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Reply #75 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 1:51pm
 
... wrote on Feb 9th, 2012 at 4:58pm:
So is there any specific thing about 'the order of things' that you hate, and feel the burning need to dismantle?  What would you replace the "order that exists" with?

Seems a bit like change for the sake of it otherwise.


what about the freedom and democracy in Iraq ??

been there for a holiday lately Cheesy LOL
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Reply #76 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 2:22pm
 
Honky, the institutions you mention have been called to question as a result of social change. This comes about through technological change, which always follows some form of social shift - usually the result of crisis. These things always influence each other.

The printing press, for example, saw in the reformation, the scientific revolution, the Enlightenment and the French Revolution, but these would not have happened without the need for Bibles.

The pill precipitated a huge shift in social values: marriage, the sexual revolution, two child families, and feminism. But the pill would not have been marketed (and probably invented) without the need for workers during WWII and the subsequent participation of women in the workforce in the post-war boom.

Your enemy is a straw man. He exists, but only in response to change itself. Conservatism as a philosophy also has responses to change. This is what social and political ideas are: responses to change.

The current two streams, liberalism and conservatism, came about with the Whigs and Tories after a revolution, a Restoration, and an industrial revolution.

Does it really matter what brand of reaction you attach yourself to? The fruits of Fascism and Stalinism were eirily similar. Both, as we know, borrowed heavily from each other. If Hitler had won the war, he would have seen a similar shift in power to the fall of the Iron Curtain in the 1980s/90s.

This is because power responds to the way information is distributed. The medium is the message. The Soviets could not supress the fundamental technological - but also ontological - shifts that occurred in the global economy.

And neither could many in the so-called free world. This is why you're complaining about "progressives". You find social change, and the collapse of social norms that has occurred since the 1970s, difficult to come to terms with. You blame the erosion of the institutions you mention on "progressives." The Stalinists would have blamed it on "counter-revolutionaries".

Take your pick.

Social change is complicated. It is never the result of one thing, but involves many interdependant factors: knowledge, power, and the way these are distributed in an economy.

I'm not sure if I've given you the response you were after. I can't defend "progressives" or "leftists" or whatever you call them because I don't really know who they are. I certainly wouldn't fight against the way things are - what would be the point of that?

Things are what they are. You can fight or surf. The real fight, Honky, is within.

Take it or leave it.
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Reply #77 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 2:44pm
 
Karnal, there's a difference between unintended change through technological developments and direct political action which intends to change.
New technology is usually created and introduced for reasons of efficiency. That's the primary aim. This efficiency may have unintended consequences on say family structures which causes a shift in their arrangement. Feminism, on the other hand, was a direct attempt to change the structure of the family.
I am sure you're trying to muddy the waters here.
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Reply #78 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 3:07pm
 
The direction of change is not an accident, or a naturally occurring phenomenon.
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Reply #79 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 3:14pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 2:44pm:
Karnal, there's a difference between unintended change through technological developments and direct political action which intends to change.
New technology is usually created and introduced for reasons of efficiency. That's the primary aim. This efficiency may have unintended consequences on say family structures which causes a shift in their arrangement. Feminism, on the other hand, was a direct attempt to change the structure of the family.
I am sure you're trying to muddy the waters here.


Rats. Foiled again.

Which family structure do feminists want, BD?
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Reply #80 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 3:15pm
 
... wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 3:07pm:
The direction of change is not an accident, or a naturally occurring phenomenon. 


Yes, I'm sure Corporate Whitey would agree with you.
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Reply #81 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 3:19pm
 
What are you trying to say karnal?

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Reply #82 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 3:42pm
 
I'm saying the direction of change is entirely an accident.

If Hitler had won the war, we'd be Nazis. Or else.

Seeing we got liberal democracy, we're Whigs and Tories.
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Reply #83 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 3:55pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 3:42pm:
I'm saying the direction of change is entirely an accident.

If Hitler had won the war, we'd be Nazis. Or else.

Seeing we got liberal democracy, we're Whigs and Tories.



LOL.

It's just a coincidence that almost every western tradition is being undermined by 'progressive' ie marxist thought?   

Gender roles that stood for a billion years 'naturally' became a 'social construct' almost overnight?

The institutuion of marriage, tens of thousands of years old 'naturally' was called into question?

