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Reply #120 - Mar 16^th, 2012 at 7:18am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 3:36pm:

So how would you guys act if you were a Palestinian?
Seriously..
If it were your country that got stolen, living under endless oppression and hate.
Would you want to fight back?
Would you be angry or upset, if not for yourself but for your people, culture, family, friends and pride.

I expect some stupid response,
But the fact is every single person on this planet regardless of race, religion or culture would react exactly the same when in their position.

Not a stupid response, just a historical fact which you continually fail to grasp.
It really doesn't matter how many times you actually repetitively parrot the same line, the historical fact remains as always that there has never been a country called Palestine.
Never.
It has never formed, nor has it been recognised.
They had there chance after WW2, and the Arab League destroyed it.
And your dreaming if you think the Arab League came with tanks and troops in 1948 to set up a 'Palestine', when Trans Jordan was the land already allocated for this purpose.
The Arabs took Trans Jordan for themselves which is why Jordan's population today is 60% Palestinian.
And this is where their 'home' is.
Unfortunately for the Palestinians, there having a bit of bother getting across the Jordanian frontier as the Jordanians no longer recognise dual Palestinian/Jordanian passports.
And the Israeli's today have had a gutful of giving concessions, when all they get in return is an exploding Grad rocket.

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Re: The Israel Lobby
Reply #121 - Mar 16^th, 2012 at 7:23am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 4:16pm:

But Yadda the Jews are from the area that is now Georgia, so what right do they have to the land?
And I hardly see what a fictional book has to do with anything.

Of course you don't see.
I got that.
You are correct in that a fictional book has nothing to do with it.
Billions of people however believe otherwise of the Bible, and good luck to them.
As for Georgia, David was King of Israel 3000 years ago.
Jewish armies fought Rome in three battles in the First century AD.
But there were no Jews in Georgia 3000 years ago.

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Reply #122 - Mar 16^th, 2012 at 7:30am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 9:39pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 9:14pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

This is not correct, we stealed no land.
Is God given land to Jewish peoples,, as you can see we has given the Gaza and Judea to Palestinians,

We do not need to have do this but we is peaceful peoples and is now to the Arabs what they wants,,

You know if we decides we can wipe all from the land with Israeli military,,

When you take something from someone it is called stealing.
God could not have given you the land because he does not exist, you are referring to a fictional character in a fictional book which has no place in reality.

Israel will get whats coming to it eventually mate.

The Brits and the UN gave Israel to the Jews. It was in their power to do it. It was not for the Palestinians or the Muslim Arbs to give it or not to give it.

That is why it wasn't 'stolen'

And the brits stole it so it wasn’t theirs to give.
The UN is an illegitimate and corrupt organization so I don’t see what bearing it has here.Regardless of who owns the land it doesn’t give people the right to come in and commit genocide on the people living there does it.

So what about the Turks?
Was there occupation of the land for over 600 years illegitimate?
Illegitimate to who?
You?
The UN was formed from the League of Nations.
It is not illegitimate.
You are an anarchist, and nothing more.

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Re: The Israel Lobby
Reply #123 - Mar 16^th, 2012 at 7:36am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 9:37pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 6:31pm:

You is in Australia born yes,, so then I do not says to you that is not aussie person.

So I be in Tel Aviv born and then you say to me is not my homeland,,

So is australia not homeland for you,, see if crazy thing to say.

You know I want peace with Palestinians but understand if they continue to attacks us with rockets then we Israeli must turn all Gaza towns into fire,,

We can wipe them all from the land if they threatens us,, they must know that you can not attack Israel and be not face fire in the return.

For it is Eretz O'Israel,,

I agree that we stole the land also and I am greatly sad for what my people did.

Here, have a hanky. Cry

But your not feeling guilty and sad enough though to hand over your home to the first dark coloured park people though eh, and you move out on to the street?
Because it's not too late you know.

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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: The Israel Lobby Reply #124 - Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:24am So chicken are you saying it is ok for a nation to kill all their tourists because they are not from there?
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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: The Israel Lobby Reply #125 - Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:35am "Oh children of Israel go forth and take this land, because I am the LORD and I have made it so. This land shall belong to the children of Abraham and of Isaac, hear me now for this day forth" Exodus
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Reply #126 - Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:38am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:35am:

"Oh children of Israel go forth and take this land, because I am the LORD and I have made it so. This land shall belong to the children of Abraham and of Isaac, hear me now for this day forth"

Exodus

See Israel is the perfect example of when seemingly normal people follow religious scripture, end up becoming religious fanatics (terrorists) and end up as a completely psychopathic, selfish and dangerous people.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 105405 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The Israel Lobby Reply #127 - Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:38am Avram - you must be a stooge planted here. Not even Jews believe that sh1t
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chicken_lipsforme Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7090 Townsville NQ Gender:	Re: The Israel Lobby Reply #128 - Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:41am bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:24am: So chicken are you saying it is ok for a nation to kill all their tourists because they are not from there? Which nation has killed all their tourists? I've never mentioned tourists.
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Reply #129 - Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:44am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

Avram - you must be a stooge planted here.

Not even Jews believe that sh1t

You might be surprised Bobby.
The Jews ties to the Holy Land runs deeper than in any Westerners ties to their historical homeland, and there is plenty of available information and documentation which shows this.

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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: The Israel Lobby Reply #130 - Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:50am chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:41am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:24am: So chicken are you saying it is ok for a nation to kill all their tourists because they are not from there? Which nation has killed all their tourists? I've never mentioned tourists. It’s an analogy.
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Re: The Israel Lobby
Reply #131 - Mar 16^th, 2012 at 10:09am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:44am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

Avram - you must be a stooge planted here.

Not even Jews believe that sh1t

You might be surprised Bobby.
The Jews ties to the Holy Land runs deeper than in any Westerners ties to their historical homeland, and there is plenty of available information and documentation which shows this.

Yeah right - cause god said. Grin

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Re: The Israel Lobby
Reply #132 - Mar 16^th, 2012 at 10:17am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 10:09am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:44am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

Avram - you must be a stooge planted here.

Not even Jews believe that sh1t

You might be surprised Bobby.
The Jews ties to the Holy Land runs deeper than in any Westerners ties to their historical homeland, and there is plenty of available information and documentation which shows this.

Yeah right - cause god said. Grin

No, because that's what they believe.

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Re: The Israel Lobby
Reply #133 - Mar 16^th, 2012 at 10:19am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 10:09am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:44am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

Avram - you must be a stooge planted here.

Not even Jews believe that sh1t

You might be surprised Bobby.
The Jews ties to the Holy Land runs deeper than in any Westerners ties to their historical homeland, and there is plenty of available information and documentation which shows this.

Yeah right - cause god said. Grin

No, because that's what they believe.

The believe it cause their parents said

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Re: The Israel Lobby
Reply #134 - Mar 16^th, 2012 at 10:33am

My parents fights the Arabs in 1960 decade when we has been attacked unprovockation,,

You remember this yes or no,,

1967 before I am born must they fight in army to keep Israel for Jewish people,,

Yom Kippur attacks,, you also must know this,

So yes my parents tells me my brothers and sister that Israel is belong to us and we too proud to defend for always,
We has travel for studies me to australia and my sister to New York but we comes back why because Tel Aviv is our home,,

Tell me you can not see in the hebrew bibles and the torah that is our land,,

I say on here since I joined up that my wish is for peace,, I keep this comments

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