?

Against "the structure of the world that presently exists?" By definition, you can't.

I have no idea what Honky's been reading, but I'm not sure that he gets it.

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Re: leftist ideology in a nutshell
Reply #68 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 11:48am

Karnal wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 11:44am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:53am:

... wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 4:48pm:

Can't argue against that, Honky.

I wouldn't argue against that either, Honky.......mostly because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever...

You wish it didn't.

Oh I agree that it IS the 'ideology'...it's just it's pretty much semantically null...It uses lots of words, to say basically nothing...

True, but just for fun, let's unpack it.

"The order of things" is a structuralist term. Foucault wrote a book called the Order of Things - his pivotal structuralist work before he moved onto the connection between language and power: what is often called "post" structuralism.

Structuralism is not a war on anything. It's a school of thought that arose from anthropology. It merely seeks to decode the underlying structure within language, culture and meaning.

How can you declare a war on systems of representation?

Against "the structure of the world that presently exists?" By definition, you can't.

I have no idea what Honky's been reading, but I'm not sure that he gets it.

I think you're 'unpacking' the wrong bag. I thought gizmo was talking about the other thread, the one I linked to. Or maybe he wasn't.

Still, you can't 'declare war on prices' but retailers regularly claim to, and you know excatly what they mean.
When you seek to undermine traditional instituitons - marriage, the family, race, gender etc etc etc and replace them with a 'one-size fits all ' approach which reduces individuals to blank slates, you could be said to delcare war on them, even though you're not actually firing guns.

Don't be a facetious prick all your life. Try having a thought of your own rather than foucault this and derrida that. It might be beyond you, but it won't hurt to try.

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Re: leftist ideology in a nutshell
Reply #69 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 11:55am

Why don't you apply yourself to your original proposition?

I think you're confusing "the structure of the world that presently exists" with conservatism. Structuralism itself is quite a conservative school of thought.

Many conservatives have been seeking to change the structure that presently exists for ages. What's your point?

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Reply #70 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 12:01pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 11:55am:

Why don't you apply yourself to your original proposition?

I think you're confusing "the structure of the world that presently exists" with conservatism. Structuralism itself is quite a conservative school of thought.

Many conservatives have been seeking to change the structure that presently exists for ages. What's your point?

My point is you are nothing more than a drone.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what youre saying. I can't speaka your langwich - I'm a real person and as such, I don't speak academic wank.

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Re: leftist ideology in a nutshell
Reply #71 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 12:10pm

... wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 12:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 11:55am:

Why don't you apply yourself to your original proposition?

I think you're confusing "the structure of the world that presently exists" with conservatism. Structuralism itself is quite a conservative school of thought.

Many conservatives have been seeking to change the structure that presently exists for ages. What's your point?

My point is you are nothing more than a drone.

I'm sorry I can't speaka your langwich - I'm a real person and as such, I don't speak academic wank.

I'm not sure about speaking the langwich - have you read your original post?

I agree with you though. I don't think you understand it. And this makes it hard for you to get the responses you keep asking for.

Perhaps you could make a more user-friendly argument to respond to. I.e, a nutshell.

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Reply #72 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 12:16pm

Fine, I'll play your tiresome, inane game for now.

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A declaration of war against the order of things which exist, against the state of things which exist, in a word, against the structure of the world which presently exists”.

paraphrased (by honky) to:

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progressives seek to undermine the existing structures upon which our society was built.

What's my point? The point is the undermining is indiscriminate. Undermining the good as well as the bad. Progressives don't know what they are fighting against.

Everyone else understood it - it's pretty dam simple, but we can always count on karnal the klown to play dumb.

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Re: leftist ideology in a nutshell
Reply #73 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 12:38pm

... wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 12:16pm:

Fine, I'll play your tiresome, inane game for now.

Quote:

A declaration of war against the order of things which exist, against the state of things which exist, in a word, against the structure of the world which presently exists”.

paraphrased (by honky) to:

Quote:

progressives seek to undermine the existing structures upon which our society was built.

What's my point? The point is the undermining is indiscriminate. Undermining the good as well as the bad. Progressives don't know what they are fighting against.

Everyone else understood it - it's pretty dam simple, but we can always count on karnal the klown to play dumb.

No one ever really knows what they are fighting against. If they did, they probably wouldn't fight. I understand what you're getting at, but I don't think you've thought it through too clearly.

After all, the entire purpose of your thread is to pick a fight with these people call you call progressives. You've picked the broadest target you could find.

Your undermining is completely indiscriminate.

Perhaps you could specify which structures the progressives seek to undermine.

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Re: leftist ideology in a nutshell
Reply #74 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 1:05pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 12:38pm:

... wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 12:16pm:

Fine, I'll play your tiresome, inane game for now.

Quote:

A declaration of war against the order of things which exist, against the state of things which exist, in a word, against the structure of the world which presently exists”.

paraphrased (by honky) to:

Quote:

progressives seek to undermine the existing structures upon which our society was built.

What's my point? The point is the undermining is indiscriminate. Undermining the good as well as the bad. Progressives don't know what they are fighting against.

Everyone else understood it - it's pretty dam simple, but we can always count on karnal the klown to play dumb.

No one ever really knows what they are fighting against. If they did, they probably wouldn't fight. I understand what you're getting at, but I don't think you've thought it through too clearly.

After all, the entire purpose of your thread is to pick a fight with these people call you call progressives. You've picked the broadest target you could find.

Your undermining is completely indiscriminate.

Perhaps you could specify which structures the progressives seek to undermine.

See post #68.

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