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Mar 7th, 2012 at 11:27am
 
The Absurdity of US/Israeli Relations


“We are you, and you are us,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu arrogantly proclaimed to President Barack Obama in the White House recently.

How is it possible that Israel, a tiny country with only eight million people, can have so much influence over the foreign policy of the most powerful empire of all-time?  Yet Israel played a major role in shaping the war on terror against Islam, the war with Afghanistan, two wars with Iraq, and the annihilation of Libya by NATO.  And now Israel is aggressively doing everything within its power to provoke a war between the United States and Iran – a war which could quite easily precipitate World War III.  That’s a lot!

The $3 billion in annual economic and military aid which the United States officially provides Israel enables it to engage in continuous acts of terrorism, genocide, and ethnic cleansing against its Palestinian neighbors whose land was stolen by Israel at its inception back in 1948.  This process of Israeli expansion into Palestinian occupied territory continues unabated.  The Obama administration pretends to be opposed to further Israeli encroachment into Palestinian lands, but obviously couldn’t care less.

The moral justification for all of this can be traced to the Holocaust.  Because six million Jews were killed by the Nazis in World War II, Jews are entitled to their own country within what was once the Biblical Holy Land.  Never mind the fact that the land happened to be occupied by Palestinians.  For similar reasons, Jews are also entitled to revenge against anyone or any government which challenges the moral authority of Israel.  According to Israeli writer Gilad Atzmon in his provocative book entitled The Wandering Who?, this way of thinking has given rise to a new Jewish religion grounded in revenge, which he calls the “Holocaust religion.”  In the name of Jewish suffering, the Holocaust religion “issues licenses to kill, to flatten, to nuke, to annihilate, to loot, to ethnically cleanse.  It has made vengeance into an acceptable Western value.”  According to Holocaust theology a nuclear attack against Iran by either Israel or the United States would be morally justifiable, since Iran has challenged Israel’s right to exist.  “Israel has the right to defend itself.”

Because Americans were slow to respond to the horrors of the Holocaust, they are expected to do penance.  The U.S. government is obliged to provide Israel with unconditional economic and military support.  It must veto all U.N. Security Council resolutions deemed to be critical of Israel and boycott all international conferences which might embarrass Israel.

Israel expects the United States to treat it as its only true ally in the Middle East.  The so-called Arab-Israeli peace process is a complete sham, since the United States always sides with Israel.

In return for the unconditional support which the United States extends to Israel, Israel is encouraged to destabilize the Middle East so as to justify American intervention in the region enabling it to hegemonize the supply of oil.  It’s all a very cozy relationship.

The Israeli military machine is free to invade any country in the Middle East of its choosing and can expect the full support of the Pentagon, no questions asked.  Israel is the only country in the Middle East which has the right to possess nuclear weapons.  Any other country in the region which aspires to membership in the elite club will be demonized and treated as a terrorist state.

Few Americans are aware of the role Israel played in derailing détente in 1974 and prolonging the Cold War unnecessarily for at least fifteen years by accusing the Soviet Union of discrimination against Soviet Jews who wanted to leave.  The charges were a complete fabrication.  The vast majority of Soviet citizens allowed to emigrate to the West between 1968 and 1989 were, in fact, Jews.  By portraying itself as both a victim of communism and America’s only true non-communist friend in the Middle East, Israel extracted billions of dollars from the United States to finance its never ending war with the Palestinians.  This strategy also helped deflect public opinion away from Israel’s own human rights abuses.

All of this is made possible by the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), our nation’s most powerful political lobbying organization. Anyone who has the audacity to challenge America’s foreign policy towards Israel is by definition an anti-Semite and can expect to receive the full wrath of the Israeli Lobby and become the target of a disinformation campaign. Candidates for Congress who are not openly pro-Israel will fall victim to a negative media blitz which virtually assures political defeat.

Nothing better illustrates the power of AIPAC than the invitation by Columbia University to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to speak on the campus on September 24, 2007.  Rather than withdrawing the invitation in response to the political firestorm created by the Israeli Lobby, Columbia’s President Lee Bollinger opted personally to introduce Ahmadinejad.  His introduction took the form of a highly inflammatory, arrogant, insulting diatribe against the University’s guest – all to appease AIPAC and its constituents.  As a graduate of Columbia University, I was overcome by a sense of shame as a result of Bollinger’s demagogic behavior.  He reminded me of white racist politicians such as George W. Wallace and Ross Barnett in the South in the 1960s.  The rage against Iran expressed by Republican Presidential candidates Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, and Rick Santorum is more of the same.

