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Reply #165 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 11:26am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 11:03pm:

Look at history book.

It is not we who attacks other nations and invades,,

Many times in 20. century it is the Arabs who invades Israel.

We is no threat.

Threat is from Muslims

What? Arabs attacked Israel? After Israelis went to all the bother of invading and occupying Arab lands, and murdering and expelling Arab civilians.

http://www.deiryassin.org/mas.html

Selling weapons to apartheid South Africa is all kosher then?
Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons

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Reply #166 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 11:41am

falah wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 11:26am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 11:03pm:

Look at history book.

It is not we who attacks other nations and invades,,

Many times in 20. century it is the Arabs who invades Israel.

We is no threat.

Threat is from Muslims

What? Arabs attacked Israel? After Israelis went to all the bother of invading and occupying Arab lands, and murdering and expelling Arab civilians.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PaG-oRPFduY/TiweYiztuXI/AAAAAAAAAAM/1NAXPONTmdc/s1600/...

http://www.deiryassin.org/mas.html

Selling weapons to apartheid South Africa is all kosher then?
Did they sell any weapons Falah?

Your propaganda map is flawed.

Gaza was controlled by Egypt, they lost it to Israel in the 1967 six day war.
Israel gave gaza back,your map ignores history to present propaganda.

The west bank was controlled by Jordan who lost it to Israel in the 1967 six day war.

If you want to use maps for propaganda at least make them accurate or people might call bullshit.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105408 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The Israel Lobby Reply #167 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 12:26pm Quote: Selling weapons to apartheid South Africa is all kosher then? Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons That was a good read.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The Israel Lobby Reply #168 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 3:05pm Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 8:54am: Soren, Quote: Every single one is an example of response to sustained provocation and attacks. Your words are just spin - how about- naked aggression against peace loving neighbours? Peace loving neighbours? Who?
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Reply #169 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 3:22pm

Soren wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 3:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 8:54am:

Soren,
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Every single one is an example of response to sustained provocation and attacks.

Your words are just spin - how about-

naked aggression against peace loving neighbours?

Peace loving neighbours? Who?

Pakistan. It is a nation of peace for all.

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Reply #170 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 3:37pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 3:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 8:54am:

Soren,
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Every single one is an example of response to sustained provocation and attacks.

Your words are just spin - how about-

naked aggression against peace loving neighbours?

Peace loving neighbours? Who?

Pakistan. It is a nation of peace for all.

Yeah, well, apart from Pakistan...

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Reply #171 - Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:47pm

Soren wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 3:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 8:54am:

Soren,
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Every single one is an example of response to sustained provocation and attacks.

Your words are just spin - how about-

naked aggression against peace loving neighbours?

Peace loving neighbours? Who?

Soren,
Just look at the highlighted names.

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The Sinai War (1956) [Also known as the Suez War]--The invasion and temporary conquest of Egypt's Sinai Peninsula by Israel, while France and Great Britain seized the Suez Canal.

The Six-Day War (1967)--In a rapid pre-emptive attack, Israel crushed the military forces of Egypt, Jordan and Syria and seized large amounts of land from each. Iraq also participated in the fighting on the Arab side.

Israeli Invasion of Lebanon (1978)--Operation Litani was the official name of Israel's 1978 invasion of Lebanon up to the Litani river.

The Osirak Raid (1981)--An Israeli air attack on Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor.

The Israeli Invasion of Lebanon (1982-1984)--

The Israeli Occupation of South Lebanon (1984-2000)--

2006)--In response to repeated guerrilla attacks by the the Shiite Lebanese militia Hezbollah, Israel invaded southern Lebanon, set up a naval blockade, and launched a powerful bombing campaign in order to win the release of two captured Israeli soldiers.

Threat of an Israeli-Iran War--Scenarios for a possible Israeli attack on Iran, or an Iranian attack on Israel. Emphasis on the nuclear threat from Iran.

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21786 A cat with a view	Re: The Israel Lobby Reply #172 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 2:35am Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 3:27pm: Chicken, Quote: And they have fought to survive since 1948, and don't you worry about Grandma. She already knows how to use an Uzi sub-machine gun and throw a grenade, and has already used it in combat. I'd be scared of a grandma like that - Be afraid bobby, be very afraid!!!
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Reply #173 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 2:47am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 9:40am:

Sorry Avram but I dont think anyone believes that Israel is peacefull

I do.

p.s.
Allah hates moslems.

That is why Israel still exists.

Allah only wants moslems to die for him.