Heritage/race that helped us to identify ourselves since tribal days 'naturally' became meaningless?  (to whites only)

Western countries, the premeinent power on the globe, started replacing the very people who built those societies with people who can hardly build shitbrick huts?

Honkies (and only honkies) 'naturally' decided to reduce themselves to a minority in their own homelands?

Bitch please. 
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Reply #84 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 4:08pm
 
I'm wrong. Hitler didn't lose the war at all.
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Reply #85 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 4:35pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 4:08pm:
I'm wrong. Hitler didn't lose the war at all.



Ideas never die, they just get rebadged and recycled.

What do you think happened to all the marxists?  They all saw the error of their ways and recanted? 
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Reply #86 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 4:36pm
 
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What do you think happened to all the marxists?


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Reply #87 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 4:54pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 2:22pm:
Honky, the institutions you mention have been called to question as a result of social change. This comes about through technological change, which always follows some form of social shift - usually the result of crisis. These things always influence each other.

The printing press, for example, saw in the reformation, the scientific revolution, the Enlightenment and the French Revolution, but these would not have happened without the need for Bibles.

The pill precipitated a huge shift in social values: marriage, the sexual revolution, two child families, and feminism. But the pill would not have been marketed (and probably invented) without the need for workers during WWII and the subsequent participation of women in the workforce in the post-war boom.

Your enemy is a straw man. He exists, but only in response to change itself. Conservatism as a philosophy also has responses to change. This is what social and political ideas are: responses to change.

The current two streams, liberalism and conservatism, came about with the Whigs and Tories after a revolution, a Restoration, and an industrial revolution.

Does it really matter what brand of reaction you attach yourself to? The fruits of Fascism and Stalinism were eirily similar. Both, as we know, borrowed heavily from each other. If Hitler had won the war, he would have seen a similar shift in power to the fall of the Iron Curtain in the 1980s/90s.

This is because power responds to the way information is distributed. The medium is the message. The Soviets could not supress the fundamental technological - but also ontological - shifts that occurred in the global economy.

And neither could many in the so-called free world. This is why you're complaining about "progressives". You find social change, and the collapse of social norms that has occurred since the 1970s, difficult to come to terms with. You blame the erosion of the institutions you mention on "progressives." The Stalinists would have blamed it on "counter-revolutionaries".

Take your pick.

Social change is complicated. It is never the result of one thing, but involves many interdependant factors: knowledge, power, and the way these are distributed in an economy.

I'm not sure if I've given you the response you were after. I can't defend "progressives" or "leftists" or whatever you call them because I don't really know who they are. I certainly wouldn't fight against the way things are - what would be the point of that?

Things are what they are. You can fight or surf. The real fight, Honky, is within.

Take it or leave it.


Tommy tank, as always. Bob Brown don't surf, to coin a phrase.

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Reply #88 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 4:59pm
 
... wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 3:55pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 10th, 2012 at 3:42pm:
I'm saying the direction of change is entirely an accident.

If Hitler had won the war, we'd be Nazis. Or else.

Seeing we got liberal democracy, we're Whigs and Tories.



LOL.

It's just a coincidence that almost every western tradition is being undermined by 'progressive' ie marxist thought?   

Gender roles that stood for a billion years 'naturally' became a 'social construct' almost overnight?

The institutuion of marriage, tens of thousands of years old 'naturally' was called into question?

Heritage/race that helped us to identify ourselves since tribal days 'naturally' became meaningless?  (to whites only)

Western countries, the premeinent power on the globe, started replacing the very people who built those societies with people who can hardly build shitbrick huts?

Honkies (and only honkies) 'naturally' decided to reduce themselves to a minority in their own homelands?

Bitch please. 

If western culture is in decline - its solely because of bigoted political/corporate parasites like you and the rest of the social engineering political class and their genius economic theories.. Cool
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Reply #89 - Feb 10th, 2012 at 5:07pm
 
Hitler was the Greatest enemy of Western Civilization who ever lived. Cool

The Government and the Church is the Greatest Enemy of western civilization that has ever existed.  Cool

The aristocracy is te greatest enemy of western civilization that has ever existed. Cool

Greed is the greatest enemy of western civilization that has ever existed.  Cool

The Royal Family is the greatest enemy of western civilization that has ever existed. Cool

Racism is the greatest enemy of western civilization that has ever existed. Cool

Social Darwinism and other forms of ideological extremism is the greatest enemy of western civilization. Cool

Take your pick - which of these if not all are you guilty of? Cool
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