Since President Ahmadinejad is one of only a handful of surviving political leaders in the world who has ever stood up against Israel and the United States, he must not only be demonized but eventually taken out.  Indeed, there is no more important test of one’s Americanism than one’s stand against Iran and its president.

In the eyes of the United States, Iran has been persona non grata since Iranian revolutionaries seized the U.S. Embassy on November 4, 1979.  Few Americans recall that in 1953 when the Eisenhower administration disapproved of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh, the CIA removed him from office, had him placed under house arrest, and installed Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi as head of state.  Most Americans have also forgotten that Ronald Reagan collaborated with his buddy Saddam Hussein to destroy Iran.  All the while Reagan had arranged for the Israelis to sell weapons to the Iranians to finance the Contras in Nicaragua whose aim was to overthrow the duly elected Sandinista government.  Such financial aid had been specifically banned by the U.S. Congress.  Is there any wonder that the Iranian government is not particularly fond of the United States?

Although American politicians like to quote the Founding Fathers, no admonition has ever been more systematically ignored than President George Washington’s warning in his 1796 farewell address, about the inherent dangers of blindly siding with one nation, “a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of ills.”

The U.S.-Israeli relationship gets right to the very essence of what the American Empire is all about.  The United States and Israel are the two foremost technofascist nations in the world.  That’s why there is such a close symbiotic relationship between the two war mongering nations. The answer to the question, “Who controls whom?” remains in doubt.  But as we previously noted, Israel is nevertheless useful to the United States, even though it pulls our string.

About Israel, Human Scale author Kirkpatrick Sale once said, “The original idea of a Jewish state was a mistake, and to establish it in an Islamic Middle East essentially by force and with the immiseration of millions of natives was a tragic mistake.  We are reaping the awful results of that error today.”  Continuing he said, “It is not so easy to know what to do to undo that mistake, but I would argue that a world that can make a state can unmake it.”

Because the compliant American media marches in lockstep to the beat of the AIPAC drum, no change in the U.S. – Israeli relationship is expected anytime soon.

The only way to stop Israeli terrorism is for the U.S. to discontinue all economic and military aid to Israel.  Only then will the fighting cease.  But this will never happen so long as the Empire remains intact.  So strong are the ties between Israel and the United States that only the dissolution of the Union itself could put an end to the relationship.

If there is any hope for Israel and Palestine, it lies in some form of Swiss federalism.  The crux of the Swiss Confederation is a loosely defined three-dimensional matrix consisting of 26 cantons, 4 cultures, and 7 major departments of the federal government.  One could envision Gaza, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights as Palestinian cantons which cooperate with Israel, the State which surrounds two of them.

Nothing good can ever come from the confluence of American military might and the lust for revenge of Israel.

Thomas H. Naylor is Founder of the Second Vermont Republic and Professor Emeritus of Economics at Duke University; co-author of Affluenza, Downsizing the U.S.A., and The Search for Meaning.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/03/06/the-absurdity-of-usisraeli-relations/
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Reply #1 - Mar 7th, 2012 at 11:39am
 
Israel is the democratic friend of the United States in the region.

Of that there is no doubt.

They demand and deserve our full support - and they get it.

I am perfectly comfortable with that.

Until the Arabs behave better, there will always be a preference to support our Israeli friends.
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Reply #2 - Mar 7th, 2012 at 12:09pm
 