If it was Allah's will that Israel should be destroyed, he woulda allowed the moslem armies to do the job, in 1948, or 1967, or 1973, or 2006.

ISLAMISTS who want to destroy Israel = = SLOW LEARNERS !!!!! Tongue

"Hey!!!!!! Get with the program, already!!!! I AM, is not going to allow you moslems to destroy Israel."

- Allah

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #174 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:39am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 4:47pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 3:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 8:54am:

Soren,
Quote:

Every single one is an example of response to sustained provocation and attacks.

Your words are just spin - how about-

naked aggression against peace loving neighbours?

Peace loving neighbours? Who?

Soren,
Just look at the highlighted names.

Quote:

The Sinai War (1956) [Also known as the Suez War]--The invasion and temporary conquest of Egypt's Sinai Peninsula by Israel, while France and Great Britain seized the Suez Canal.

The Six-Day War (1967)--In a rapid pre-emptive attack, Israel crushed the military forces of Egypt, Jordan and Syria and seized large amounts of land from each. Iraq also participated in the fighting on the Arab side.

Israeli Invasion of Lebanon (1978)--Operation Litani was the official name of Israel's 1978 invasion of Lebanon up to the Litani river.

The Osirak Raid (1981)--An Israeli air attack on Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor.

The Israeli Invasion of Lebanon (1982-1984)--

The Israeli Occupation of South Lebanon (1984-2000)--

2006)--In response to repeated guerrilla attacks by the the Shiite Lebanese militia Hezbollah, Israel invaded southern Lebanon, set up a naval blockade, and launched a powerful bombing campaign in order to win the release of two captured Israeli soldiers.

Threat of an Israeli-Iran War--Scenarios for a possible Israeli attack on Iran, or an Iranian attack on Israel. Emphasis on the nuclear threat from Iran.

Yeah, I have looked at the highlighted names. They are the countries from which attacks on Israle have been carried out.

Everything regarding Lebanon is about the Army of Allah (hezb'allah), as in "In response to repeated guerrilla attacks".

Gaza has been completely judenfrei since 2005. Have the attacks from Gaza stop? No. They intensified.
Shurely shome mishtake.
But no. No mistake. There will be no end to the attacks on Israel by the Muslims because its right to exist is not accepted by the Muslims.

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Reply #175 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:52am

Soren wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:39am:

There will be no end to the attacks on Israel by the Muslims because its right to exist is not accepted by the Muslims.

As much as I am pro-Israel (as I believe anyone of European descent should be), I believe the idea that a state has a "right to exist" is laughable.

Does independent Kurdistan have a "right to exist"? How about a Basque territory? Tibet (as an independent state)? If so, then why do they not exist as independent states?

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Reply #176 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:59am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:52am:

Soren wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:39am:

There will be no end to the attacks on Israel by the Muslims because its right to exist is not accepted by the Muslims.

As much as I am pro-Israel (as I believe anyone of European descent should be), I believe the idea that a state has a "right to exist" is laughable.

Does independent Kurdistan have a "right to exist"? How about a Basque territory? Tibet (as an independent state)? If so, then why do they not exist as independent states?

It has the right to exist in so far as it is a sovereign UN member state, recognised as such in international law.

Kurdistan is not a country, nor is Palestine, nor Tamil Tiger Country, nor West Papua etc, etc. A right to self determination/independence is a differnt argument although obviously it intersects with sovereignty.

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Reply #177 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:00am

Soren wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:59am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:52am:

Soren wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:39am:

There will be no end to the attacks on Israel by the Muslims because its right to exist is not accepted by the Muslims.

As much as I am pro-Israel (as I believe anyone of European descent should be), I believe the idea that a state has a "right to exist" is laughable.

Does independent Kurdistan have a "right to exist"? How about a Basque territory? Tibet (as an independent state)? If so, then why do they not exist as independent states?

It has the right to exist in so far as it is a sovereign UN member state, recognised as such in international law.

Tibet?

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Reply #178 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:07am

Israelis we believe that it is our home land and we live in peace as neighbour.
Is so like you peoples when you come out of Sydney and Melbourne,,
I am same for tel aviv,,

So if some body attack aus you too fight back like we,,

You see we gives to them land then what has happened, they has use the landto fire rocket grads in to Israel ,,

What this do is to show to moderate Israeli like me is not so good idea and support strong politicians,

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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: The Israel Lobby Reply #179 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:11am when did the UN give you this land of palestine id Avram Horowitz namaste
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