Another left wing site reference full of left wing tripe and historical revisionism.
'Palestinian land'?
It was Jordanian, it was Egyptian land in 1967.
Say no more.
At least this one doesn't deny the holocaust.
If these wankers think Israel is going to sit pat whilst Iran obtains nuclear weapons to have the 5th go at wiping Israel off the map, they are mistaken.
Ethnic cleansing?
What a croc of shite.
The last census in Gaza saw the population growing steadily, and Hamas carried out the census.
What sort of ethnic cleansing is it where the population grows?
All those colour photos on UTube of flash shopping malls filled with smiling chubby Palestinians and 5 star restaurants in Gaza isn't helping the ethnic cleansing story at all now eh.
And all those non existent photos never once supplied by left wing NGO's doesn't help the cause either.
Bring out the emaciated bodies we cry.
Where are they?
Now real ethnic cleansing is what happened in Europe from 1941 - 1945.
And real ethnic cleansing is what would have happened in Israel in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973 if the Arab league had there way.
If Israel laid down their weapons tomorrow, the Jews would be massacred.
If the Muslim extremists laid down their weapons tomorrow, their would be peace.
This isn't about land, it's about killing Jews.
"The Israeli military machine is free to invade any country in the Middle East of its choosing and can expect the full support of the Pentagon".
What a choice statement, with no facts whatsoever.
If this were so the tanks would have kept rolling past the West Bank and also past Gaza into Egypt all those years ago instead of stopping where they did.
Do these wankers honestly expect Israel to accept thousands of acts of terrorism perpetrated against it every day of the week by extremist scum such as Hezbollah and Hamas without Israel defending itself?
And do these extremist groups honestly believe blowing up schoolbuses and launching missiles into Israeli towns filled with woman and children is an act of defence?
It's terrorism, pure and simple.
And Iran sponsors these terrorist maggots and has made no secret whatsoever about there intentions where Israel is concerned.
Time to wake up Falah.
Your batting for the wrong team.
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Reply #3 - Mar 8th, 2012 at 7:01am
 
Israel and America need each other, two evil forces are better than one.
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Reply #4 - Mar 8th, 2012 at 8:51am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 7:01am:
Israel and America need each other, two evil forces are better than one.


You forgot the other 'evil' force, Australia.
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Reply #5 - Mar 8th, 2012 at 9:23am
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 8:51am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 7:01am:
Israel and America need each other, two evil forces are better than one.


You forgot the other 'evil' force, Australia.

We are the pawns while they are the king and queen
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Reply #6 - Mar 8th, 2012 at 10:26am
 
Smiley  Smiley  Smiley

our friends!!
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Reply #7 - Mar 8th, 2012 at 10:28am
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 10:26am:
Smiley  Smiley  Smiley

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Hows it going Andrei?
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Reply #8 - Mar 8th, 2012 at 11:16am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 7:01am:
Israel and America need each other, two evil forces are better than one.



If they're evil , who are the good guys?
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... wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 11:16am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 7:01am:
Israel and America need each other, two evil forces are better than one.



If they're evil , who are the good guys?


My guess is that they do not have nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.
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Reply #10 - Mar 8th, 2012 at 3:35pm
 
falah wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 3:33pm:
... wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 11:16am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 7:01am:
Israel and America need each other, two evil forces are better than one.



If they're evil , who are the good guys?


My guess is that they do not have nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.



But that doesn't answer the question - who are the good guys?
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Reply #11 - Mar 8th, 2012 at 7:55pm
 
They're all humans wesley, there are no good guys. Find me a government and I'll find you corruption, but there are a lot less evil than the yanks and the jews. It's not about good and bad, more like evil and less evil. Everyone knew that Gadaffi was a bad guy, but the guys in power now(AlQueada) are making him look increasingly good.i
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Reply #12 - Mar 8th, 2012 at 8:45pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 7:55pm:
They're all humans wesley, there are no good guys. Find me a government and I'll find you corruption, but there are a lot less evil than the yanks and the jews. It's not about good and bad, more like evil and less evil. Everyone knew that Gadaffi was a bad guy, but the guys in power now(AlQueada) are making him look increasingly good.




So if we're all evil, why does it matter who's top dog, or who's killing whom?
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Reply #13 - Mar 8th, 2012 at 9:42pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 7:55pm:
They're all humans wesley, there are no good guys. Find me a government and I'll find you corruption, but there are a lot less evil than the yanks and the jews. It's not about good and bad, more like evil and less evil. Everyone knew that Gadaffi was a bad guy, but the guys in power now(AlQueada) are making him look increasingly good.


Spoken like a true leftist: "there's only evil and less evil."

So why go on living?
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Reply #14 - Mar 8th, 2012 at 9:47pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 7:55pm:
They're all humans wesley, there are no good guys. Find me a government and I'll find you corruption, but there are a lot less evil than the yanks and the jews. It's not about good and bad, more like evil and less evil. Everyone knew that Gadaffi was a bad guy, but the guys in power now(AlQueada) are making him look increasingly good.



Pantywaist, you have a No Censorship avatar - but your every instinct and every utterance run towards control, censorship, curtailment, subversion and political thuggery and bullying, all in the name of greater freedom. But freedom is precisely what you want to buffer against.

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